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[mjd24]

We do have controlled migration you half wits.

The vast majority of immigrants entering the country in 2024 did so on work and study visas.

Do you lot live on X/Twitter and just get radicalised all day by the bile and lies on there?

[milly]

Ignoring my questions

Playing the emotional card

Scapegoating foreigners

I wont engage with you anymore Millie.

It saddens me that you speak for a seemingly increasing demographic who have been led to believe that foreign people/“illegals” are to blame for everything wrong in society and that if we could just stop them all would be ok.

Much like if we could just get out of the EU all would be ok.

Now its the ECHR isnt it?

X/Twitter, GB news, Daily Mail, Express, Telegraph, Facebook . . . its really no surprise so many fall for the nonsense but its still deeply depressing.

I tell you what is depressing mate and that’s the fact that you can’t get to see a doctor at your local GP surgery or a dental clinic and the ever increasing NHS waiting lists.

Add to that the housing crisis and suppression of wages for “lower skilled jobs”

But to blame immigrants is just an easy answer to a complex question. Its so easy for Farage et al to point their fingers at immagrants when the reality is that there is no strong evidence that immigration is the cause of these problems.

More likely reasons include our ageing population, staff shortages, underfunding, Covid.

Immigrants actually tend to contribute far more than they take and use fewer health services.

Many nhs staff are immigrants themselves, and we would be in a worse situation without them.

Every country including the UK needs immigration but we must have controlled immigration and not mass immigration and open borders.

And that is what we have, bar a relatively small amount of people who arrive by small boat.


And the net migration figures just released show it HALVED from 2023 to 2024.


HALVED.

Yet hardly anything is mentioned of this by Farage et al because their form of politics thrives on the ability to point at “others” (usually dark skinned immigrants) and suggest they are to blame for your problems.

Halved according to the UK's current biggest liar, Two Tier Keir, who'd give that other degenerate liar Boris Johnson a run for his money.
It's you that's obsessed with race, according to you immigrants, of which the vast majority are low paid, somehow make the UK money, as the don't use any resources, such as the NHS, Schools, roads and housing etc.
I am seeing absolutely no evidence of this being true, in fact the opposite is happening.

[mjd24]

Dude its literally facts and figures im talking about, the numbers and official studies are all out there.

[Walter sobchak]

We do have controlled migration you half wits.

The vast majority of immigrants entering the country in 2024 did so on work and study visas.

Do you lot live on X/Twitter and just get radicalised all day by the bile and lies on there?

What’s the number?

[Walter sobchak]

Dude its literally facts and figures im talking about, the numbers and official studies are all out there.

What’s the number?

[mjd24]

Number of what?

[Walter sobchak]

Number of what?

Net migration.

[mjd24]

431’000.

Small boat arrivals 37’000.

So the “uncontrolled” number is almost insignificant.

Do you understand what im saying? Tories and Labour realise that we need a certain number of immigrants to come in and help with things like our care system and the nhs.

Maybe 431’000 net migration is too high, but the fact its halved vs 2023 doesbt really get mentioned.

Even when ive pointed it out on here, the responses are basically “oh well 431’000 is too much”.

Ok fine, but surely youre happy its dropped by 50%?

And the worrying thing for Starmer is that even if he got net migration to zero (which would be stupid), his critics would not suddenly be satisfied, the next craving would be for deportations.

Im off to watch Clarksons Farm

[Walter sobchak]

431’000.

Small boat arrivals 37’000.

So the “uncontrolled” number is almost insignificant.

Do you understand what im saying? Tories and Labour realise that we need a certain number of immigrants to come in and help with things like our care system and the nhs.

Maybe 431’000 net migration is too high, but the fact its halved vs 2023 doesbt really get mentioned.

Even when ive pointed it out on here, the responses are basically “oh well 431’000 is too much”.

Ok fine, but surely youre happy its dropped by 50%?

And the worrying thing for Starmer is that even if he got net migration to zero (which would be stupid), his critics would not suddenly be satisfied, the next craving would be for deportations.

Im off to watch Clarksons Farm

So that’s 431k on top of the millions already here from the past decade.

The UK’s infrastructure can’t cope with this amount of mass immigration numbers.

We need to get the number down to the low 10’s of thousands as well as deporting the millions that came before in the past decade.

[Jefferson Starfish]

431’000.

