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Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
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Perseus
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
What if offices don't have enough driving staff to get anything close to 2 out of 5 Saturdays off, is that where the following comes in?
(Quote direct from CWU facebook page)
- All employees will be encouraged to drive
No one who doesn't currently drive for RM is going to agree to do so, and I don't blame them. Especially now if they want VR.
(Quote direct from CWU facebook page)
- All employees will be encouraged to drive
No one who doesn't currently drive for RM is going to agree to do so, and I don't blame them. Especially now if they want VR.
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Pidleypoo
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
What if the non driver has reasonable adjustments or a ring fenced duty ?Martin Walsh wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 02:28Let’s quote me right non drivers will be scheduled workload for the Saturday which could be indoor and outdoor such as a van assistant to the first class routes where they have high density of parcels.
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Barnacle
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
Anyone with a special arrangement has to make it know to their rep so that it can be accounted for in any plans.Pidleypoo wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 17:21What if the non driver has reasonable adjustments or a ring fenced duty ?Martin Walsh wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 02:28Let’s quote me right non drivers will be scheduled workload for the Saturday which could be indoor and outdoor such as a van assistant to the first class routes where they have high density of parcels.
Not all special arrangements will continue though, there are some nonsense arrangements in our place which will end.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Pidleypoo
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
I’m talking about those other reasonable adjustments as covered under the equalities act.Barnacle wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 17:34Anyone with a special arrangement has to make it know to their rep so that it can be accounted for in any plans.Pidleypoo wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 17:21What if the non driver has reasonable adjustments or a ring fenced duty ?Martin Walsh wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 02:28Let’s quote me right non drivers will be scheduled workload for the Saturday which could be indoor and outdoor such as a van assistant to the first class routes where they have high density of parcels.
Not all special arrangements will continue though, there are some nonsense arrangements in our place which will end.
They’re not nonsense.
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sindba
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
"Van assistants"
Jesus wept.
Jesus wept.
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Barnacle
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
Pidleypoo wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 18:41I’m talking about those other reasonable adjustments as covered under the equalities act.Barnacle wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 17:34Anyone with a special arrangement has to make it know to their rep so that it can be accounted for in any plans.Pidleypoo wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 17:21What if the non driver has reasonable adjustments or a ring fenced duty ?Martin Walsh wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 02:28Let’s quote me right non drivers will be scheduled workload for the Saturday which could be indoor and outdoor such as a van assistant to the first class routes where they have high density of parcels.
Not all special arrangements will continue though, there are some nonsense arrangements in our place which will end.
They’re not nonsense.
That’s what I was referring to in the first half of my reply.
The nonsense ones aren’t covered by any act, they’re just a nonsense given to a pet.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Smoothbackground
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
Over Xmas I did encounter a manager or two who seemed to think having a “van assistant” would somehow increase productivity. Having tried it a few times, usually on account of there being no spare van for the “van assistant” to go out with his own parcel route, it — predictably — was a complete disaster and actually ended up taking longer than if on your own…
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SpacePhoenix
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
RM's first option will probably be to transfer them to an office that needs a few extra non-driversPerseus wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 17:14What if offices don't have enough driving staff to get anything close to 2 out of 5 Saturdays off, is that where the following comes in?
(Quote direct from CWU facebook page)
- All employees will be encouraged to drive
No one who doesn't currently drive for RM is going to agree to do so, and I don't blame them. Especially now if they want VR.
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Barnacle
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
Actually, if you read the pilot bumf, it says that ‘during the trial no one will be moved to a different office’, which of course means that after the pilot they will indeed move people about.SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 19:37RM's first option will probably be to transfer them to an office that needs a few extra non-driversPerseus wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 17:14What if offices don't have enough driving staff to get anything close to 2 out of 5 Saturdays off, is that where the following comes in?
(Quote direct from CWU facebook page)
- All employees will be encouraged to drive
No one who doesn't currently drive for RM is going to agree to do so, and I don't blame them. Especially now if they want VR.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Acca Dacca
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
Why would an office ''need a few extra non driving staff'''?
Drivers yes, but people who can drive can do non driving duties as happens now with van share so I cant see any office needing non drivers from elsewhere.
Drivers yes, but people who can drive can do non driving duties as happens now with van share so I cant see any office needing non drivers from elsewhere.
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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Woody Guthrie
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
I spoke to the USO "champion" dealing with the first pilot site today Martin.Martin Walsh wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 07:38The majority of Delivery OPGs already drive. This is due to a combination of every who joined after 2010 as within their contract of employment an obligation to drive and the introduction of CDV van sharing from 2009.
The modelling shows that parcel drop rates increase from Wednesday to Saturday where it peaks.
Whilst the 1st class rates are circa 20% , the number of parcels and tracked will potential mean a singleton van will have a partner on a Saturday to assist the delivery of parcels for two routes.
Non drivers will also have indoor work which will be scheduled into their duty the Saturdays they will work.
Apparently after 2 weeks the call rate is still around 90 % and fatigue is already such a major issue the planners have been dragged back in.
So explain to me how fatigue is mitigated for non drivers when they're lugging around double and triple duties all day every day and for fun on a Saturday they get to be a parcel runner for a driver?
Simple words for a simple guy like me to understand not word soup.
Only dead fish follow the current
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SpacePhoenix
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
Not surprised when there's end of financial year stuff starting to go through the systemWoody Guthrie wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 20:03Apparently after 2 weeks the call rate is still around 90 % a
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Valentina@1
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
“Word soup” Walsh 
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TopperGas
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
Surprised it's 90% although it just shows you how poor RM are at gathering data if they originally calculated that it was only going to be around 70%(?), I'm not sure what calling planners is going to achieve as they can't reduce the amount of incoming post nor shorten duties in length/customer numbers.SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 20:09Not surprised when there's end of financial year stuff starting to go through the systemWoody Guthrie wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 20:03Apparently after 2 weeks the call rate is still around 90 % a
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qwerty2
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Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?
Hammered with letters the last few daysSpacePhoenix wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 20:09Not surprised when there's end of financial year stuff starting to go through the systemWoody Guthrie wrote: ↑07 Mar 2025, 20:03Apparently after 2 weeks the call rate is still around 90 % a
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