I'm still at odds trying to understand how people voted yes to this absolute dog shite deal??!!! 🫣
Lose all rights, job is barely worth doing, all that striking for nothing, making these rich pigs at the top even richer while we on the front line suffer!
How in the hell were people that stupid to fall for the 1000 magic beans, I mean £1000. To accept this lousy deal???? Anyone who voted yes is a half-wit or was about to leave.
Any chance that this pathetic CWU will be replaced!
If you think that agreement was awful you best get ready for what's coming. Ward and Walsh are meeting with prospective buyers every week yet tell the members nothing. Walsh has already said the CWU will sell the USO to fund a pay rise in April. So it's simple, and classic CWU - productivity through job cuts in return for the tiniest of pay rises. If you don't boot the lazy bag avoiding full time trade union bureaucrats out then this is what's coming.
I think we all have to accept that the union is just the same as the company, trying to make sure they all keep getting paid and make money, this in turn goes against everything they are working for, so its a double edged sword.
Nothing nowadays is really a charity, even they have very rich people getting paid hundreds of thousands of pounds in charge.
All we can hope for is that at some stage they will look after us by stemming the deluge coming in our direction from RM, maybe they will get Dan the man to come in and change things, who knows.
But be under no illusions that if push really comes to shove the union will go into self preservation mode and throw us all under the nearest bus.
Please don’t include local reps in that assessment- they are paid nowt.
But local reps do get paid by RM for their union work. It is all done in company time, and they are given release time for TU work. As such, they are paid the same as other posties yet do at least 20% less real work.
1. All union work is not done ‘within company time’. Much of it is outside of hours and unpaid.
2. They are working as a union rep while also doing their usual work. So they are doing additional work, unpaid.
3. They are only given occasional release and some not at all. So your calculation of local reps doing ‘20% less ‘real’ work’ is way off.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
But local reps do get paid by RM for their union work. It is all done in company time, and they are given release time for TU work. As such, they are paid the same as other posties yet do at least 20% less real work.
As a postman i worked 8 hours/day.
As a rep I worked 16 hours a day.
Members problems aren't confined to working hours.
Understanding the different agreements and how they were intended to be implemented doesn't happen overnight.
Researching medical conditions and outlining defences for attendance procedures and conduct cases is time consuming.
I could go on.
You are so far off the mark it is embarrassing. Perhaps you should give it a go and see for yourself.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
I'm still at odds trying to understand how people voted yes to this absolute dog shite deal??!!! 🫣
Lose all rights, job is barely worth doing, all that striking for nothing, making these rich pigs at the top even richer while we on the front line suffer!
How in the hell were people that stupid to fall for the 1000 magic beans, I mean £1000. To accept this lousy deal???? Anyone who voted yes is a half-wit or was about to leave.
Any chance that this pathetic CWU will be replaced!
If you think that agreement was awful you best get ready for what's coming. Ward and Walsh are meeting with prospective buyers every week yet tell the members nothing. Walsh has already said the CWU will sell the USO to fund a pay rise in April. So it's simple, and classic CWU - productivity through job cuts in return for the tiniest of pay rises. If you don't boot the lazy bag avoiding full time trade union bureaucrats out then this is what's coming.
I think we all have to accept that the union is just the same as the company, trying to make sure they all keep getting paid and make money, this in turn goes against everything they are working for, so its a double edged sword.
Nothing nowadays is really a charity, even they have very rich people getting paid hundreds of thousands of pounds in charge.
All we can hope for is that at some stage they will look after us by stemming the deluge coming in our direction from RM, maybe they will get Dan the man to come in and change things, who knows.
But be under no illusions that if push really comes to shove the union will go into self preservation mode and throw us all under the nearest bus.
Please don’t include local reps in that assessment- they are paid nowt.
But local reps do get paid by RM for their union work. It is all done in company time, and they are given release time for TU work. As such, they are paid the same as other posties yet do at least 20% less real work.
1. All union work is not done ‘within company time’. Much of it is outside of hours and unpaid.
2. They are working as a union rep while also doing their usual work. So they are doing additional work, unpaid.
3. They are only given occasional release and some not at all. So your calculation of local reps doing ‘20% less ‘real’ work’ is way off.
