Communication Workers Union embraces Kretinsky’s takeover of Royal Mail

[stage3]

This thread has been very revealing. Some of the comments say the PWRFC has a point against Dave Ward and the CWU leadership and at least accept its a popular view held by a significant section of postal workers that those who claim to represent them are in collusion with management and the company. But rather than address what to do about this what we get instead is diatribes against the PWRFC being "far left", commies and having an ulterior agenda.

The PWRFC has never hid its connection with the Socialist Equality Party and the World Socialist Web Site, the article itself is an example. This has not put postal workers off from joining the PWRFC, reading and contributing comments to the WSWS. They make their judgement on who tells the truth. Rather than being extremist views or even "hate speech" a lot of postal workers are not fans of the market, privatisation or believers in trickle down economics and this is based on bitter experience.

The PWRFC has provided a way to express these views and formulate demands to wage a fight against the prioritisation of shareholder profits. This is in opposition to the CWU and Dave Ward, the rotten deal the electioneering and handing over members dues to a Labour Party so right wing and pro-business that now in government oils the wheels of the EP Group take-over of Royal Mail and a fully franchised Post Office.

Those venting against the PWRFC offer no way forward - leave the job, or the CWU. There is not a shred of an independent class response. All the rants and smoke and mirrors is to try and disrupt an open discussion on what conclusions and action should be taken by the rank and file against the sellout merchants at the head of the CWU. It is not working very well as the article has been read by more than 5,000 across social media.

Postal workers who want to take up a fight can join the PWRFC and in the course of that make up their own minds about different political organisations and where they stand in terms of the interests of the working class and an alternative to capitalism based on a socialist perspective.

[moon71]

May I remind people that the BRTGA vote was 75.84% in favour. Speaks volumes for average postal workers not represented on this forum, whilst on this forum we were expecting a 25% vote for this agreement (poll taken before vote). The huge disparity speaks volumes about this forum. Call the huge majority sell outs, and the cwu collaborators as much as you like the vote happened.

So 75% voted for the sell out agreement, whilst proudly, I voted in favour too. I was first hand seeing RM wanted a no vote, so they could bust and restart and put us all on new contracts, it was clear to see. At least the CWU managed to salvage something from the train crash RM we're planning. And train crash it was, they will not be dictated to by the cwu. Thank God for the union, I'd be close to minimum wage now without them.

And now it's in the past. Hoping for good old times, better conditions, pay awards and everything else only aggraviates the employer to treat us worse, not better. It's proven hence the massive yes vote for BRTGA. We always knew it was a race to the bottom, the union got that right too at least they managed to cling to some of the conditions we have.

Any doubters clearly didnt see how the dispute was unfolding. Briefly I thought we'd all be out of a job, to then reapply in a new company, and you might have been kept on if you were considered good enough. And that holds to the many people I work with.

Realy have to think individually your place in the work environment, the unions position and the business position. God bless the cwu, without them you'd be minimum wage already.

Thinking that a PWRFC will help will only be laughed at by the employer, and won't be recognised by the employer either. Instead of spreading the toxic hate, why not engage and improve on the cwu and sway it in your direction. The trouble is the majority who voted in favour of the BRTGA are not included in the PWRFC thinking, it's like the vote never happened and the minority boast a majority of people in the organisation. The vote stands.

Those that talk of sell outs, management collaborators, and other toxic views clearly don't represent the majority but twist the truths for political ends. If people wanted rank and files in the workplace, they'd already be there, instead people just want to work and get along. And if they don't, they seek better employment within the business or out.

Working in a large business, I see disgruntled delivery peeps going into 7.5 ton lorry roles, supernumeries learning lorry's, supernumeries going onto deliveries and loving it, and some supernumeries who can't handle change taking VR, still on good terms, but not as good as before. What an amazing organisation it is, any ideas what it's like on the outside of RM? Question left unanswered, that's the real world.

The point being, the business changed after the strike. It's time to accept that this is a business, like many businesses to make money. Those that believe in this transformation will likely do well, whilst those that live in the past will struggle.

Rant over.

[postslippete]

I don't know what you folks saw in the strike, but it was clear as day to me, the RM, would rather smash the company to bits and start completely afresh than surrender to the union. And they nearly did until the sell out agreement. Just imagine, 130,000 postal worker re employed on new contracts, that's what the PWRFC hope for in my eyes. Fight and lose everything.

What do you actually mean by RM wanting to smash the company to bits and start afresh? How or why would it re-employ 130,000 postal workers on new contracts when it already had around a similar number of workers on permanent contracts?

[postslippete]

May I remind people that the BRTGA vote was 75.84% in favour. Speaks volumes for average postal workers not represented on this forum, whilst on this forum we were expecting a 25% vote for this agreement (poll taken before vote). The huge disparity speaks volumes about this forum. Call the huge majority sell outs, and the cwu collaborators as much as you like the vote happened.

And in February 2023, 95.9% of postal workers also voted in favour of more RM strikes on a strike ballot with a 77.3% turnout, which was higher than the previous two ballots. I have yet to hear anyone in our office say that we "won the ballot and won the dispute".

[Hyrrokkin]

I don't know what you folks saw in the strike, but it was clear as day to me, the RM, would rather smash the company to bits and start completely afresh than surrender to the union. And they nearly did until the sell out agreement. Just imagine, 130,000 postal worker re employed on new contracts, that's what the PWRFC hope for in my eyes. Fight and lose everything.

What do you actually mean by RM wanting to smash the company to bits and start afresh? How or why would it re-employ 130,000 postal workers on new contracts when it already had around a similar number of workers on permanent contracts?

Moon71 is talking complete bullshit