Small boat arrivals 37’000.

So the “uncontrolled” number is almost insignificant.

Do you understand what im saying? Tories and Labour realise that we need a certain number of immigrants to come in and help with things like our care system and the nhs.

Maybe 431’000 net migration is too high, but the fact its halved vs 2023 doesbt really get mentioned.

Even when ive pointed it out on here, the responses are basically “oh well 431’000 is too much”.

Ok fine, but surely youre happy its dropped by 50%?

And the worrying thing for Starmer is that even if he got net migration to zero (which would be stupid), his critics would not suddenly be satisfied, the next craving would be for deportations.

Im off to watch Clarksons Farm

Some people are only interested in their own agenda's

[milly]

431’000.

Small boat arrivals 37’000.

So the “uncontrolled” number is almost insignificant.

Do you understand what im saying? Tories and Labour realise that we need a certain number of immigrants to come in and help with things like our care system and the nhs.

Maybe 431’000 net migration is too high, but the fact its halved vs 2023 doesbt really get mentioned.

Even when ive pointed it out on here, the responses are basically “oh well 431’000 is too much”.

Ok fine, but surely youre happy its dropped by 50%?

And the worrying thing for Starmer is that even if he got net migration to zero (which would be stupid), his critics would not suddenly be satisfied, the next craving would be for deportations.

Im off to watch Clarksons Farm

Some people are only interested in their own agenda's

Nah, people are interested why this Country is going down the toilet.

[borders]

This is from the Guardian today .....Capitalism at work….whilst workers are squeezed and OAPs and disabled are targeted the elites lap it up so they really are laughing all the way to the bank…. There are many reasons why this Country is in Decline , this was a massive burden , just read the last 3 paragraphs...... yet some people on here are fixated ....


Fred “the Shred” Goodwin, the disgraced ex-boss of Royal Bank of Scotland, is estimated to be receiving an annual pension worth nearly £600,000, as the government prepares to declare a £10bn loss after selling its final stake in the bank as early as this week.

The banking group, now known as NatWest, is expected to return to full private ownership within days, drawing a line under a £45bn state bailout that saved the bank from the brink of collapse at the height of the 2008 financial crisis.

The 17-year effort to off-load the government’s 84% stake in the lender has come at a substantial cost to the public purse, with the government expected to fall short of recouping its financial support.
By the time of the bailout, Goodwin had expanded RBS into 50 countries and grown its assets to £2.2tn – more than double the size of the UK economy that year. Had the government failed to step in, shock waves from the bank’s implosion in 2008 could have led to a systemic collapse in the wider economy.

The government was concerned that its failure could wipe out the savings of everyday customers, and prompt panic about the health of other lenders across the UK, creating a domino effect of failures across the industry.

The bank’s eventual emergency rescue made Goodwin – now 66 years old – a lightning rod for public anger over the cost of bank bailouts, which led to years of government austerity that many blame for hollowing out public services across the country.
NatWest’s current chair, Rick Haythornthwaite, said last month the bank was indebted to the public for keeping the lender afloat.

“We remain incredibly grateful to the government, and to UK taxpayers, for their intervention and support, which protected millions of savers, homeowners and businesses at a time of global crisis,” he said at the bank’s AGM in Edinburgh.

[Walter sobchak]

431’000.

Small boat arrivals 37’000.

So the “uncontrolled” number is almost insignificant.

Do you understand what im saying? Tories and Labour realise that we need a certain number of immigrants to come in and help with things like our care system and the nhs.

Maybe 431’000 net migration is too high, but the fact its halved vs 2023 doesbt really get mentioned.

Even when ive pointed it out on here, the responses are basically “oh well 431’000 is too much”.

Ok fine, but surely youre happy its dropped by 50%?

And the worrying thing for Starmer is that even if he got net migration to zero (which would be stupid), his critics would not suddenly be satisfied, the next craving would be for deportations.

Im off to watch Clarksons Farm

Some people are only interested in their own agenda's

Nah, people are interested why this Country is going down the toilet.

This 100%

Im 45 years old and I’ve never known a time like what we are currently living through now and this includes the thatcher years of miners strikes, poll tax and privatisation etc as well as the economic downturns and recession of the early 90’s and financial crash 2008 as well as Covid self inflicted economic crisis.

