Do you still tell your manager when you can't extend?

[Rage24]

It seems so many in our office just bring stuff back and put it straight back in the frame without letting anyone know.

Is this risky?

[Mickeybrowneyes]

It seems so many in our office just bring stuff back and put it straight back in the frame without letting anyone know.

Is this risky?

Yes, managers have to report any failures.

[pieoftheday]

If it is risky, it's risky to 120 posties in our D.O

[A2B]

Yes, managers have to report any failures.

That obviously doesn't happen in the majority of offices

[Mr Rush]

We go through periodic waves of hierarchical breakdown where it becomes unofficially tolerated to bring back cut-offs and then management presumably get a bollocking from above and it becomes absolutely verboten again.

We're in the latter right now where they want a conversation every morning about it - and it has been every morning for two months now. The response to our plan of attack is almost always 'yep, fine' so sometimes when it's blindingly obvious why we can't clear (no day/week off cover) we don't bother saying anything. Hey, Dan, can we split that £40k between us?

[matthew68]

It seems so many in our office just bring stuff back and put it straight back in the frame without letting anyone know.

Is this risky?

Yes, managers have to report any failures.

Well our manager has gone home by 215 so quite a few just bring a couple of bundles back every day, he is none the wiser and failed walks are clearly not getting reported, another cover up

[djhl]

Our office decent managers realise 90% of us are doing our best so most of the time either leave some in frame or bring back, don't know if failures are being reported. Haven't had a conversation for some time as they realise I would need 1.5hours ot to clear

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Still risky. Leave yourself open to being conducted if a particular manager wants to make an example of someone.
if they are not there when you are back and you pre warned them in the morning you just tell them the next morning what you cut off.
If they don't report it correctly and the office gets a random visit from more senior manages it's on them.
If you have haven't told them you leaving work or you cut off it's on you.

[postslippete]

Still risky. Leave yourself open to being conducted if a particular manager wants to make an example of someone.
if they are not there when you are back and you pre warned them in the morning you just tell them the next morning what you cut off.
If they don't report it correctly and the office gets a random visit from more senior manages it's on them.
If you have haven't told them you leaving work or you cut off it's on you.

Because our deliveries are over-sized and managers are responsible for budgets that forces them to have conversations with posties about the daily workloads. Often they don't bother and you have to remind them if you can't extend or need overtime to complete the duty.

Just a quick point Mickey, if you thought you were alright time wise but then later find yourself going over by say half an hour - do they still have to pay the delivery excess? I've had a few occasions in the past when I've been out on delivery with 2 days worth of mail and tried to ring them to let them know I've run out of time and need to bring work back, but they have been unavailable and so I've had no alternative but to claim a bit extra.

[tramssirhc]

The agreement about committing to deliver has not changed. If they don't want to adhere to their side of that agreement that's up to them. The agreements clear - you have the conversation before leaving. The reporting process hasn't changed either. The calls still happen and everything is discussed. The CWU are on those calls and should be making sure the agreement is adhered to. There is no cover up.

Lets be clear. You not carrying out the agreement can get you sacked.

[theotherone]

Depends who you are.
2 people got dismissed for the crime of bringing back 4 letters.
Others have had something called managing the frame, which translates to 'I'm fed up of talking to you everyday do what you want'
People can cut off there own duty but still ghost.
Take it all out for a drive and bring back what you don't complete.
The usual corruptness.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Still risky. Leave yourself open to being conducted if a particular manager wants to make an example of someone.
if they are not there when you are back and you pre warned them in the morning you just tell them the next morning what you cut off.
If they don't report it correctly and the office gets a random visit from more senior manages it's on them.
If you have haven't told them you leaving work or you cut off it's on you.

Because our deliveries are over-sized and managers are responsible for budgets that forces them to have conversations with posties about the daily workloads. Often they don't bother and you have to remind them if you can't extend or need overtime to complete the duty.

Just a quick point Mickey, if you thought you were alright time wise but then later find yourself going over by say half an hour - do they still have to pay the delivery excess? I've had a few occasions in the past when I've been out on delivery with 2 days worth of mail and tried to ring them to let them know I've run out of time and need to bring work back, but they have been unavailable and so I've had no alternative but to claim a bit extra.

Firstly the manager should be reachable within your duty time but I know it's not always the case.
Managers going home early is wrong when people are still delivering within their contractual hours.
Any incident could occur.
I wouldn't say you had no other option but to complete.
In future I would just pre warm on any busy day that you may struggle just to cover your back but in a situation like that where you judged it wrong because of an unexpected workload (double mail) there needs to be a level of understanding from management.
I would just message them explaining you misjudged and had to bring some letters back and have the conversation in the morning.
In terms of having to pay pressure, they should really.
If the walk didn't go out the day before and only the tracks were completed then they should have the budget to pay the pressure as they would have the lapsed hours from earlier in the week.
They are supposed to resourcing to workload, not to savings.

[Patmanposts]

‘Occasionally’ have a discussion in the morning about how much mail i’m going to take out, however, most days i just take what i think i can complete in my contractual hours with no discussion. it’s got to a stage where it’s constantly 2-3 days mail and double packets (non tracked). All the tracked and 99% of the packets will get delivered and 99% of the mail i take will get delivered too so my way of working is practically implied without needing any discussions. I don’t take the piss so maybe a trust element?.

[yubin282]

I usually inform them as soon as I enter the building, before I've signed in.

[postslippete]

Firstly the manager should be reachable within your duty time but I know it's not always the case.
Managers going home early is wrong when people are still delivering within their contractual hours.
Any incident could occur.
I wouldn't say you had no other option but to complete.
In future I would just pre warm on any busy day that you may struggle just to cover your back but in a situation like that where you judged it wrong because of an unexpected workload (double mail) there needs to be a level of understanding from management.
I would just message them explaining you misjudged and had to bring some letters back and have the conversation in the morning.
In terms of having to pay pressure, they should really.
If the walk didn't go out the day before and only the tracks were completed then they should have the budget to pay the pressure as they would have the lapsed hours from earlier in the week.
They are supposed to resourcing to workload, not to savings.

Thanks Mickey

It's also wrong that there isn't someone reachable for those posties who are still delivering outside of their contractual hours as well because incidents or accidents could also occur then. We have someone who works in the callers office then - but what do they do when there's an accident - just shut up shop? I've been informed that there is at least one manager who stays behind for this but last Saturday when I got back all the managers had gone.

From what I've seen a lot of the newer posties are often working past their time on a daily basis. According to one guy I spoke to he said that if he didn't complete he would just be moved around in different sections/different offices/doing LATs in the evenings etc etc and he couldn't be ar$ed to stand their arguing with manager's over what was achievable or not. He said he often agrees to complete and works the overtime but that this manager in question usually never puts his name down on the delivery excess sheet and when he wasn't paid on his monthly pay slip, this manager said that it was "unauthorised"!! I've told him to stop doing any overtime if this is the case and put in a grievance against him. This is the biggest problem in RM when things are agreed verbally. Even if you clocked out late via SISO that overtime might still not be paid if it wasn't "agreed" beforehand apparently.