Martin Walsh doubles down on CWU partnership with Royal Mail over USO pilot reforms: “the principles work”

[Burghboy]

Don’t know how accurate it is but hidden in there it says 1 in 4 job losses. I remember a few months ago saying I reckoned there will be a 25% cut in staff whist it was being stated they expect 1,000!!!! As I say don’t know whether the above reported figure is accurate but going on how ODM is being touted to work it seems pretty realistic to me.

Don’t think that’s accurate at all, from what I’ve heard most units need to add duties in because of walks being unmanageable. Then firm and rural duties don’t change much. So the most duties that will go is 1 in 4 town duties, however it looks to me like Royal mail are setting up to fail in units that don’t have DPR’s.

Royal mail’s savings forecast with these changes is pie in the sky in my opinion.

[POSTMAN]

Not withstanding Perez’s claim that USO reform can “work” for postal workers,

Who is Perez?

Orville knows who he is, or is it a she?

[clashcityrocker]

Not withstanding Perez’s claim that USO reform can “work” for postal workers,

Who is Perez?

Orville knows who he is, or is it a she?

I thought everyone was non binary nowadays.

[Acca Dacca]

As I say don’t know whether the above reported figure is accurate but going on how ODM is being touted to work it seems pretty realistic to me.

Not when you factor in the number of vacancies and people leaving voluntarily - retiring etc

For example:
If there are 25 000 fewer jobs but currently 24 000 vacancies then the net loss is 1 000 people.

And are there currently 24,000 vacancies? No one knows!!! It’s all cloak & dagger.

We don't need to know vacancy numbers. The facts are it's 1 in 4 jobs gone. That's less of us doing more work. The CWU know this and also know that the pilots are failing.

Its not quite 1 in 4 if there are duties being put back in. They will need bums on seats and would be included as signed for duties in a repick.

Duties remaining as they are now then yes 3 people doing the job that 4 currently do aside from rurals and firms.

Probably looking at nearer 1 in 6 than 4 dependant on the makeup of your the walks.

[tramssirhc]

As I say don’t know whether the above reported figure is accurate but going on how ODM is being touted to work it seems pretty realistic to me.

Not when you factor in the number of vacancies and people leaving voluntarily - retiring etc

For example:
If there are 25 000 fewer jobs but currently 24 000 vacancies then the net loss is 1 000 people.

And are there currently 24,000 vacancies? No one knows!!! It’s all cloak & dagger.

We don't need to know vacancy numbers. The facts are it's 1 in 4 jobs gone. That's less of us doing more work. The CWU know this and also know that the pilots are failing.

Its not quite 1 in 4 if there are duties being put back in. They will need bums on seats and would be included as signed for duties in a repick.

Duties remaining as they are now then yes 3 people doing the job that 4 currently do aside from rurals and firms.

Probably looking at nearer 1 in 6 than 4 dependant on the makeup of your the walks.

It will depend on the duty sets in workplaces. As a rule of thumb it's 1 in 4 jobs lost, gone. It does not help if duties are being put back in because it will still be a reduction of workers by 25%.

[Acca Dacca]

As I say don’t know whether the above reported figure is accurate but going on how ODM is being touted to work it seems pretty realistic to me.

Not when you factor in the number of vacancies and people leaving voluntarily - retiring etc

For example:
If there are 25 000 fewer jobs but currently 24 000 vacancies then the net loss is 1 000 people.

And are there currently 24,000 vacancies? No one knows!!! It’s all cloak & dagger.

We don't need to know vacancy numbers. The facts are it's 1 in 4 jobs gone. That's less of us doing more work. The CWU know this and also know that the pilots are failing.

Its not quite 1 in 4 if there are duties being put back in. They will need bums on seats and would be included as signed for duties in a repick.

Duties remaining as they are now then yes 3 people doing the job that 4 currently do aside from rurals and firms.

Probably looking at nearer 1 in 6 than 4 dependant on the makeup of your the walks.