While it is true that reps are not allowed paid time off (release) to attend union meetings or to go to meetings with union officials, reps do have a legal right to be paid (and released) for time spent:
- helping union members with disciplinary or grievance procedures including meetings to hear their cases (including research and case prep);
- going with union members to meetings with their line manager;
- discussing issues that affect union members like redundancies or the sale of the business.
Going by the last six or so weeks at our gaff my calculation is spot on — our reps have at least a whole-day release each week, which is exactly 20% of the working week.
I'm still at odds trying to understand how people voted yes to this absolute dog shite deal??!!! 🫣
Lose all rights, job is barely worth doing, all that striking for nothing, making these rich pigs at the top even richer while we on the front line suffer!
How in the hell were people that stupid to fall for the 1000 magic beans, I mean £1000. To accept this lousy deal???? Anyone who voted yes is a half-wit or was about to leave.
Any chance that this pathetic CWU will be replaced!
If you think that agreement was awful you best get ready for what's coming. Ward and Walsh are meeting with prospective buyers every week yet tell the members nothing. Walsh has already said the CWU will sell the USO to fund a pay rise in April. So it's simple, and classic CWU - productivity through job cuts in return for the tiniest of pay rises. If you don't boot the lazy bag avoiding full time trade union bureaucrats out then this is what's coming.
I think we all have to accept that the union is just the same as the company, trying to make sure they all keep getting paid and make money, this in turn goes against everything they are working for, so its a double edged sword.
Nothing nowadays is really a charity, even they have very rich people getting paid hundreds of thousands of pounds in charge.
All we can hope for is that at some stage they will look after us by stemming the deluge coming in our direction from RM, maybe they will get Dan the man to come in and change things, who knows.
But be under no illusions that if push really comes to shove the union will go into self preservation mode and throw us all under the nearest bus.
Please don’t include local reps in that assessment- they are paid nowt.
But local reps do get paid by RM for their union work. It is all done in company time, and they are given release time for TU work. As such, they are paid the same as other posties yet do at least 20% less real work.
1. All union work is not done ‘within company time’. Much of it is outside of hours and unpaid.
2. They are working as a union rep while also doing their usual work. So they are doing additional work, unpaid.
3. They are only given occasional release and some not at all. So your calculation of local reps doing ‘20% less ‘real’ work’ is way off.
While it is true that reps are not allowed paid time off (release) to attend union meetings or to go to meetings with union officials, reps do have a legal right to be paid (and released) for time spent:
- helping union members with disciplinary or grievance procedures including meetings to hear their cases (including research and case prep);
- going with union members to meetings with their line manager;
- discussing issues that affect union members like redundancies or the sale of the business.
Going by the last six or so weeks at our gaff my calculation is spot on — our reps have at least a whole-day release each week, which is exactly 20% of the working week.
You have no idea what you are talking about. What union reps might have a right to and what happens in practice, are two very different things.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
But local reps do get paid by RM for their union work. It is all done in company time, and they are given release time for TU work. As such, they are paid the same as other posties yet do at least 20% less real work.
As a postman i worked 8 hours/day.
As a rep I worked 16 hours a day.
Members problems aren't confined to working hours.
Understanding the different agreements and how they were intended to be implemented doesn't happen overnight.
Researching medical conditions and outlining defences for attendance procedures and conduct cases is time consuming.
I could go on.
You are so far off the mark it is embarrassing. Perhaps you should give it a go and see for yourself.
While problems generally in life will arise at any time of day or night, members’ work problems would generally tend to occur during work hours though, no?
And I don’t for one second underestimate the time needed for research and reading-in in preparation for a grievance or disciplinary, or to read and understand applicable policy or governance framework, to find inconsistencies in a series of witness statements in a disciplinary case so you can prepare your questions and submissions, etc, etc. I am just reiterating that the rep is given paid release time to do all of this work. Like anything intellectual in life, yes, I will accept that you might be drawn to read into it further outwith work hours. You were clearly committed and conscientious rep :-)
I'm still at odds trying to understand how people voted yes to this absolute dog shite deal??!!! 🫣
Lose all rights, job is barely worth doing, all that striking for nothing, making these rich pigs at the top even richer while we on the front line suffer!
