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SkiSunday
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Re: Pay rise %

Post by SkiSunday »

postslippete wrote:
12 May 2025, 18:08
qwerty2 wrote:
12 May 2025, 16:51

130,000 FT? Sounds too many! Aren’t there more PT than FT?
Anyone know the figures for the whole of RM and just on deliveries?

Firstly, I've assumed that there are 130,000 RM employees based on this

https://www.royalmail.com/sustainabilit ... connected.


And secondly, it is too many full-timers that are employed in RM which is why I emphasised theoretically because a 1% pay increase for a part-timer is not the same as a 1% increase for a full-timer. I was working on the principle of everyone being full-time and how much an overall 1% pay increase would cost and I expected that figure to exceed £50 million.

However, I was wrong and it actually costs the business a lot less than this, so the question then becomes, where did Martin get his figures from and why is a 1% pay increase costing the business £50 million?? When businesses or Unions throw out big numbers like this, they can obviously be framed to appear more or less dramatic depending on their agenda.
Where has Mr Walsh been on here? It's been a wee while I would of expected an update on the trials by now :cuppa
funkflex55
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Re: Pay rise %

Post by funkflex55 »

SkiSunday wrote:
12 May 2025, 18:46
postslippete wrote:
12 May 2025, 18:08
qwerty2 wrote:
12 May 2025, 16:51

130,000 FT? Sounds too many! Aren’t there more PT than FT?
Anyone know the figures for the whole of RM and just on deliveries?

Firstly, I've assumed that there are 130,000 RM employees based on this

https://www.royalmail.com/sustainabilit ... connected.


And secondly, it is too many full-timers that are employed in RM which is why I emphasised theoretically because a 1% pay increase for a part-timer is not the same as a 1% increase for a full-timer. I was working on the principle of everyone being full-time and how much an overall 1% pay increase would cost and I expected that figure to exceed £50 million.

However, I was wrong and it actually costs the business a lot less than this, so the question then becomes, where did Martin get his figures from and why is a 1% pay increase costing the business £50 million?? When businesses or Unions throw out big numbers like this, they can obviously be framed to appear more or less dramatic depending on their agenda.
Where has Mr Walsh been on here? It's been a wee while I would of expected an update on the trials by now :cuppa
Don't worry about the trials. They are going perfectly, we should expect them to be in every office later this year. (Nothing to do with overstaffing of said trials, faking figures or other fun things).
milly
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Re: Pay rise %

Post by milly »

I really can't see us receiving a decent payrise after Rachel from accounts has added over £100 million to the wage bill via her jobs tax.
A significant amount of us are more likely to receive a P45 this financial year rather than a decent payrise.
mjd24
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Re: Pay rise %

Post by mjd24 »

milly wrote:
13 May 2025, 08:46
I really can't see us receiving a decent payrise after Rachel from accounts has added over £100 million to the wage bill via her jobs tax.
A significant amount of us are more likely to receive a P45 this financial year rather than a decent payrise.
Why the Rachel from accounts slur all the time? Seems rather childish to me.
milly
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Re: Pay rise %

Post by milly »

mjd24 wrote:
13 May 2025, 18:03
milly wrote:
13 May 2025, 08:46
I really can't see us receiving a decent payrise after Rachel from accounts has added over £100 million to the wage bill via her jobs tax.
A significant amount of us are more likely to receive a P45 this financial year rather than a decent payrise.
Why the Rachel from accounts slur all the time? Seems rather childish to me.
Grow up!
Politicians are fair game for ridicule, especially one that could very well make us unemployed with her mad economic policies.
Over £100 million added to our wage bill thanks to her jobs tax will have to be clawed back somehow.
TopperGas
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Re: Pay rise %

Post by TopperGas »

milly wrote:
13 May 2025, 18:08
mjd24 wrote:
13 May 2025, 18:03
milly wrote:
13 May 2025, 08:46
I really can't see us receiving a decent payrise after Rachel from accounts has added over £100 million to the wage bill via her jobs tax.
A significant amount of us are more likely to receive a P45 this financial year rather than a decent payrise.
Why the Rachel from accounts slur all the time? Seems rather childish to me.
Grow up!
Politicians are fair game for ridicule, especially one that could very well make us unemployed with her mad economic policies.
Over £100 million added to our wage bill thanks to her jobs tax will have to be clawed back somehow.
But we should all have a better NHS to thank for the extra tax, probably something posties use more than the average worker? RM soon found £500m to give to their shareholders a couple of years ago.
milly
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Re: Pay rise %

