Minimum wage

[Jb1969]

So come the next pay review next April how the hell they going to do it.Cannot be a fixed 2% for all as the new starts will get less than the old contracts.

[Duesouth]

This job with everything we do should be around £15 a hour for everyone, no two tier nonsense, to be a few pence above minimum wage is taking us for mugs now.

Just a few weeks back I discussed this matter with a new start that our wages should at least be £15 an hour. The business would probably be better to hold onto there staff better if the pay and working conditions were improved.

Would be interesting to find out how much it costs the business to recruit new staff, the turnover has been massive over the past couple of years.

It's mad that work place coaches train the new guys & girls for a week and in a short period of time they leave either it's not what they expected from the job, or they have found a better job elsewhere.

[scotchy1962]

We should be on £16 pounds an hour for what we do.. what they ll do now to anyone on a new contract is put it up 30p an hour.. about 90p altogether above the minimum wage..it's a disgrace.

Yeah I agree, but also do away with the delivery supplement and we ALL start on a fair wage

Why would you do away with the delivery supplement? Are you feeling alright?
Surely the way to go is to level up the t&c's for new starts, some people really are clueless.

[kazardaimenu]

Just roll it all into the hourly wage for delivery workers and with it ending the ‘it’s a d2d payment’ nonsense.

[Smoothbackground]

The CWU is trying to close the stable door after the horse has bolted imho.

That said, the political landscape has changed (or has it?), and perhaps the CWU is up for more industrial disputes to be on the horizon as the takeover looms, perhaps thinking that will be the best time for it to seek to reassert its grip. I am mildly impressed by the clear wording tbh.

[Jefferson Starfish]

So come the next pay review next April how the hell they going to do it.Cannot be a fixed 2% for all as the new starts will get less than the old contracts.

That's how percentages work.

[Checkerfinch]

This job with everything we do should be around £15 a hour for everyone, no two tier nonsense, to be a few pence above minimum wage is taking us for mugs now.

Just a few weeks back I discussed this matter with a new start that our wages should at least be £15 an hour. The business would probably be better to hold onto there staff better if the pay and working conditions were improved.

Would be interesting to find out how much it costs the business to recruit new staff, the turnover has been massive over the past couple of years.

It's mad that work place coaches train the new guys & girls for a week and in a short period of time they leave either it's not what they expected from the job, or they have found a better job elsewhere.

You're right, but they have never cared about holding onto staff for some inexplicable reason. Maybe recruitment costs don't factor into their spreadsheets?

Oddly enough someone I worked with seemed to believe that the current rate of pay was fair to posties as it was about industry standard. If an actual postie believed that then there's little chance management will come to their senses. Unfortunately £15 an hour is about what Class 2 drivers make which requires an actual qualification and they won't want to justify why a mere unskilled postie should be earning that kind of money when they can drag a thousand bums off the street that can pass a DBS check and at least 1% of them will stick it out of either desperation or some kind of defeatist sense of servitude.

[stevejm]

minimum wage in 2018 when I joined was roughly £7.50/hour. Our wages were £11 or so. So 50% above minimum wage.

So to get ac to where we were we'd be looking at £18.30/hour.

What chance? Thanks CWU. Not only have you overseen an evisceration of our wage but also of our working conditions. The exact opposite of what a union should be doing.

[Duesouth]

This job with everything we do should be around £15 a hour for everyone, no two tier nonsense, to be a few pence above minimum wage is taking us for mugs now.

Just a few weeks back I discussed this matter with a new start that our wages should at least be £15 an hour. The business would probably be better to hold onto there staff better if the pay and working conditions were improved.

Would be interesting to find out how much it costs the business to recruit new staff, the turnover has been massive over the past couple of years.

It's mad that work place coaches train the new guys & girls for a week and in a short period of time they leave either it's not what they expected from the job, or they have found a better job elsewhere.

You're right, but they have never cared about holding onto staff for some inexplicable reason. Maybe recruitment costs don't factor into their spreadsheets?

Oddly enough someone I worked with seemed to believe that the current rate of pay was fair to posties as it was about industry standard. If an actual postie believed that then there's little chance management will come to their senses. Unfortunately £15 an hour is about what Class 2 drivers make which requires an actual qualification and they won't want to justify why a mere unskilled postie should be earning that kind of money when they can drag a thousand bums off the street that can pass a DBS check and at least 1% of them will stick it out of either desperation or some kind of defeatist sense of servitude.

