LTB435/18 Royal Mail Delivery - Musculoskeletal Survey Report

[RTP]

So the answer as to what is going to be done about this is to try and slash IHR rates.

[Hitbox]

If the use of trolleys help out that much , why aren't they enforced? They are a tool that was used to design postal routes in GeoRoute, why aren't they enforced by RM then?

We all know why because of it takes longer time to deliver and lesser the chances of doing lapsing/absorption duties. So Health and safety is put on the back burner for Productivity and a clear office.....

It has been that way in my previous local DO since two to a van came into play all the way back from 2011.......

[mjd24]

I suppose their argument would be personal responsibility.

[guardianangel]

We must all come to the realisation the union or royal mail do not care about you ,it is and always was about the money,i always take a trolley and go slow and look after myself because you can be as sure as hell those parasites wont.

[clashcityrocker]

We all know why because of it takes longer time to deliver

I don't think it does take longer.
Not carrying a bag around is quicker and less tiring.

The reason it isn't enforced is because a manager can't actually see what you are doing out on delivery.
The non compliance is down to the posties who are not the brightest, need to look and feel macho and can't accept the slightest change in their daily routine.

With the drop off in parcels I have some loops on some days where not only do I not need a trolley, but I don't even need a pouch.

[Hitbox]

We all know why because of it takes longer time to deliver

I don't think it does take longer.
Not carrying a bag around is quicker and less tiring.

The reason it isn't enforced is because a manager can't actually see what you are doing out on delivery.
The non compliance is down to the posties who are not the brightest, need to look and feel macho and can't accept the slightest change in their daily routine.

With the drop off in parcels I have some loops on some days where not only do I not need a trolley, but I don't even need a pouch.

the no bag or trolley aint gunna happen throughout all year now is it haha- normally with the Summer drop down in mail /"Lull" and parcels but not for long is it really....

yeah i agree that there's some loops on certain days are too quiet to use a trolley or even a bag would be wasteful. I think its down to much like myself before my back went, old school ways of delivery, times have changed, RM's attitude has gotten ALOT worse.

i did a trial run back in 2012 with my driver, we agreed to try one week with the trolley on the same duty (not a floater) and one week without use of trolley and break down the loops further..... use of trolley averaged 45-48 minutes longer to deliver than without use of trolley and back then, mail was still decent volume and parcels weren't too bad- i can imagine the ratio now is extortionate for parcels and mail volume is down so the length of time to deliver with trolle would probably be a little bit longer.

i think you all need to do the job as it is, on a Mass scale though because years now of RM managers taking advantage and clearly the heart of the job has long gone- and its not just about not using trolleys but also people starting before contracted hours (yes- that winds me up Still, even though i left RM back in December haha)

They needs to be a shift in the attitudes

[guardianangel]

With the drop off in parcels I have some loops on some days where not only do I not need a trolley, but I don't even need a pouch.

That will be a memory of the distant past once Delivery 2.0 reaches your office.

Ahh yes delivery 2.0 when you think the doughnuts up top couldn't become even more bonkers than they already are they listened to the doughnut planners and made things a whole lot worse,never known a management group to lose so much money through such idiotic ideas,i wonder when if at all they will start asking the 30 years service postie the quickest way to deliver mail.

[SpacePhoenix]

With the drop off in parcels I have some loops on some days where not only do I not need a trolley, but I don't even need a pouch.

That will be a memory of the distant past once Delivery 2.0 reaches your office.

Ahh yes delivery 2.0 when you think the doughnuts up top couldn't become even more bonkers than they already are they listened to the doughnut planners and made things a whole lot worse,never known a management group to lose so much money through such idiotic ideas,i wonder when if at all they will start asking the 30 years service postie the quickest way to deliver mail.

Eventually it'll be a computer which decides what block of the "Mega Frame" you'll do each day. Just about all packets get scanned now. Mech flats and letters the system probably can record the DP of each letter. Many manual flats and letters have got 2D barcodes on them. Don't think it's going to be too long until apart from D2D all mail will get scanned in a MC, using a 2D barcode. At that point they can see how much mail existing walks have got each day

[guardianangel]

But it wont tell them the 40 steps i have to walk up ,the 100 meter driveways,the old lady or disabled person taking 5 minutes to get to the door,the annoying person in bed who shouts out the window after you write the card or the miles of traffic your in each day ,delivering post can never have a time on it and will never be an exact science

[Newandscared]

I would be interested in why the PDAs aren't used to monitor the weight each person carries in their daily role. For walking and driving it knows where you are and how long a walk/drive takes, where you hit traffic or have problems with timings indicating something that could be investigated and remedied, ie walking slowly as carrying too much weight....give you a trolley.

Surely with collections and LATs the parcel weights are known as parcels have to be weighed for the post office to decide how much to charge, plus when I have sent parcels the sticker normally has how much it weighs. So when we scan parcels in, perhaps the PDA should say how much weight we have to deliver, or pick up. Doing LATs the heaviest parcel I had was 40kg, I literally had to roll the parcel out of the van onto a trolley. On collections I can take 2 vans of parcels and mail sacks back each day......that's a lot to carry. So having guidelines on how much we are allowed to carry in a specific period before they have to take action may be a way forward......or perhaps just hire the extra people.

[Newandscared]

We all know why because of it takes longer time to deliver

I don't think it does take longer.
Not carrying a bag around is quicker and less tiring.

