CWU and EP LTB 393/24 – ROYAL MAIL GROUP TAKEOVER BID

[ted_e_bear]

You are forgetting the hourly rate. Post Oct 22 contracts are paid £12.24 an hour

That, to me, is the difference that really matters.

Also no paid breaks, super flexibility in working hours (can be asked to work any time between 08:00 and 20:00), and no delivery supplement.

I think it's a big win for the union to get these contracts levelled up.

They did say though that there's a "pathway", and how long that'll take, we don't know yet. I am guessing about three years.

Possibly new entrants will get the same contract as they get offered currently but if they stay 2-3 years they will get put on a better contract more closely alligned to the legacy contract

Do you have any idea how I can find out the pay rates (ie what we're paid per hour) and rates of pay for delivery supplements etc?? I have asked other people but keep getting a policy document that just says you are paid per....and get 1.25 over time etc....there's no actual monetary figure so it's hard to determine if you are being fleeced in your wages.

If you are on the new contract you dont get a delivery supplement and the rate will be £12.54p/hr ( bit more if in London I think )

Can find it if you look for job advertisements on RM website

Also you can check your hourly rate by dividing your basic by your contract hours.

Yeah but I assumed the question asked was what the rate should be - not what they are getting

Yes, I'm asking for what I should have because when I divide my contract hours by what I pay I'm not getting what I see quoted by others. So a proper leaflet with the rates would be great.

What about posting on here the weekly contract hours you're on ie 30 and also what your base pay is before deductions per month, iirc someone on here said their monthly pay was based on a yearly total divided by 12 so it's the same each month but I don't know without asking.

If that's the case then for example £12.54 x 30 x 52 ÷ 12 would be your monthly rate, overtime is paid at £12.54 up to 40 hours worked per week then at 1.25 so £12.54 x 1.25 = £15.68.

Does that marry up with your pay ?

Hi, I'm deliberately not posting because I have a payrate of x and then my pay according to my contract hours and they don't marry up....theres a discrepancy that I want to try and figure out by getting hold of proper payscales. I don't want to mention it incase I am not the only one with this problem and it effects other peoples pay.

If you are on a 30-hr contract, your contract should refer to your annualised hours being 1560 (30x52=1560) and your annual salary as being £19,562.40. Your regular monthly gross according to your payslip ought to be £1,630.20 or thereabouts - exc OT, xmas bonus, etc. (If you are in London or another high-cost area these figures will be higher…)

Ah thanks for confirming, that's basically what I said I suspected was the case a couple of posts up.

[Barnacle]

Understandable. On a side note, I would like to know if you are having your unpaid break deducted from your contract pay. If it is possible for you to decipher that it would be helpful.

I have the answer to this query now: no, your unpaid break is not deducted from your contract pay.

[Dorset Plodder]

Guys Do you realise you can delete vast ammounts of a previous post, leaving the relevant bit if you like, simply by highlighting it and then back spacing

It gets VERY difficult to follow some of these threads when there's wads of previous comments .... Or you could just use the post a reply button. Cheers.

[Newandscared]

You are forgetting the hourly rate. Post Oct 22 contracts are paid £12.24 an hour

That, to me, is the difference that really matters.

Also no paid breaks, super flexibility in working hours (can be asked to work any time between 08:00 and 20:00), and no delivery supplement.

I think it's a big win for the union to get these contracts levelled up.

They did say though that there's a "pathway", and how long that'll take, we don't know yet. I am guessing about three years.

Possibly new entrants will get the same contract as they get offered currently but if they stay 2-3 years they will get put on a better contract more closely alligned to the legacy contract

Do you have any idea how I can find out the pay rates (ie what we're paid per hour) and rates of pay for delivery supplements etc?? I have asked other people but keep getting a policy document that just says you are paid per....and get 1.25 over time etc....there's no actual monetary figure so it's hard to determine if you are being fleeced in your wages.

If you are on the new contract you dont get a delivery supplement and the rate will be £12.54p/hr ( bit more if in London I think )

Can find it if you look for job advertisements on RM website

Also you can check your hourly rate by dividing your basic by your contract hours.

Yeah but I assumed the question asked was what the rate should be - not what they are getting

Yes, I'm asking for what I should have because when I divide my contract hours by what I pay I'm not getting what I see quoted by others. So a proper leaflet with the rates would be great.

What about posting on here the weekly contract hours you're on ie 30 and also what your base pay is before deductions per month, iirc someone on here said their monthly pay was based on a yearly total divided by 12 so it's the same each month but I don't know without asking.

If that's the case then for example £12.54 x 30 x 52 ÷ 12 would be your monthly rate, overtime is paid at £12.54 up to 40 hours worked per week then at 1.25 so £12.54 x 1.25 = £15.68.

Does that marry up with your pay ?