It will depend on the duty sets in workplaces. As a rule of thumb it's 1 in 4 jobs lost, gone. It does not help if duties are being put back in because it will still be a reduction of workers by 25%.

No it wont as those duties will need people on them

[tramssirhc]

As I say don’t know whether the above reported figure is accurate but going on how ODM is being touted to work it seems pretty realistic to me.

Not when you factor in the number of vacancies and people leaving voluntarily - retiring etc

For example:
If there are 25 000 fewer jobs but currently 24 000 vacancies then the net loss is 1 000 people.

And are there currently 24,000 vacancies? No one knows!!! It’s all cloak & dagger.

We don't need to know vacancy numbers. The facts are it's 1 in 4 jobs gone. That's less of us doing more work. The CWU know this and also know that the pilots are failing.

Its not quite 1 in 4 if there are duties being put back in. They will need bums on seats and would be included as signed for duties in a repick.

Duties remaining as they are now then yes 3 people doing the job that 4 currently do aside from rurals and firms.

Probably looking at nearer 1 in 6 than 4 dependant on the makeup of your the walks.

It will depend on the duty sets in workplaces. As a rule of thumb it's 1 in 4 jobs lost, gone. It does not help if duties are being put back in because it will still be a reduction of workers by 25%.

No it wont as those duties will need people on them

The duty sets need to be a figure divisible by 4, although there had been modelling on bigger sets. A duty could be put back in and simply become an addition to the set of 4. No worker in the 3 for 4 scenario will be allocated to that duty. It's a 25% reduction in workers. There is also the new caveat of the reduced method not resulting in full time work. The CWU are being dishonest.

[clashcityrocker]

It's a 25% reduction in workers. There is also the new caveat of the reduced method not resulting in full time work. The CWU are being dishonest.

You are being dishonest.
There will not be a 25% reduction in the workforce because due to vacancies a lot of that workforce already doesn't exist.
If there are currently 60 000 posties there will not be 15 000 redundancies.
Stop scaremongering.

[Acca Dacca]

As I say don’t know whether the above reported figure is accurate but going on how ODM is being touted to work it seems pretty realistic to me.

Not when you factor in the number of vacancies and people leaving voluntarily - retiring etc

For example:
If there are 25 000 fewer jobs but currently 24 000 vacancies then the net loss is 1 000 people.

And are there currently 24,000 vacancies? No one knows!!! It’s all cloak & dagger.

We don't need to know vacancy numbers. The facts are it's 1 in 4 jobs gone. That's less of us doing more work. The CWU know this and also know that the pilots are failing.

Its not quite 1 in 4 if there are duties being put back in. They will need bums on seats and would be included as signed for duties in a repick.

Duties remaining as they are now then yes 3 people doing the job that 4 currently do aside from rurals and firms.

Probably looking at nearer 1 in 6 than 4 dependant on the makeup of your the walks.

It will depend on the duty sets in workplaces. As a rule of thumb it's 1 in 4 jobs lost, gone. It does not help if duties are being put back in because it will still be a reduction of workers by 25%.

No it wont as those duties will need people on them

The duty sets need to be a figure divisible by 4, although there had been modelling on bigger sets. A duty could be put back in and simply become an addition to the set of 4. No worker in the 3 for 4 scenario will be allocated to that duty. It's a 25% reduction in workers. There is also the new caveat of the reduced method not resulting in full time work. The CWU are being dishonest.

When you say could what you mean is you dont really know what you are talking about with any authority if you are honest about it and you are just guessing like the rest of us

[tramssirhc]

Excellent article from the WSWS/SEP. These pilots are simply the beginning of the wholesale change. The genie is out of the bottle and is not going back in.

We are all adults, and most of us appear to be reasonably sensible and accept that some sort of change has to occur.
So how do you effect change?
Pilots seems to be a sensible approach, to see what does and doesn't work.
We at the coalface have seen what happens when change is imposed and it isn't and still isn't pleasant.
If the change is implemented correctly we should all have manageable workloads, i know that sounds slightly hopeful, but it's what i expect from my union.
We are all still waiting for your alternative, and not just more words or abuse for daring to question you.
If all you have is words then i suggest you all get back into that bottle the genie got out of.