Something is definitely not right with the country and the current direction of travel and more and more people are getting angry about it and demanding change.

[milly]

This is from the Guardian today .....Capitalism at work….whilst workers are squeezed and OAPs and disabled are targeted the elites lap it up so they really are laughing all the way to the bank…. There are many reasons why this Country is in Decline , this was a massive burden , just read the last 3 paragraphs...... yet some people on here are fixated ....


Fred “the Shred” Goodwin, the disgraced ex-boss of Royal Bank of Scotland, is estimated to be receiving an annual pension worth nearly £600,000, as the government prepares to declare a £10bn loss after selling its final stake in the bank as early as this week.

The banking group, now known as NatWest, is expected to return to full private ownership within days, drawing a line under a £45bn state bailout that saved the bank from the brink of collapse at the height of the 2008 financial crisis.

The 17-year effort to off-load the government’s 84% stake in the lender has come at a substantial cost to the public purse, with the government expected to fall short of recouping its financial support.
By the time of the bailout, Goodwin had expanded RBS into 50 countries and grown its assets to £2.2tn – more than double the size of the UK economy that year. Had the government failed to step in, shock waves from the bank’s implosion in 2008 could have led to a systemic collapse in the wider economy.

The government was concerned that its failure could wipe out the savings of everyday customers, and prompt panic about the health of other lenders across the UK, creating a domino effect of failures across the industry.

The bank’s eventual emergency rescue made Goodwin – now 66 years old – a lightning rod for public anger over the cost of bank bailouts, which led to years of government austerity that many blame for hollowing out public services across the country.
NatWest’s current chair, Rick Haythornthwaite, said last month the bank was indebted to the public for keeping the lender afloat.

“We remain incredibly grateful to the government, and to UK taxpayers, for their intervention and support, which protected millions of savers, homeowners and businesses at a time of global crisis,” he said at the bank’s AGM in Edinburgh.

That's not Capitalism, the Bankers should've been jailed.
Western Governments Socialised the losses and privatise the gains.

[borders]

This is from the Guardian today .....Capitalism at work….whilst workers are squeezed and OAPs and disabled are targeted the elites lap it up so they really are laughing all the way to the bank…. There are many reasons why this Country is in Decline , this was a massive burden , just read the last 3 paragraphs...... yet some people on here are fixated ....


Fred “the Shred” Goodwin, the disgraced ex-boss of Royal Bank of Scotland, is estimated to be receiving an annual pension worth nearly £600,000, as the government prepares to declare a £10bn loss after selling its final stake in the bank as early as this week.

The banking group, now known as NatWest, is expected to return to full private ownership within days, drawing a line under a £45bn state bailout that saved the bank from the brink of collapse at the height of the 2008 financial crisis.

The 17-year effort to off-load the government’s 84% stake in the lender has come at a substantial cost to the public purse, with the government expected to fall short of recouping its financial support.
By the time of the bailout, Goodwin had expanded RBS into 50 countries and grown its assets to £2.2tn – more than double the size of the UK economy that year. Had the government failed to step in, shock waves from the bank’s implosion in 2008 could have led to a systemic collapse in the wider economy.

The government was concerned that its failure could wipe out the savings of everyday customers, and prompt panic about the health of other lenders across the UK, creating a domino effect of failures across the industry.

The bank’s eventual emergency rescue made Goodwin – now 66 years old – a lightning rod for public anger over the cost of bank bailouts, which led to years of government austerity that many blame for hollowing out public services across the country.
NatWest’s current chair, Rick Haythornthwaite, said last month the bank was indebted to the public for keeping the lender afloat.

“We remain incredibly grateful to the government, and to UK taxpayers, for their intervention and support, which protected millions of savers, homeowners and businesses at a time of global crisis,” he said at the bank’s AGM in Edinburgh.

That's not Capitalism, the Bankers should've been jailed.
Western Governments Socialised the losses and privatise the gains.

It highlights a contradiction between free-market ideology and government intervention in financial markets. You are correct as Capitalism advocates for free markets where businesses succeed or fail based on merit, competition, and risk. However, when governments intervene to rescue failing banks—effectively socializing their losses while allowing private profits to persist—it undermines the principle of market discipline. As the last 3 paragraphs tell us , the extreme cost to us , the Taxpayer has led to years of Government Austerity .