How in the hell were people that stupid to fall for the 1000 magic beans, I mean £1000. To accept this lousy deal???? Anyone who voted yes is a half-wit or was about to leave.
Any chance that this pathetic CWU will be replaced!
If you think that agreement was awful you best get ready for what's coming. Ward and Walsh are meeting with prospective buyers every week yet tell the members nothing. Walsh has already said the CWU will sell the USO to fund a pay rise in April. So it's simple, and classic CWU - productivity through job cuts in return for the tiniest of pay rises. If you don't boot the lazy bag avoiding full time trade union bureaucrats out then this is what's coming.
I think we all have to accept that the union is just the same as the company, trying to make sure they all keep getting paid and make money, this in turn goes against everything they are working for, so its a double edged sword.
Nothing nowadays is really a charity, even they have very rich people getting paid hundreds of thousands of pounds in charge.
All we can hope for is that at some stage they will look after us by stemming the deluge coming in our direction from RM, maybe they will get Dan the man to come in and change things, who knows.
But be under no illusions that if push really comes to shove the union will go into self preservation mode and throw us all under the nearest bus.
Please don’t include local reps in that assessment- they are paid nowt.
But local reps do get paid by RM for their union work. It is all done in company time, and they are given release time for TU work. As such, they are paid the same as other posties yet do at least 20% less real work.
1. All union work is not done ‘within company time’. Much of it is outside of hours and unpaid.
2. They are working as a union rep while also doing their usual work. So they are doing additional work, unpaid.
3. They are only given occasional release and some not at all. So your calculation of local reps doing ‘20% less ‘real’ work’ is way off.
While it is true that reps are not allowed paid time off (release) to attend union meetings or to go to meetings with union officials, reps do have a legal right to be paid (and released) for time spent:
- helping union members with disciplinary or grievance procedures including meetings to hear their cases (including research and case prep);
- going with union members to meetings with their line manager;
- discussing issues that affect union members like redundancies or the sale of the business.
Going by the last six or so weeks at our gaff my calculation is spot on — our reps have at least a whole-day release each week, which is exactly 20% of the working week.
You have no idea what you are talking about. What union reps might have a right to and what happens in practice, are two very different things.
I have every idea what I’m talking about. You clearly don’t. Have a read of the Trade Union Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992. Section 168 might be worth a quick perusal.
The law is the law. It applies to us all. Now, as I was saying, CWU reps have a statutory right to paid time off for these things. They can even bring an ET claim if they are denied it. Armed with this knowledge, and with the law being on its side, the CWU has clearly done an excellent job in securing very generous release time for union reps.
But local reps do get paid by RM for their union work. It is all done in company time, and they are given release time for TU work. As such, they are paid the same as other posties yet do at least 20% less real work.
As a postman i worked 8 hours/day.
As a rep I worked 16 hours a day.
Members problems aren't confined to working hours.
Understanding the different agreements and how they were intended to be implemented doesn't happen overnight.
Researching medical conditions and outlining defences for attendance procedures and conduct cases is time consuming.
I could go on.
You are so far off the mark it is embarrassing. Perhaps you should give it a go and see for yourself.
While problems generally in life will arise at any time of day or night, members’ work problems would generally tend to occur during work hours though, no?
And I don’t for one second underestimate the time needed for research and reading-in in preparation for a grievance or disciplinary, or to read and understand applicable policy or governance framework, to find inconsistencies in a series of witness statements in a disciplinary case so you can prepare your questions and submissions, etc, etc. I am just reiterating that the rep is given paid release time to do all of this work. Like anything intellectual in life, yes, I will accept that you might be drawn to read into it further outwith work hours. You were clearly committed and conscientious rep :-)
Can you please read what I write and adjust your assumptions: while reps may be entitled to paid release to carry out union work, there are very few occasions when this actually happens.
So a rep will have to get their usual work done, in addition to any rep activities.
Just because you have read the rules online, does not mean that is what happens in practice.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
I'm still at odds trying to understand how people voted yes to this absolute dog shite deal??!!! 🫣
Lose all rights, job is barely worth doing, all that striking for nothing, making these rich pigs at the top even richer while we on the front line suffer!
