Clocking out early

[stevejm]

In my delivery office the situation was that the person filling in the Hours on the spreadsheet, that presumably gets sent to the payroll department, has been told to use the exact time you scan out and not any time written down on the recorded hours sheet.

This resulted in me losing 10 mins of OT a day as my OT was taking me over seven hours a day allowing me an additional 10 mins break time than my contracted 30 hour contract normally affords me. Doesn't sound much but it's an hour a week or 4 hours a month.

[TopperGas]

In my delivery office the situation was that the person filling in the Hours on the spreadsheet, that presumably gets sent to the payroll department, has been told to use the exact time you scan out and not any time written down on the recorded hours sheet.

This resulted in me losing 10 mins of OT a day as my OT was taking me over seven hours a day allowing me an additional 10 mins break time than my contracted 30 hour contract normally affords me. Doesn't sound much but it's an hour a week or 4 hours a month.

Why would any business pay somebody 70 mins OT when they are clocking out after 60 mins?

[Londonsburning]

In my delivery office the situation was that the person filling in the Hours on the spreadsheet, that presumably gets sent to the payroll department, has been told to use the exact time you scan out and not any time written down on the recorded hours sheet.

This resulted in me losing 10 mins of OT a day as my OT was taking me over seven hours a day allowing me an additional 10 mins break time than my contracted 30 hour contract normally affords me. Doesn't sound much but it's an hour a week or 4 hours a month.

Why would any business pay somebody 70 mins OT when they are clocking out after 60 mins?

It's the old argument of taking part of your break at the end of your shift. If the local agreement is there, then stevejm is losing out. Apparently some folks on here are clocking out 40 minutes early every single day and nothing is said to them. Which will obviously be flagging up with the SISO data in their DO.

[GRS]

Think the COM can go in and change the times on SISO……so if you’re clocking out 20 minutes early because you take part of your meal relief at the end of the day they can make the necessary adjustments so it doesn’t look like you’ve just finished and cleared off early.

[Jonathan Alsatian]

Doing an afternoon parcel shift in a small DO and the place is deserted by the time you get back because everyone else goes home before 3pm. You really think I should sit there on my own in silence in an empty building waiting for my sign out time? I did the maths and I have earned below the national minimum wage this month. I'll park up in a supermarket carpark next time and take a paid meal break instead of coming back early. If I get conducted I'll ask them why they broke the law paying me less than minimum wage this month.

But I've also had overtime missing in months when I have never left early including working double shifts at Christmas. One occasion I worked until 9pm and was told to be back in by 6am the following morning. Thats illegal under working time regs by the way.

Of the 10 people I started with 7 have already handed in their notice and gone elsewhere. All cited unreasonable workloads as their reason for leaving.

Sadly many colleagues forget its managers and the company they should be fighting against not other OPGs

[Jefferson Starfish]

OT doesn't count towards the NMW..

[SpacePhoenix]

Sadly many colleagues forget its managers and the company they should be fighting against not other OPGs

Think it's more the managers above local managers that they're fighting against. Local managers just do as they're told by their managers, they know if they don't they'll just get moved on and replaced by someone who will.

[Tman]

If you are seriously sat at your frame/in the canteen waiting for your finish time/because your manager is being a jobsworth, that is just and beyond parody and all common sense.

And custom and practice since clock machines were invented. It's not up to the employee to decide that "there's nothing to do so I'll nip off home early".
If the manager can't fill your duty then more fool him, but that doesn't mean you get to go home.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Overtime is still prearranged with management before it's completed regardless of what time you finish unless it is pressure overtime that is paid for you to stay out and complete your duty on a ad-hoc basis.
All people, especially new contracts, should record their overtime so you can dispute any discrepancies.
Also you should be signing the 552s daily to check it is being recorded.
Ask the manager/bookman to present the 552s so you can sign for the overtime.

[kazardaimenu]

It seems every office has their own set of rules and the national rules are loosely followed or bent so that the local managers can get their bonus.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Every office should have 552s.

[Londonsburning]

Every office should have 552s.

What you input on the 552 form and what your manager decides to pay you can be wildly different things unfortunately. It's basically the only reason they brought in monthly pay a couple of years ago.

[yellowbelly]

If you are seriously sat at your frame/in the canteen waiting for your finish time/because your manager is being a jobsworth, that is just and beyond parody and all common sense.

And custom and practice since clock machines were invented. It's not up to the employee to decide that "there's nothing to do so I'll nip off home early".
If the manager can't fill your duty then more fool him, but that doesn't mean you get to go home.

And if your managers are not in the office either?

[TopperGas]

If you are seriously sat at your frame/in the canteen waiting for your finish time/because your manager is being a jobsworth, that is just and beyond parody and all common sense.

And custom and practice since clock machines were invented. It's not up to the employee to decide that "there's nothing to do so I'll nip off home early".
If the manager can't fill your duty then more fool him, but that doesn't mean you get to go home.

And if your managers are not in the office either?

We're not school kids who have to be told when we can go home by a teacher, if we're paid to work til 6pm we shouldn't be clocking out at 5:30pm because we've cleared all our parcels for the day, unless the manager has already agreed that we can clock off when we're finished (which is unlikely in my own experience)

[yellowbelly]

We're not school kids who have to be told when we can go home by a teacher, if we're paid to work til 6pm we shouldn't be clocking out at 5:30pm because we've cleared all our parcels for the day, unless the manager has already agreed that we can clock off when we're finished (which is unlikely in my own experience)

Exactly! We're not school kids in detention! I'll do any RM related work a manager allocates in duty time but if there isn't any, I'm not sitting around in the canteen/at the frame for 30 minutes. Until it becomes an official SISO 'rule' then I'm off home. Any manager who tries to implement such a thing knows they're not going to get any OT done when workload is busy. Poor management skills.

And virtually every postie I know plans it so they've got half their break left to take at the end of their duty (IAW local agreement) so if you've got thirty minutes left at the end of your duty and you've planned it right that'd only give you 10 mins work which you can occupy with kill offs etc. Most managers know this so don't make an issue of it.

Of course we call all be in for a shock if SISO rules change, but until then I'm too long in the tooth (in a career outside RM) and a shorter stint in RM to put up with being treated like a child.