CWU Live at 5pm - Updating You Direct from the National Briefing

[fitz15]

Has the surplus money in the pension scheme been brought up in the negotiations.

[hans solo]

There are 83 thousand OPGs who work in Delivery. There are 8400 who do not drive currently from Royal Mail.

No one who does not drive currently will be forced to.

The Optimised Delivery Model which Ofcom are likely to sanction as the USO reform solution works better with more drivers within a unit but CDVs do not require all drivers and nor do HCT routes.

We are also piloting HCTs doing a combined route being replenished.


The aim is to agree that no one will do more than a maximum of 3 core routes per week. We already know in some pilot units that they rotate on a daily basis between a performing a core routes per week and combined.

The reality is that the USO will change in the summer and that is why it is crucial to secure the right agreement.

Remember the choice is not between the current USO which is simply not financially sustainable according to Ofcom. It is the optimised Delivery Model or a 3 or 4 day USO.

It is easy for some on here to criticise and attack and abuse and remain anonymous. You have no responsibility and in fact are not accountable to anyone.

Myself , Dave and others at least have the courage to face up to members and no members , we don’t hide behind fake names and we don’t abuse individuals.

We attempt to lead and we negotiate on behalf of the members.

What’s more we make real differences to the members individually in cases where individuals are sacked or been targeted and collectively.

Ok mr walsh
How are non drivers without licence going to achieve a 3 day per week core delivery
I currently work p&l with driver
Using lwt averaging 8 30-40 min loops
Never finished early steps 25,000 up yo 35,000 every
day during quiet period
Letters in our office up in volume from last year
And a quiet day average 80 tracked scans on my side of delivery
If the aim or hidden agenda is to get rid of 35 years of service walking man through attrition or surplus to tequirements at least let us know

[SkiSunday]

Letters in our office up in volume up since last year

Unfortunately according to RM and the CWU, letters are only classed as stamped 1st and 2nd class and franked mail. Apparently the other 98% of the pieces of mail we prep, tie-off, then deliver are a mere figment of the imagination and don't count.

[hazzeem025]

We are also piloting HCTs doing a combined route being replenished.

So you expect someone pushing a HCT to walk round two duties?

As others on here have mentioned, I believe the CWU are throwing non drivers under the bus. The 12,000 steps comment from Tony Baulch was it, shows how ridiculously out of touch the CWU are with delivery staff. And then he said it might increase to perhaps 15,000!!! Does he realise how big of a moron he looks with comments like that?

Non drivers are going to be forced out (and the CWU are complicit in it) through fatigue and injury. Which bit of WE CAN ONLY WALK SO MANY MILES A DAY, do the CWU top table not understand? Come on Martin Walsh and co give us an answer!! Would you and Dave Ward do daily what you're asking non drivers to do? Does it not bother you, that people who don't hold driving licences are just going to be collateral damage in your awful scheme.

And yes just come clean about these farcical trials/pilots because we all know that they're coming in on a national level. We and you know that they won't work. The whole thing is designed to fail, on purpose.

The CWU is about to become irrelevant and that's on you.

[SkiSunday]

You have to laugh at how antiquated the CWU are. An absolute clown show, the same as the management structure . Get them all in the bin DK!

[Idk]

I'll say it again

If optimization fails because 2 days mail can't be completed in one day, how does the expect us to deliver 6 days mail 3 days?

It's the same thing....

[qwerty2]

There are 83 thousand OPGs who work in Delivery. There are 8400 who do not drive currently from Royal Mail.

No one who does not drive currently will be forced to.

The Optimised Delivery Model which Ofcom are likely to sanction as the USO reform solution works better with more drivers within a unit but CDVs do not require all drivers and nor do HCT routes.

We are also piloting HCTs doing a combined route being replenished.


The aim is to agree that no one will do more than a maximum of 3 core routes per week. We already know in some pilot units that they rotate on a daily basis between a performing a core routes per week and combined.

The reality is that the USO will change in the summer and that is why it is crucial to secure the right agreement.

Remember the choice is not between the current USO which is simply not financially sustainable according to Ofcom. It is the optimised Delivery Model or a 3 or 4 day USO.

It is easy for some on here to criticise and attack and abuse and remain anonymous. You have no responsibility and in fact are not accountable to anyone.

Myself , Dave and others at least have the courage to face up to members and no members , we don’t hide behind fake names and we don’t abuse individuals.

We attempt to lead and we negotiate on behalf of the members.

What’s more we make real differences to the members individually in cases where individuals are sacked or been targeted and collectively.

Ok mr walsh
How are non drivers without licence going to achieve a 3 day per week core delivery
I currently work p&l with driver
Using lwt averaging 8 30-40 min loops
Never finished early steps 25,000 up yo 35,000 every
day during quiet period
Letters in our office up in volume from last year
And a quiet day average 80 tracked scans on my side of delivery
If the aim or hidden agenda is to get rid of 35 years of service walking man through attrition or surplus to tequirements at least let us know

Our union rep doesn’t drive - bet there’s a few more

[Pidleypoo]

I'll say it again

If optimization fails because 2 days mail can't be completed in one day, how does the expect us to deliver 6 days mail 3 days?

It's the same thing....

And it’s nonsense.

For Royal Mail to go to a 3 or 4 day uso then they’re dropping their revenue massively.

Customers don’t want it and their margins become even smaller.

It’s this year’s administration scare story and the previous years million pound a day.