I completely agree with what you are saying that a class 2 driver needs a qualification to complete being a professional driver, it does take months and cost to build up to that role.

I think there are two camps in the workforce the first being the knowledgeable postie that knows where to sort a parcel or letter on the IPS that in itself takes time and really should be paid extra say £15 an hour.

Then you have the other camp that you could get anybody off the street and are only paid slightly less but could still learn the sorting like everybody else but might be in a queue to get to that stage as they already have enough sorters.

I don't think the business realises how important the sorters are first thing in the morning. They would probably take more notice if all the old staff left as the new starts wouldn't have a clue.

[fadetogrey63]

I don't think the business realises how important the sorters are first thing in the morning. They would probably take more notice if all the old staff left as the new starts wouldn't have a clue.
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True, I have no interest or desire to come in early and do the sorting and prepping, I like coming in bang on time and having the walk already thrown, mind you though I still have to scan in 2 or 3 sacks of packets!

[nutcracker]

minimum wage in 2018 when I joined was roughly £7.50/hour. Our wages were £11 or so. So 50% above minimum wage.

So to get ac to where we were we'd be looking at £18.30/hour.

What chance? Thanks CWU. Not only have you overseen an evisceration of our wage but also of our working conditions. The exact opposite of what a union should be doing.

Inflation is basically theft from the poor to the rich and this theft has been substantial over the last 15 years…

[2chorizon]

This job with everything we do should be around £15 a hour for everyone, no two tier nonsense, to be a few pence above minimum wage is taking us for mugs now.

Just a few weeks back I discussed this matter with a new start that our wages should at least be £15 an hour. The business would probably be better to hold onto there staff better if the pay and working conditions were improved.

Would be interesting to find out how much it costs the business to recruit new staff, the turnover has been massive over the past couple of years.

It's mad that work place coaches train the new guys & girls for a week and in a short period of time they leave either it's not what they expected from the job, or they have found a better job elsewhere.

You're right, but they have never cared about holding onto staff for some inexplicable reason. Maybe recruitment costs don't factor into their spreadsheets?

Oddly enough someone I worked with seemed to believe that the current rate of pay was fair to posties as it was about industry standard. If an actual postie believed that then there's little chance management will come to their senses. Unfortunately £15 an hour is about what Class 2 drivers make which requires an actual qualification and they won't want to justify why a mere unskilled postie should be earning that kind of money when they can drag a thousand bums off the street that can pass a DBS check and at least 1% of them will stick it out of either desperation or some kind of defeatist sense of servitude.

I completely agree with what you are saying that a class 2 driver needs a qualification to complete being a professional driver, it does take months and cost to build up to that role.

I think there are two camps in the workforce the first being the knowledgeable postie that knows where to sort a parcel or letter on the IPS that in itself takes time and really should be paid extra say £15 an hour.

Then you have the other camp that you could get anybody off the street and are only paid slightly less but could still learn the sorting like everybody else but might be in a queue to get to that stage as they already have enough sorters.

I don't think the business realises how important the sorters are first thing in the morning. They would probably take more notice if all the old staff left as the new starts wouldn't have a clue.

You will collect it all pre-sorted from your parent Mail Centre, alongside all the Evri style “owner drivers” picking up from there.

“The Czech’s in the post”

[Smoothbackground]

This job with everything we do should be around £15 a hour for everyone, no two tier nonsense, to be a few pence above minimum wage is taking us for mugs now.

Just a few weeks back I discussed this matter with a new start that our wages should at least be £15 an hour. The business would probably be better to hold onto there staff better if the pay and working conditions were improved.

Would be interesting to find out how much it costs the business to recruit new staff, the turnover has been massive over the past couple of years.

It's mad that work place coaches train the new guys & girls for a week and in a short period of time they leave either it's not what they expected from the job, or they have found a better job elsewhere.

You're right, but they have never cared about holding onto staff for some inexplicable reason. Maybe recruitment costs don't factor into their spreadsheets?