Post by milly »

TopperGas wrote:
13 May 2025, 18:18
milly wrote:
13 May 2025, 18:08
mjd24 wrote:
13 May 2025, 18:03
milly wrote:
13 May 2025, 08:46
I really can't see us receiving a decent payrise after Rachel from accounts has added over £100 million to the wage bill via her jobs tax.
A significant amount of us are more likely to receive a P45 this financial year rather than a decent payrise.
Why the Rachel from accounts slur all the time? Seems rather childish to me.
Grow up!
Politicians are fair game for ridicule, especially one that could very well make us unemployed with her mad economic policies.
Over £100 million added to our wage bill thanks to her jobs tax will have to be clawed back somehow.
But we should all have a better NHS to thank for the extra tax, probably something posties use more than the average worker? RM soon found £500m to give to their shareholders a couple of years ago.
Keep dreaming :left:
It won't raise more national insurance as employers are incentivised to cut costs by trying to cut the wage bill or passing on the cost to the customer.
claretandblue
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Re: Pay rise %

Post by claretandblue »

According to the latest figures, companies have been shedding staff even before the extra jobs tax has started.
milly
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Re: Pay rise %

Post by milly »

claretandblue wrote:
13 May 2025, 18:57
According to the latest figures, companies have been shedding staff even before the extra jobs tax has started.
Yep, Labour are truly horrendous.
Rachel from accounts now wants to mandate that Pensions must hold a percentage of their funds in UK private assets.
I wonder if the pension holders can sue the government if the investments go wrong.
postslippete
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Re: Pay rise %

Post by postslippete »

It doesn't need me to write the narrative that whatever pay deal being dressed up will cite increased costs and falling letter volumes for the CWU to try and spin what looks like defeat for many into some sort of realism. They will also mention VR costs - even though these were originally slashed by Thompson two years ago. RM management don't want to reward the long serving legacy employees because they have always been seen as expensive and inflexible. It's nothing personal, just business.

RM wants a workforce that is younger, lower paid, more flexible i.e. willing to so Sundays, LATs etc and that are easier to move around or get rid of. Legacy staff don't fit this model so the long term plan is to phase most of them out without a mass, expensive redundancy program. The real priorities of this company is not about its people who keep the operation running but compliance with financial pressures from the top. And if RM can afford to absorb over £100 million to meet a tax burden then it clearly isn't as cash-starved as it makes out every time the union talks about pay.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
sindba
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Re: Pay rise %

Post by sindba »

milly wrote:
13 May 2025, 18:08
mjd24 wrote:
13 May 2025, 18:03
milly wrote:
13 May 2025, 08:46
I really can't see us receiving a decent payrise after Rachel from accounts has added over £100 million to the wage bill via her jobs tax.
A significant amount of us are more likely to receive a P45 this financial year rather than a decent payrise.
Why the Rachel from accounts slur all the time? Seems rather childish to me.
Grow up!
Politicians are fair game for ridicule, especially one that could very well make us unemployed with her mad economic policies.
Over £100 million added to our wage bill thanks to her jobs tax will have to be clawed back somehow.
If the Tories hadn't destroyed the economy and Farage the frog face facist hadn't dragged us out the EU at the cost of 100 billion per yer, she wouldn't have needed to raise tax
milly
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Joined: 14 Sep 2007, 09:43

Re: Pay rise %

Post by milly »

sindba wrote:
13 May 2025, 21:42
milly wrote:
13 May 2025, 18:08
mjd24 wrote:
13 May 2025, 18:03
milly wrote:
13 May 2025, 08:46
I really can't see us receiving a decent payrise after Rachel from accounts has added over £100 million to the wage bill via her jobs tax.
A significant amount of us are more likely to receive a P45 this financial year rather than a decent payrise.
Why the Rachel from accounts slur all the time? Seems rather childish to me.
Grow up!
Politicians are fair game for ridicule, especially one that could very well make us unemployed with her mad economic policies.
Over £100 million added to our wage bill thanks to her jobs tax will have to be clawed back somehow.
If the Tories hadn't destroyed the economy and Farage the frog face facist hadn't dragged us out the EU at the cost of 100 billion per yer, she wouldn't have needed to raise tax
That's all you've got, blame the other lot :Applause
Labour and the Tories are the same Party.
It's just that Labour will get us to our final destination much quicker.
postslippete
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Re: Pay rise %

Post by postslippete »

As we now seem to going off topic - this was supposed to be about a pay rise - but here are my thoughts politically....

