New contract v old contract

[Ringer21]

Posting this for a friend who's on a 27h contract been with the company 5 years and basically been told not much chance of getting any increase in hours told by the union and RM managers. So on the New contracts staff are getting taken on 40h contracts. Can someone explain briefly what's the difference between both contracts now. Thanks

[Acca Dacca]

New contracts include more flexible hours for the business, mandatory Sunday working, lower hourly rate of pay, no ''Delivery Supplement'', no paid meal relief and are paid monthly rather than weekly

They do have a higher overtime rate though after 40 hours whilst it is a lower rate for legacy contracted colleagues

Reading that back, no wonder most of them chuck it

[Barnacle]

Posting this for a friend who's on a 27h contract been with the company 5 years and basically been told not much chance of getting any increase in hours told by the union and RM managers. So on the New contracts staff are getting taken on 40h contracts. Can someone explain briefly what's the difference between both contracts now. Thanks

There must be reasons why he won’t be made up? There is a push to make part timers up to full time on legacy terms (his legacy contract) so why is his office saying no?

[menditsa]

Are legacy contracts on less than x1.25 for overtime ?

[Acca Dacca]

Are legacy contracts on less than x1.25 for overtime ?

After 40 hours yes

[menditsa]

By how much ?

[kazardaimenu]

It’s pretty much basic pay on overtime for legacy contracts then after 10 hours the rate goes down as a clear incentive not to do any more.

[pinstripe]

New contracts include more flexible hours for the business, mandatory Sunday working, lower hourly rate of pay, no ''Delivery Supplement'', no paid meal relief and are paid monthly rather than weekly

So if a part timer accepted this new contract, their rate of pay would go down? They would lose paid meal relief, have to work Sundays? What if they had over 20 years service? Would they also lose 2 weeks annual leave?

How stupid or desperate do RM think we are?

[Barnacle]

New contracts include more flexible hours for the business, mandatory Sunday working, lower hourly rate of pay, no ''Delivery Supplement'', no paid meal relief and are paid monthly rather than weekly

So if a part timer accepted this new contract, their rate of pay would go down? They would lose paid meal relief, have to work Sundays? What if they had over 20 years service? Would they also lose 2 weeks annual leave?

How stupid or desperate do RM think we are?

No. If you are currently part time and have your hours made up to full time, you will remain on your existing contract’s terms.

[claretandblue]

But Martin Walsh told us that all part time staff would be given the "opportunity" to move up to full time

[Acca Dacca]

But Martin Walsh told us that all part time staff would be given the "opportunity" to move up to full time

No he didn’t

He said 11,000 who have been on temporary uplift would

Those will already be doing full time hours on a variation non permanant contract

[claretandblue]

But Martin Walsh told us that all part time staff would be given the "opportunity" to move up to full time

No he didn’t

Claret and blue you are wrong. The joint statement states that approximately 11 thousand will get the opportunity to accept the offer of an increase in their contracted hours up to and including full time from 1st January 2025.

We are in talks with Royal Mail including identifying those who will be offered this opportunity. More details will come out in early January. Please do not play this down as for 11 thousand part timers this is a good news story.

[Acca Dacca]

But Martin Walsh told us that all part time staff would be given the "opportunity" to move up to full time

No he didn’t

Claret and blue you are wrong. The joint statement states that approximately 11 thousand will get the opportunity to accept the offer of an increase in their contracted hours up to and including full time from 1st January 2025.

We are in talks with Royal Mail including identifying those who will be offered this opportunity. More details will come out in early January. Please do not play this down as for 11 thousand part timers this is a good news story.

Read it back carefully

Not all

It applies to those who are already doing full time hours on a temporary uplift contract

Most of those 11,000 will be people who are already considered full timers by most but officially on paper aren’t permanent full time

35 hour contracted guys doing 37 hours for instance

[Wat69]

By how much ?

For first 10 hours of overtime the rate is 24 pence an hour less than normal rate and after 10 hours it’s about 60 pence less than normal rate
Shocking I know and unheard of in any other organisation

[claretandblue]

But Martin Walsh told us that all part time staff would be given the "opportunity" to move up to full time

No he didn’t

Claret and blue you are wrong. The joint statement states that approximately 11 thousand will get the opportunity to accept the offer of an increase in their contracted hours up to and including full time from 1st January 2025.

We are in talks with Royal Mail including identifying those who will be offered this opportunity. More details will come out in early January. Please do not play this down as for 11 thousand part timers this is a good news story.

Read it back carefully

Not all

It applies to those who are already doing full time hours on a temporary uplift contract

Most of those 11,000 will be people who are already considered full timers by most but officially on paper aren’t permanent full time

35 hour contracted guys doing 37 hours for instance

Nowhere does it mention 35 to 37 hours, like I originally said, it's disingenuous.