How in the hell were people that stupid to fall for the 1000 magic beans, I mean £1000. To accept this lousy deal???? Anyone who voted yes is a half-wit or was about to leave.
Any chance that this pathetic CWU will be replaced!
If you think that agreement was awful you best get ready for what's coming. Ward and Walsh are meeting with prospective buyers every week yet tell the members nothing. Walsh has already said the CWU will sell the USO to fund a pay rise in April. So it's simple, and classic CWU - productivity through job cuts in return for the tiniest of pay rises. If you don't boot the lazy bag avoiding full time trade union bureaucrats out then this is what's coming.
I think we all have to accept that the union is just the same as the company, trying to make sure they all keep getting paid and make money, this in turn goes against everything they are working for, so its a double edged sword.
Nothing nowadays is really a charity, even they have very rich people getting paid hundreds of thousands of pounds in charge.
All we can hope for is that at some stage they will look after us by stemming the deluge coming in our direction from RM, maybe they will get Dan the man to come in and change things, who knows.
But be under no illusions that if push really comes to shove the union will go into self preservation mode and throw us all under the nearest bus.
Please don’t include local reps in that assessment- they are paid nowt.
But local reps do get paid by RM for their union work. It is all done in company time, and they are given release time for TU work. As such, they are paid the same as other posties yet do at least 20% less real work.
1. All union work is not done ‘within company time’. Much of it is outside of hours and unpaid.
2. They are working as a union rep while also doing their usual work. So they are doing additional work, unpaid.
3. They are only given occasional release and some not at all. So your calculation of local reps doing ‘20% less ‘real’ work’ is way off.
While it is true that reps are not allowed paid time off (release) to attend union meetings or to go to meetings with union officials, reps do have a legal right to be paid (and released) for time spent:
- helping union members with disciplinary or grievance procedures including meetings to hear their cases (including research and case prep);
- going with union members to meetings with their line manager;
- discussing issues that affect union members like redundancies or the sale of the business.
Going by the last six or so weeks at our gaff my calculation is spot on — our reps have at least a whole-day release each week, which is exactly 20% of the working week.
You have no idea what you are talking about. What union reps might have a right to and what happens in practice, are two very different things.
I have every idea what I’m talking about. You clearly don’t. Have a read of the Trade Union Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992. Section 168 might be worth a quick perusal.
The law is the law. It applies to us all. Now, as I was saying, CWU reps have a statutory right to paid time off for these things. They can even bring an ET claim if they are denied it. Armed with this knowledge, and with the law being on its side, the CWU has clearly done an excellent job in securing very generous release time for union reps.
As I wrote: reading a manual or rules online, does not make you knowledgeable on the subject. What happens in practice is very different to online info scrapes.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
But local reps do get paid by RM for their union work. It is all done in company time, and they are given release time for TU work. As such, they are paid the same as other posties yet do at least 20% less real work.
As a postman i worked 8 hours/day.
As a rep I worked 16 hours a day.
Members problems aren't confined to working hours.
Understanding the different agreements and how they were intended to be implemented doesn't happen overnight.
Researching medical conditions and outlining defences for attendance procedures and conduct cases is time consuming.
I could go on.
You are so far off the mark it is embarrassing. Perhaps you should give it a go and see for yourself.
While problems generally in life will arise at any time of day or night, members’ work problems would generally tend to occur during work hours though, no?
And I don’t for one second underestimate the time needed for research and reading-in in preparation for a grievance or disciplinary, or to read and understand applicable policy or governance framework, to find inconsistencies in a series of witness statements in a disciplinary case so you can prepare your questions and submissions, etc, etc. I am just reiterating that the rep is given paid release time to do all of this work. Like anything intellectual in life, yes, I will accept that you might be drawn to read into it further outwith work hours. You were clearly committed and conscientious rep :-)
Can you please read what I write and adjust your assumptions: while reps may be entitled to paid release to carry out union work, there are very few occasions when this actually happens.
So a rep will have to get their usual work done, in addition to any rep activities.
Just because you have read the rules online, does not mean that is what happens in practice.
Do you realise how silly this sounds? “Very few occasions”? The CWU would be all over it! Please reflect on what you’re suggesting.