Lets be clear. There is no abuse. Prefacing a response with 'adult' and 'reasonably sensible' is patronising.

Any change should be centred on us and improve our lives. That's the only change that needs to occur. The change being forced on us is simply about less of us doing more to create more profit for the industry. When Martin Walsh talks about an 'incentive scheme' he is simply begging for a share of that profit. Not a fair or proportionate share of the profit we create. It's the crumbs from the table.

We will not be effecting any change because the decisions creating the change were made without us and the profit driven method of working is already decided, planned and ready to introduced. Martin Walsh has dishonestly said that the method cannot be introduced with everything being right. Martin contradicted this on Thursday night admitting the pilots are not right.

The pilots are the prelude to what every workplace will accept. There are no trials or tests. The profit driven method is coming in regardless of what the CWU says, thinks or wants. Manageable workloads do not make profits. Working safely does not make a profit.

We demanded and fought for the policy of renationalisation. That was not given to us. We created that policy through the parliament of the CWU, the annual general meeting. The likes of Martin Walsh believe they do not have to adhere to the demands of workers because they know better. Martin Walsh does not. There is one simple demand of the CWU - to carry out the policy of the members and to achieve renationalisation. That's not an alternative. That is the policy. The 'alternative is the CWU getting into bed with the industry and it's regulator and forcing workers to make bigger profits by doing more, faster with less of us.

[tramssirhc]

It's a 25% reduction in workers. There is also the new caveat of the reduced method not resulting in full time work. The CWU are being dishonest.

You are being dishonest.
There will not be a 25% reduction in the workforce because due to vacancies a lot of that workforce already doesn't exist.
If there are currently 60 000 posties there will not be 15 000 redundancies.
Stop scaremongering.

And you're being disingenuous. It's a 25% reduction in workers however you manipulated the message. And it will be more work with less workers.

[tramssirhc]

Don’t know how accurate it is but hidden in there it says 1 in 4 job losses. I remember a few months ago saying I reckoned there will be a 25% cut in staff whist it was being stated they expect 1,000!!!! As I say don’t know whether the above reported figure is accurate but going on how ODM is being touted to work it seems pretty realistic to me.

Don’t think that’s accurate at all, from what I’ve heard most units need to add duties in because of walks being unmanageable. Then firm and rural duties don’t change much. So the most duties that will go is 1 in 4 town duties, however it looks to me like Royal mail are setting up to fail in units that don’t have DPR’s.

Royal mail’s savings forecast with these changes is pie in the sky in my opinion.

Duties could be reinstated but that will not increase the number of workers. It's a 25% reduction in workers however the CWU manipulates the figures and message. It's a great question querying the savings. However the CWU has signed up to workers doing more with less. How the regulator arrived at it's figure is highly questionable when the data was not and still is not correct.

[tramssirhc]

Typical propaganda with a dash of scare mongering, sprinkled with a touch of bigotry.

What is this fightback? Unofficial walk outs? Tea clubs with tissues? Again still waiting.

How about just turning up to work, sign in sign out, take your break an bring it back. So much less drama than all this bs.

Martin Walsh has saved your job. Martin Walsh has not saved the jobs of the workers most affected by the profit driven method. Keep your nose out.

[Sean06]

Typical propaganda with a dash of scare mongering, sprinkled with a touch of bigotry.

What is this fightback? Unofficial walk outs? Tea clubs with tissues? Again still waiting.

How about just turning up to work, sign in sign out, take your break an bring it back. So much less drama than all this bs.

Martin Walsh has saved your job. Martin Walsh has not saved the jobs of the workers most affected by the profit driven method. Keep your nose out.

How many jobs have pwrfc saved????

[clashcityrocker]

We will not be effecting any change

No you won't. Agreed.