Oddly enough someone I worked with seemed to believe that the current rate of pay was fair to posties as it was about industry standard. If an actual postie believed that then there's little chance management will come to their senses. Unfortunately £15 an hour is about what Class 2 drivers make which requires an actual qualification and they won't want to justify why a mere unskilled postie should be earning that kind of money when they can drag a thousand bums off the street that can pass a DBS check and at least 1% of them will stick it out of either desperation or some kind of defeatist sense of servitude.

I completely agree with what you are saying that a class 2 driver needs a qualification to complete being a professional driver, it does take months and cost to build up to that role.

I think there are two camps in the workforce the first being the knowledgeable postie that knows where to sort a parcel or letter on the IPS that in itself takes time and really should be paid extra say £15 an hour.

Then you have the other camp that you could get anybody off the street and are only paid slightly less but could still learn the sorting like everybody else but might be in a queue to get to that stage as they already have enough sorters.

I don't think the business realises how important the sorters are first thing in the morning. They would probably take more notice if all the old staff left as the new starts wouldn't have a clue.

Sorters are critical.

Training and practice varies wildly at different offices. At our DO new starters have to learn the IPS and parcel sorting during their probation and be signed off as competent enough before passing the trial period. It starts with Sundays, sorting parcels down to the Sunday routes (usually 6-8 walks combined), and steadily builds up until you can sort mail into the IPS holes.

Four “new starters” are among our fastest (and most accurate) IPS and parcel sorters. One of them took photos of the cheat sheets and somehow memorised them all in the space of about a week! It took me much longer to get up to speed - measured in months not weeks. Knowledge — and training — is definitely key.

[LouBarlow]

New starters are definitely better at learning the sorting than the old guard.

The simple and obvious point is, the union needs to destroy this two-tier structure of pay. We need to all be earning the same amount for doing the same job. It would still not be an ideal situation, if this happens, with all the other differences in the new contracts.

[Jb1969]

This job with everything we do should be around £15 a hour for everyone, no two tier nonsense, to be a few pence above minimum wage is taking us for mugs now.

Your office appears to be a utopia in amongst madness!
I have seen new starters quit after 20min after being given a trolley & told where there first point was.
Heard a 20 year man walk quit after coming back from two wks holiday to find only the tracked had been delivered on his walk.
Not even sure your utopia exists, you got new vans too?


Just a few weeks back I discussed this matter with a new start that our wages should at least be £15 an hour. The business would probably be better to hold onto there staff better if the pay and working conditions were improved.

Would be interesting to find out how much it costs the business to recruit new staff, the turnover has been massive over the past couple of years.

It's mad that work place coaches train the new guys & girls for a week and in a short period of time they leave either it's not what they expected from the job, or they have found a better job elsewhere.

You're right, but they have never cared about holding onto staff for some inexplicable reason. Maybe recruitment costs don't factor into their spreadsheets?

Oddly enough someone I worked with seemed to believe that the current rate of pay was fair to posties as it was about industry standard. If an actual postie believed that then there's little chance management will come to their senses. Unfortunately £15 an hour is about what Class 2 drivers make which requires an actual qualification and they won't want to justify why a mere unskilled postie should be earning that kind of money when they can drag a thousand bums off the street that can pass a DBS check and at least 1% of them will stick it out of either desperation or some kind of defeatist sense of servitude.

I completely agree with what you are saying that a class 2 driver needs a qualification to complete being a professional driver, it does take months and cost to build up to that role.

I think there are two camps in the workforce the first being the knowledgeable postie that knows where to sort a parcel or letter on the IPS that in itself takes time and really should be paid extra say £15 an hour.

Then you have the other camp that you could get anybody off the street and are only paid slightly less but could still learn the sorting like everybody else but might be in a queue to get to that stage as they already have enough sorters.

I don't think the business realises how important the sorters are first thing in the morning. They would probably take more notice if all the old staff left as the new starts wouldn't have a clue.

Sorters are critical.

Training and practice varies wildly at different offices. At our DO new starters have to learn the IPS and parcel sorting during their probation and be signed off as competent enough before passing the trial period. It starts with Sundays, sorting parcels down to the Sunday routes (usually 6-8 walks combined), and steadily builds up until you can sort mail into the IPS holes.

Four “new starters” are among our fastest (and most accurate) IPS and parcel sorters. One of them took photos of the cheat sheets and somehow memorised them all in the space of about a week! It took me much longer to get up to speed - measured in months not weeks. Knowledge — and training — is definitely key.