As I say, in my own office both reps have a whole day of release each week just as a matter of routine. This week one of them has only done his walk once as he has been busy with “meetings”. Both walks are absorbed by others when these chaps are otherwise engaged, with the pairing partner being lumbered with the tracked for both walks, plus their own walk still to be done.
But local reps do get paid by RM for their union work. It is all done in company time, and they are given release time for TU work. As such, they are paid the same as other posties yet do at least 20% less real work.
As a postman i worked 8 hours/day.
As a rep I worked 16 hours a day.
Members problems aren't confined to working hours.
Understanding the different agreements and how they were intended to be implemented doesn't happen overnight.
Researching medical conditions and outlining defences for attendance procedures and conduct cases is time consuming.
I could go on.
You are so far off the mark it is embarrassing. Perhaps you should give it a go and see for yourself.
While problems generally in life will arise at any time of day or night, members’ work problems would generally tend to occur during work hours though, no?
And I don’t for one second underestimate the time needed for research and reading-in in preparation for a grievance or disciplinary, or to read and understand applicable policy or governance framework, to find inconsistencies in a series of witness statements in a disciplinary case so you can prepare your questions and submissions, etc, etc. I am just reiterating that the rep is given paid release time to do all of this work. Like anything intellectual in life, yes, I will accept that you might be drawn to read into it further outwith work hours. You were clearly committed and conscientious rep :-)
Can you please read what I write and adjust your assumptions: while reps may be entitled to paid release to carry out union work, there are very few occasions when this actually happens.
So a rep will have to get their usual work done, in addition to any rep activities.
Just because you have read the rules online, does not mean that is what happens in practice.
Do you realise how silly this sounds? “Very few occasions”? The CWU would be all over it! Please reflect on what you’re suggesting.
As I say, in my own office both reps have a whole day of release each week just as a matter of routine. This week one of them has only done his walk once as he has been busy with “meetings”. Both walks are absorbed by others when these chaps are otherwise engaged, with the pairing partner being lumbered with the tracked for both walks, plus their own walk still to be done.
You really do not know what you are talking about. You are not a union member, despise everything about it and refuse to acknowledge that you are unlikely to know more about it than people who have been at RM and a union member for years.
Whatever.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
I'm still at odds trying to understand how people voted yes to this absolute dog shite deal??!!! 🫣
Lose all rights, job is barely worth doing, all that striking for nothing, making these rich pigs at the top even richer while we on the front line suffer!
How in the hell were people that stupid to fall for the 1000 magic beans, I mean £1000. To accept this lousy deal???? Anyone who voted yes is a half-wit or was about to leave.
Any chance that this pathetic CWU will be replaced!
If you think that agreement was awful you best get ready for what's coming. Ward and Walsh are meeting with prospective buyers every week yet tell the members nothing. Walsh has already said the CWU will sell the USO to fund a pay rise in April. So it's simple, and classic CWU - productivity through job cuts in return for the tiniest of pay rises. If you don't boot the lazy bag avoiding full time trade union bureaucrats out then this is what's coming.
I think we all have to accept that the union is just the same as the company, trying to make sure they all keep getting paid and make money, this in turn goes against everything they are working for, so its a double edged sword.
Nothing nowadays is really a charity, even they have very rich people getting paid hundreds of thousands of pounds in charge.
All we can hope for is that at some stage they will look after us by stemming the deluge coming in our direction from RM, maybe they will get Dan the man to come in and change things, who knows.
But be under no illusions that if push really comes to shove the union will go into self preservation mode and throw us all under the nearest bus.
Please don’t include local reps in that assessment- they are paid nowt.
But local reps do get paid by RM for their union work. It is all done in company time, and they are given release time for TU work. As such, they are paid the same as other posties yet do at least 20% less real work.
1. All union work is not done ‘within company time’. Much of it is outside of hours and unpaid.
2. They are working as a union rep while also doing their usual work. So they are doing additional work, unpaid.
3. They are only given occasional release and some not at all. So your calculation of local reps doing ‘20% less ‘real’ work’ is way off.
While it is true that reps are not allowed paid time off (release) to attend union meetings or to go to meetings with union officials, reps do have a legal right to be paid (and released) for time spent:
- helping union members with disciplinary or grievance procedures including meetings to hear their cases (including research and case prep);
- going with union members to meetings with their line manager;
- discussing issues that affect union members like redundancies or the sale of the business.