The reason it isn't enforced is because a manager can't actually see what you are doing out on delivery.
The non compliance is down to the posties who are not the brightest, need to look and feel macho and can't accept the slightest change in their daily routine.

With the drop off in parcels I have some loops on some days where not only do I not need a trolley, but I don't even need a pouch.

the no bag or trolley aint gunna happen throughout all year now is it haha- normally with the Summer drop down in mail /"Lull" and parcels but not for long is it really....

yeah i agree that there's some loops on certain days are too quiet to use a trolley or even a bag would be wasteful. I think its down to much like myself before my back went, old school ways of delivery, times have changed, RM's attitude has gotten ALOT worse.

i did a trial run back in 2012 with my driver, we agreed to try one week with the trolley on the same duty (not a floater) and one week without use of trolley and break down the loops further..... use of trolley averaged 45-48 minutes longer to deliver than without use of trolley and back then, mail was still decent volume and parcels weren't too bad- i can imagine the ratio now is extortionate for parcels and mail volume is down so the length of time to deliver with trolle would probably be a little bit longer.

i think you all need to do the job as it is, on a Mass scale though because years now of RM managers taking advantage and clearly the heart of the job has long gone- and its not just about not using trolleys but also people starting before contracted hours (yes- that winds me up Still, even though i left RM back in December haha)

They needs to be a shift in the attitudes

I heard a few weeks back (not confirmed) that the Royal Mail are going to actuals for pay, ie when you sign in and out being used to calculate pay, so that could cause issues with people either slowing down to make time or not starting ealy like they used to because RM refuse to pay outside contract hours etc....
Also I have noticed at my DO that some people seem to have a lighter load at the moment but will they help me unload vans so I can get out on my next collection run....absolutely not, supposed to be a company of team workers. Going in early to get your rounds done and not signing in until normal time, not claiming it as overtime etc so other employees get it in the neck for being slow etc isn't really being a team player though.

[Hitbox]

Going in early to get your rounds done and not signing in until normal time, not claiming it as overtime etc so other employees get it in the neck for being slow etc isn't really being a team player though.

That bit has Always been in the shop floor at any DO, it's old school way of working and it Needs to be squashed Fully -but there are some who Do NOT change there ways.....

If the PDA actuals are being used- it is More important to push for any type of change to duties if having health issues- some DO's don't listen and maybe this is the time to looking at your health 1st before your workload.....

it's sad to hear that RM is going even more the opposite way to not listen to it's workforce- But it's in the hidden motto of- "If it doesn't make any sense, they'll bring it in".....

Majority of it's issues could be solved from listening and correct input from posties themselves

[qwerty2]

I would be interested in why the PDAs aren't used to monitor the weight each person carries in their daily role. For walking and driving it knows where you are and how long a walk/drive takes, where you hit traffic or have problems with timings indicating something that could be investigated and remedied, ie walking slowly as carrying too much weight....give you a trolley.

Surely with collections and LATs the parcel weights are known as parcels have to be weighed for the post office to decide how much to charge, plus when I have sent parcels the sticker normally has how much it weighs. So when we scan parcels in, perhaps the PDA should say how much weight we have to deliver, or pick up. Doing LATs the heaviest parcel I had was 40kg, I literally had to roll the parcel out of the van onto a trolley. On collections I can take 2 vans of parcels and mail sacks back each day......that's a lot to carry. So having guidelines on how much we are allowed to carry in a specific period before they have to take action may be a way forward......or perhaps just hire the extra people.

Years ago the line manager used to do spot checks and get people to weigh all their bags before going out

[Newandscared]

I would be interested in why the PDAs aren't used to monitor the weight each person carries in their daily role. For walking and driving it knows where you are and how long a walk/drive takes, where you hit traffic or have problems with timings indicating something that could be investigated and remedied, ie walking slowly as carrying too much weight....give you a trolley.

Surely with collections and LATs the parcel weights are known as parcels have to be weighed for the post office to decide how much to charge, plus when I have sent parcels the sticker normally has how much it weighs. So when we scan parcels in, perhaps the PDA should say how much weight we have to deliver, or pick up. Doing LATs the heaviest parcel I had was 40kg, I literally had to roll the parcel out of the van onto a trolley. On collections I can take 2 vans of parcels and mail sacks back each day......that's a lot to carry. So having guidelines on how much we are allowed to carry in a specific period before they have to take action may be a way forward......or perhaps just hire the extra people.

Years ago the line manager used to do spot checks and get people to weigh all their bags before going out

I'm talking about collections though, this week I genuinely must have packed almost 10 tonnes into the van and then unloaded it.Some of the mail bags were so stuffed I couldn't actually pick them up with one hand. Then we're back to the "there's 5 minutes between collections you have to go faster" with no knowledge at all of what the postie has to collect at each place, how far away thy have to park, opening and shutting doors on the property, locking and unloking the van multiplied by how many trips you have to do to get all the parcels/bags.

[Hitbox]

with no knowledge at all of what the postie has to collect at each place, how far away thy have to park, opening and shutting doors on the property, locking and unloking the van multiplied by how many trips you have to do to get all the parcels/bags.

That bit is "Apparently" built into your duty time much like "bundling" is on deliveries....... and cleaning your van/fueling up/ kill-offs/getting rid of last weeks *coughs* a few weeks old D2D's that suddenly spawns under your fitting......

If RM actually opened their eyes up to what you Actually Do on duty whether it be delivery or collection- they'd have a Heart Attack with what is left off their allocated duty time....