Limits on working hours for night workers
Additional rules apply to night workers on top of the rules on maximum weekly working hours and rest breaks.
Night workers must not work more than an average of 8 hours in a 24-hour period.
The average is usually calculated over 17 weeks, but it can be over a longer period of up to 52 weeks if the workers and the employer agree - for example, by collective agreement.
Regular overtime is included in the average, but not occasional overtime.
Workers cannot opt out of the limit.
Does that mean that all full time night shift 4 night and 3 night duties in MCs and DOs are effectively illegal?
So are the 3 night duties doing 37 hrs over 3 nights? That works out at 12h 20m per night yes? Is the three nights their full working week?
If so, over even a week their AVERAGE work time over 5 days/nights (if we're equating it to a 'normal' posties rota) is less that 8 hours isn't it?
Then you can also deduct the break time within that 12 hours to bring it down even more.
Also over 17 weeks or 52 weeks (where I'm assuming employers can account for holidays/PH) their AVERAGE nightly working hours would be brought down even further won't it?
Think there's the odd person still on a 3 night duty. A good few now are on 4 nights. Don't think that any breaktimes can be taken out of it, think they class it by shift start and end times. It's possible that it's technically illegal for night shift staff to do any SA or docket
Are there many people on 5 nights at your mail centre? Ours are all 5 nights . The early shift are mainly 4 days ( giving them 3 days off per week) but the night shift have to work 5 nights. The wrong way around if you ask me. If you work the night shift you start Monday evening & finish the week on a Sat morning at 6.15. By the time you get up Sat half of your day has gone. You only get Sun off & your back in on Monday evening. Work life balance on the night shift is awful.
Limits on working hours for night workers
Additional rules apply to night workers on top of the rules on maximum weekly working hours and rest breaks.
Night workers must not work more than an average of 8 hours in a 24-hour period.
The average is usually calculated over 17 weeks, but it can be over a longer period of up to 52 weeks if the workers and the employer agree - for example, by collective agreement.
Regular overtime is included in the average, but not occasional overtime.
Workers cannot opt out of the limit.
Does that mean that all full time night shift 4 night and 3 night duties in MCs and DOs are effectively illegal?
So are the 3 night duties doing 37 hrs over 3 nights? That works out at 12h 20m per night yes? Is the three nights their full working week?
If so, over even a week their AVERAGE work time over 5 days/nights (if we're equating it to a 'normal' posties rota) is less that 8 hours isn't it?
Then you can also deduct the break time within that 12 hours to bring it down even more.
Also over 17 weeks or 52 weeks (where I'm assuming employers can account for holidays/PH) their AVERAGE nightly working hours would be brought down even further won't it?
Think there's the odd person still on a 3 night duty. A good few now are on 4 nights. Don't think that any breaktimes can be taken out of it, think they class it by shift start and end times. It's possible that it's technically illegal for night shift staff to do any SA or docket
Are there many people on 5 nights at your mail centre? Ours are all 5 nights . The early shift are mainly 4 days ( giving them 3 days off per week) but the night shift have to work 5 nights. The wrong way around if you ask me. If you work the night shift you start Monday evening & finish the week on a Sat morning at 6.15. By the time you get up Sat half of your day has gone. You only get Sun off & your back in on Monday evening. Work life balance on the night shift is awful.
There's not so many 5 nights as there used to be a couple of 4 nights got added during the last realignment. We must be very near the point now where 50% or more of all people on the night shift are agency/casuals some nights
So, is the aim to get the revision for 'delivery 2.0' - (one massive long frame) in every office nationally by xmas?
I don't understand the benefits of this concept other than to potentially save space and in future move to smaller offices.
It won't be in every office nationally before xmas. Many of the larger offices have already absorbed a few of these smaller offices and appear to be operating at a maximum level of efficiency as regards floor space. I'm all for Feng shui but if many of the aisle's aren't wide enough for two Yorks to pass through; how are they going to rearrange all the frames into one giant circle? Triple slots? Extra rows?
In all honesty I thought the future of the company would be to do away with frames with all these grand plans of bench merging a few years ago but that appears to be consigned to room 101. Or maybe that idea has just been shelved?
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
In all honesty I thought the future of the company would be to do away with frames with all these grand plans of bench merging a few years ago but that appears to be consigned to room 101. Or maybe that idea has just been shelved?
Like Bond, bench merging will return. I'll admit that of all the stupid ideas it notionally makes the most sense, yet it constantly flops. It should become more practical as letter volumes continue to decrease, though paradoxically as full sequencing becomes more attainable the less the company wants to run the machines.
I read the September edition of Your Voice and don't know what the hell is going on with these 'Format n' packets and bags hanging up in yorks. Could it be possible to further overcomplicate this job?
Like Bond, bench merging will return. I'll admit that of all the stupid ideas it notionally makes the most sense, yet it constantly flops. It should become more practical as letter volumes continue to decrease, though paradoxically as full sequencing becomes more attainable the less the company wants to run the machines.
I think in time the parcel sorting tech will develop to the point where even packets can be sequenced, or at least walk sorted.
I read the September edition of Your Voice and don't know what the hell is going on with these 'Format n' packets and bags hanging up in yorks. Could it be possible to further overcomplicate this job?
I think everything has been done to piss the old guard off so they leave. There's no logic to anything that's been happening for the last 3 years especially. Delivery 2.0 is a wacko jacko idea.
Our revision goes live next week, it was originally going to be delivery 2.0, but there isn't enough room. Everything has been double slotted though.
Double slotted mania. That will be fun with the leaflets getting in the way.
Most of our fittings gave been double slotted for almost 10 years
Same here. Even our rural frames are double slotted. They've missed out all of the vowels in the house names on the labels because there isn't enough room to fit the whole names on due to the shared slots reducing the space to print all of the letters in the words. Madness.
Our revision goes live next week, it was originally going to be delivery 2.0, but there isn't enough room. Everything has been double slotted though.
Double slotted mania. That will be fun with the leaflets getting in the way.
Most of our fittings gave been double slotted for almost 10 years
Same here. Even our rural frames are double slotted. They've missed out all of the vowels in the house names on the labels because there isn't enough room to fit the whole names on due to the shared slots reducing the space to print all of the letters in the words. Madness.
Our revision goes live next week, it was originally going to be delivery 2.0, but there isn't enough room. Everything has been double slotted though.
Double slotted mania. That will be fun with the leaflets getting in the way.
Most of our fittings gave been double slotted for almost 10 years
Same here. Even our rural frames are double slotted. They've missed out all of the vowels in the house names on the labels because there isn't enough room to fit the whole names on due to the shared slots reducing the space to print all of the letters in the words. Madness.
...They've missed out all of the vowels in the house names on the labels because there isn't enough room to fit the whole names on due to the shared slots reducing the space to print all of the letters in the words. Madness.
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(Right. Let's do it. From now on we are not allowed to use vowels. OK?)
. The early shift are mainly 4 days ( giving them 3 days off per week) but the night shift have to work 5 nights. The wrong way around if you ask me. If you work the night shift you start Monday evening & finish the week on a Sat morning at 6.15. By the time you get up Sat half of your day has gone. You only get Sun off & your back in on Monday evening. Work life balance on the night shift is awful.