Going by the last six or so weeks at our gaff my calculation is spot on — our reps have at least a whole-day release each week, which is exactly 20% of the working week.
You have no idea what you are talking about. What union reps might have a right to and what happens in practice, are two very different things.
I have every idea what I’m talking about. You clearly don’t. Have a read of the Trade Union Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992. Section 168 might be worth a quick perusal.
The law is the law. It applies to us all. Now, as I was saying, CWU reps have a statutory right to paid time off for these things. They can even bring an ET claim if they are denied it. Armed with this knowledge, and with the law being on its side, the CWU has clearly done an excellent job in securing very generous release time for union reps.
As I wrote: reading a manual or rules online, does not make you knowledgeable on the subject. What happens in practice is very different to online info scrapes.
And for once I would completely agree with you.
Thankfully I bring a bit more substance. As I may have alluded to previously, my previous career was in the legal sphere, where for several years I worked at a Chambers-ranked firm specialising in contentious employment law disputes (though acting for employers, not employees).
But local reps do get paid by RM for their union work. It is all done in company time, and they are given release time for TU work. As such, they are paid the same as other posties yet do at least 20% less real work.
As a postman i worked 8 hours/day.
As a rep I worked 16 hours a day.
Members problems aren't confined to working hours.
Understanding the different agreements and how they were intended to be implemented doesn't happen overnight.
Researching medical conditions and outlining defences for attendance procedures and conduct cases is time consuming.
I could go on.
You are so far off the mark it is embarrassing. Perhaps you should give it a go and see for yourself.
While problems generally in life will arise at any time of day or night, members’ work problems would generally tend to occur during work hours though, no?
And I don’t for one second underestimate the time needed for research and reading-in in preparation for a grievance or disciplinary, or to read and understand applicable policy or governance framework, to find inconsistencies in a series of witness statements in a disciplinary case so you can prepare your questions and submissions, etc, etc. I am just reiterating that the rep is given paid release time to do all of this work. Like anything intellectual in life, yes, I will accept that you might be drawn to read into it further outwith work hours. You were clearly committed and conscientious rep :-)
Can you please read what I write and adjust your assumptions: while reps may be entitled to paid release to carry out union work, there are very few occasions when this actually happens.
So a rep will have to get their usual work done, in addition to any rep activities.
Just because you have read the rules online, does not mean that is what happens in practice.
Do you realise how silly this sounds? “Very few occasions”? The CWU would be all over it! Please reflect on what you’re suggesting.
As I say, in my own office both reps have a whole day of release each week just as a matter of routine. This week one of them has only done his walk once as he has been busy with “meetings”. Both walks are absorbed by others when these chaps are otherwise engaged, with the pairing partner being lumbered with the tracked for both walks, plus their own walk still to be done.
You really do not know what you are talking about. You are not a union member, despise everything about it and refuse to acknowledge that you are unlikely to know more about it than people who have been at RM and a union member for years.
Whatever.
As you rightly say, I am not a union member. Perhaps becoming a member means you become brainwashed — like you clearly have — into believing the poor rep is being worked into the ground, doing 100% of his walk for 100% of the time, plus union rep work on top. Have you read George Orwell’s 1984?!
My RM and CwU inexperience aside, it is patently obvious the CWU would be all over it like a rash if RM failed to follow the law. I also know what I see happening in my own office vis the reps’ generous release time. All of this leads me to the conclusion that you are deluded.
Wasting your time Barnacle, Smooth believes that because of her experience in past jobs that employers adhere to the employment law to the letter, blue collar work doesn't really give you insight into how it is at the bottom. Employers treat the law more as a guidance and, unless you are prepared to go down the legal route, won't change the way they treat us. That costs money and the union only tackle it if they know they can't lose.
It really does take a government to tackle big business and get them to toe the line, but like everything to do with politics the corruption is rife there too and the company will get away with it.
Having been a shop steward in years gone by i can confirm it's a thankless task if you do it right, i can also accept some take the job and see a chance to dodge some work and suck up to the boss.
Maybe that is what Smooth has in their office, doesn't mean they're all like that.
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