If both Labour and the Tories are failing working people, where does that leave us? People are going to see Reform as the overwhelming solution but to me they have no serious plan to invest in public services beyond slashing immigration and that policy is economically flawed. Do you want me to explain why Milly? The idea that immigration suppresses wages only holds up if bosses use it to undercut - and that's not a migrant problem - it's an employer problem. So if we had stronger enforcement of labour laws, a real living wage and better rights for all workers then you wouldn't see this "race to the bottom". But Reform and these other parties don't support those things, they support deregulation and they blame immigrants instead of regulating exploitative employers. Blaming immigration lets the people who are really responsible (big employers, landlords and politicians) off the hook and they use it as a wedge issue. Now obviously I agree that we should have better controls over immigration but there are also many immigrants working in the NHS and social care so cutting immigration without fixing the main reasons behind it will just create further labour shortages which reduces tax income and this hurts public services more. The economic fix is better investment by taxing wealth and corporate profits, investing in training and increasing staff pay because that is the only way to attract our own people towards these jobs.

I've always voted for the Greens as they are more worker-friendly - they want a wealth tax on the multi-millionaires, they want to re-nationalise Royal Mail, rail, water and energy, they want to cut the working week to 4 days without loss in pay, raise the minimum wage and invest billions to create sustainable jobs and tackle the climate crisis. The only problem is they have very little electoral power and the media largely ignores them but they have the best platform for us working people - 100%.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
milly
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Re: Pay rise %

Post by milly »

postslippete wrote:
14 May 2025, 06:49
As we now seem to going off topic - this was supposed to be about a pay rise - but here are my thoughts politically....

If both Labour and the Tories are failing working people, where does that leave us? People are going to see Reform as the overwhelming solution but to me they have no serious plan to invest in public services beyond slashing immigration and that policy is economically flawed. Do you want me to explain why Milly? The idea that immigration suppresses wages only holds up if bosses use it to undercut - and that's not a migrant problem - it's an employer problem. So if we had stronger enforcement of labour laws, a real living wage and better rights for all workers then you wouldn't see this "race to the bottom". But Reform and these other parties don't support those things, they support deregulation and they blame immigrants instead of regulating exploitative employers. Blaming immigration lets the people who are really responsible (big employers, landlords and politicians) off the hook and they use it as a wedge issue. Now obviously I agree that we should have better controls over immigration but there are also many immigrants working in the NHS and social care so cutting immigration without fixing the main reasons behind it will just create further labour shortages which reduces tax income and this hurts public services more. The economic fix is better investment by taxing wealth and corporate profits, investing in training and increasing staff pay because that is the only way to attract our own people towards these jobs.

I've always voted for the Greens as they are more worker-friendly - they want a wealth tax on the multi-millionaires, they want to re-nationalise Royal Mail, rail, water and energy, they want to cut the working week to 4 days without loss in pay, raise the minimum wage and invest billions to create sustainable jobs and tackle the climate crisis. The only problem is they have very little electoral power and the media largely ignores them but they have the best platform for us working people - 100%.
It's not a difficult concept to understand, an oversupply of labour caused by mass immigration leads to lower wages.
Maybe if you used logic and reason rather than your emotions you'd be able to think more clearly.
Massive rises to the minimum wage plus Rachels job tax are decimating jobs, the only jobs Labour know how to create are jobs in the public sector which in turn raise our taxes making us poorer.
As for the Greens they're actually more insane than Ed Milliband :crazy: .
mjd24
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Re: Pay rise %

Post by mjd24 »

Milly where within that post has he used his emotions? 🤔

You come across far more emotional to me, and always so eager to argue and criticise other people’s often obviously logical posts.

No doubt you will now prove my post totally correct.