Hi, I'm deliberately not posting because I have a payrate of x and then my pay according to my contract hours and they don't marry up....theres a discrepancy that I want to try and figure out by getting hold of proper payscales. I don't want to mention it incase I am not the only one with this problem and it effects other peoples pay.

If you are on a 30-hr contract, your contract should refer to your annualised hours being 1560 (30x52=1560) and your annual salary as being £19,562.40. Your regular monthly gross according to your payslip ought to be £1,630.20 or thereabouts - exc OT, xmas bonus, etc. (If you are in London or another high-cost area these figures will be higher…)

They've worked me out on a 40 hour contract. I have already done all the calculations. I'm saying that what I get is diferent to what everyone is trying to tell me so I want an actual payscale document that says people in this role get paid £x per hour, so that I can check and go back to HR with a proper question. I've come from an industry where payscales are freely given so I'm not used to this deliberate subterfuge. There could be many workers out there just taken it that their pay check is right because HR says it is, however without access to a proper payscale how can you all know?

[Barnacle]

They've worked me out on a 40 hour contract. I have already done all the calculations. I'm saying that what I get is diferent to what everyone is trying to tell me so I want an actual payscale document that says people in this role get paid £x per hour, so that I can check and go back to HR with a proper question. I've come from an industry where payscales are freely given so I'm not used to this deliberate subterfuge. There could be many workers out there just taken it that their pay check is right because HR says it is, however without access to a proper payscale how can you all know?

Have you asked the union rep? Or asked them to find out for you? All pay rates and supplements etc go through the union so they will have that info.

[Dexydog]

Refer to your contract of employment.
That will give you your pay rate and is all that matters.
Someone right post an old document of pay scales, you might ask someone else who's on a different contract, or works in an area that attracts a premium.
Your contract is the only thing that gives you clarity, try having a look at that.

[Barnacle]

Refer to your contract of employment.
That will give you your pay rate and is all that matters.
Someone right post an old document of pay scales, you might ask someone else who's on a different contract, or works in an area that attracts a premium.
Your contract is the only thing that gives you clarity, try having a look at that.

I stand to be corrected but I don’t think your pay is detailed in your contract.

[fb1969]

The pay in the contract is usually quoted as the annual salary based on full time wages, with full time now being 40 hours.

Unless newandscared is prepared to post the details from the top line of their pay slip, this question is practically impossible to answer on the forum. Assuming they are a postie (OPG) who has joined since November 2022 the hourly rate should be £12.54 outside of London. I can't find any vacancies advertised that attract the London weighting, so can't post the hourly rate for that.

[Hyrrokkin]

Guys Do you realise you can delete vast ammounts of a previous post, leaving the relevant bit if you like, simply by highlighting it and then back spacing

It gets VERY difficult to follow some of these threads when there's wads of previous comments .... Or you could just use the post a reply button. Cheers.

[menditsa]

Refer to your contract of employment.
That will give you your pay rate and is all that matters.
Someone right post an old document of pay scales, you might ask someone else who's on a different contract, or works in an area that attracts a premium.
Your contract is the only thing that gives you clarity, try having a look at that.

I stand to be corrected but I don’t think your pay is detailed in your contract.

The contract is very vague to say the least, I divided the £30,431 by a 40 hour week over a 52 week year to get £14.63

* Pay that's 10% above the market average in our sector - for this role that will be £30,431.00
* This role is Subject to Clause 9.2 of this statement, your weekly hours of attendance will be 30.00 hours per week (excluding meal breaks).
working 5 days out of 7, pro rata for part time
* Overtime rate of 1.25 x hourly rate (for any hours worked beyond 40 per week)
* 4.5 weeks' holiday (pro rata) + bank holidays
* Membership of Royal Mail's generous pension scheme

[Chelseablue]

How many of us long servers would take vr if offered ? Would certainly look at it , body done in anyway. Lol

[Perseus]

How many of us long servers would take vr if offered ? Would certainly look at it , body done in anyway. Lol

Very few who get offered it will take it, unless they are retiring in 12 months.

[Barnacle]

How many of us long servers would take vr if offered ? Would certainly look at it , body done in anyway. Lol

Very few who get offered it will take it, unless they are retiring in 12 months.

It just isn’t enough money unless you have another job lined up but even then, you will have the insecurity of being the new starter somewhere.

[Perseus]

How many of us long servers would take vr if offered ? Would certainly look at it , body done in anyway. Lol

Very few who get offered it will take it, unless they are retiring in 12 months.

It just isn’t enough money unless you have another job lined up but even then, you will have the insecurity of being the new starter somewhere.

Of course.
Over the next 18 months the company want to shift 25% of the 'legacy' delivery staff, the fun times start when people, understandably, don't accept the VR.

[Chelseablue]

Thinking of getting out in 3/4 years , work our asses off and every year they are out to get us with something else . Every year more more more for less. Its tiring and draining listening to the bs . Work so hard during xmas as we do all year , then start of year were not good enough again.