The losses they make are in part because they do stupid revision after stupid revision or delivery 2.0 or bench merging and none of them work.

We need a method of working and to stick to it so we regain customer confidence and deliver what we’re meant to do in the time frame we should and that brings more business.

There’s a whole layer of management that cost this company millions per year.

Look. At..that.

[Pidleypoo]

Just to add one more thing about non-drivers of which I am one.

We’ve got probably 2 years or so before we’re so knackered that we’d have to leave for our own health.

The union have cast us aside and like someone had already said , why aren’t they honest about it.

[TopperGas]

Just to add one more thing about non-drivers of which I am one.

We’ve got probably 2 years or so before we’re so knackered that we’d have to leave for our own health.

The union have cast us aside and like someone had already said , why aren’t they honest about it.

I'm not really sure the packets drivers are going to have it any easier trying to deliver 200+ items during peak.

Peak will be fun, Monday 30K+ steps, Tuesday 200 Tracked, Weds, 35K+ steps, Thurs, 200 Tracked, Fri, 30K+ steps, Saturday, 200 Tracked,

[tramssirhc]

There are 83 thousand OPGs who work in Delivery. There are 8400 who do not drive currently from Royal Mail.

No one who does not drive currently will be forced to.

The Optimised Delivery Model which Ofcom are likely to sanction as the USO reform solution works better with more drivers within a unit but CDVs do not require all drivers and nor do HCT routes.

We are also piloting HCTs doing a combined route being replenished.

The aim is to agree that no one will do more than a maximum of 3 core routes per week. We already know in some pilot units that they rotate on a daily basis between a performing a core routes per week and combined.

The reality is that the USO will change in the summer and that is why it is crucial to secure the right agreement.

Remember the choice is not between the current USO which is simply not financially sustainable according to Ofcom. It is the optimised Delivery Model or a 3 or 4 day USO.

It is easy for some on here to criticise and attack and abuse and remain anonymous. You have no responsibility and in fact are not accountable to anyone.

Myself , Dave and others at least have the courage to face up to members and no members , we don’t hide behind fake names and we don’t abuse individuals.

We attempt to lead and we negotiate on behalf of the members.

What’s more we make real differences to the members individually in cases where individuals are sacked or been targeted and collectively.

Lets put some of this right.

Workers with contract variations maybe those who have no contractual obligation to perform driving. These are not non drivers.

You have signed an agreement to allow workers with contractual variations to be questioned about their contractual status. That's not defending members.

When you say works better you actually mean cost effective. A real solution is to create singleton duties for workers with contract variations. You wont do that because it's a cost.

Your belief that combined routes are the solution to fatigue demonstrate just how out of touch you are. You couldn't do a combined route so don't tell us we can. It's a kick in the teeth when you then think a combined HCT route is a credible option.

The reality is that the regulator is not fit for purpose and instead of being its mouthpiece its about time you called for OFCOM to be scrapped.

This is a multi billion pound industry which pays it bosses millions. Dont you dare come in here throwing your weight around and then start telling us our jobs are not financially sustainable.

You were elected by a minority vote and are wholly unaccountable to the membership. Dave was reelected unopposed. The executive have a job for life and you can lie and say it's not like that. It is.

Anyone who stands up and challenges you and the CWU is taking responsibility and is being accountable - to the working class. We should be applauded for making a stand. If the CWU functioned properly you would be facing this head on.

The working class does not need leaders and union bosses. You work for us not the other way around.

Your claim to be the defenders of postal workers is not the reality we experience. The CWU lost hundreds of reps in the last dispute.

The leadership got told the truth of it's actions during the two day jamboree in Manchester.

We will continue debating the actions of the CWU here. Being critical is not the disloyal treacherous behaviour you say it is. If you don't like what happens here, move on, don't get involved.

[tramssirhc]

Easy to criticise the union. And also easy to be blind to the real facts of what's happening. It's also easy to argue the changes when the letter industry is wrapping up.

In a different world. Much like the real world the choices would be allot harsher. Non drivers could be easily just be made redundant. Maybe 10 years from now, you folks will be arguing the 2 day letter delivery model. If not just one delivery a week.

Let's just sit back and enjoy this spectacle of the PWRFC misinformation and delusion that everyday, you have a letter for every door.

Today I had only 100 letters for a deep rural walk. Oh and 80 packets. Was done by 12.30.

7 billion letters dont just deliver themselves. It's a multi billion pound industry paying its bosses millions.

[Pidleypoo]

Just to add one more thing about non-drivers of which I am one.

We’ve got probably 2 years or so before we’re so knackered that we’d have to leave for our own health.

The union have cast us aside and like someone had already said , why aren’t they honest about it.

I'm not really sure the packets drivers are going to have it any easier trying to deliver 200+ items during peak.

Peak will be fun, Monday 30K+ steps, Tuesday 200 Tracked, Weds, 35K+ steps, Thurs, 200 Tracked, Fri, 30K+ steps, Saturday, 200 Tracked,

The union seem to think that they will.

I don’t think any of us will.

[Valentina@1]

Walsh is shameless,can’t actually belive he posted that nonsense on here,time has come to stop my subs,30 years of backing this union has come to an end,cant justify supporting this any longer.

Sad times

[tramssirhc]

Walsh is shameless,can’t actually belive he posted that nonsense on here,time has come to stop my subs,30 years of backing this union has come to an end,cant justify supporting this any longer.

Sad times

Your money is the only thing the CWU is interested in.