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Official: CDC/RMCPP to launch on 7th October

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Re: Official: CDC/RMCPP to launch on 7th October

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Wullie10 wrote:
02 Jul 2024, 06:28
Is it worth starting a new AVC within this scheme as the most I'll put is about 4 years ? My old AVC will now cease and most of that was paid out as a lump sump at 60.
Paying the additional 1% into the DBLS is a no brainer.
Factoring in tax relief and PSE, each £100 going in will only be costing you £36. Nearly tripling your money just by signing up! :thumbup

Info on the new AVC with SW seems a bit thin on the ground, but as already mentioned up thread, it won't be used to fund the lump sum via the new scheme. So presumably your options with that would be drawdown or annuity.
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Re: Official: CDC/RMCPP to launch on 7th October

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RobertT wrote:
02 Jul 2024, 07:56
Wullie10 wrote:
02 Jul 2024, 06:28
Is it worth starting a new AVC within this scheme as the most I'll put is about 4 years ? My old AVC will now cease and most of that was paid out as a lump sump at 60.
Paying the additional 1% into the DBLS is a no brainer.
Factoring in tax relief and PSE, each £100 going in will only be costing you £36. Nearly tripling your money just by signing up! :thumbup

Info on the new AVC with SW seems a bit thin on the ground, but as already mentioned up thread, it won't be used to fund the lump sum via the new scheme. So presumably your options with that would be drawdown or annuity.
at least the LS Booster is guaranteed to keep any increases made.

Whereas AVCs (i.e the annual income element of the CPP) can have it's value reduced... especially if you only start contributing later
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Re: Official: CDC/RMCPP to launch on 7th October

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I presume the two rump AVCs can be combined for a small regular pension . I'm guessing both will be Scottish Widows?
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Re: Official: CDC/RMCPP to launch on 7th October

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Wullie10 wrote:
02 Jul 2024, 09:18
I presume the two rump AVCs can be combined for a small regular pension . I'm guessing both will be Scottish Widows?
SW will be the provider for AVC's via the RMCPP just as they have been with the RMPP for the last few years.

You should be able to combine AVC's from both schemes into one account along with any other DC pensions you may have. That could be with SW or any other pension provider.
You could then drawdown or buy an annuity with that cash.
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Re: Official: CDC/RMCPP to launch on 7th October

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Hi,
Will the cash balance accrued over the last 5 years be automatically transferred into the new fund or will it remain as un crystallised lump sump?
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Re: Official: CDC/RMCPP to launch on 7th October

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martjohn1 wrote:
02 Jul 2024, 17:41
Hi,
Will the cash balance accrued over the last 5 years be automatically transferred into the new fund or will it remain as un crystallised lump sump?
Cheers
The Cash Balance(DBCBS) will have been going for 6.5 years when the new scheme starts in October.

It's part of the RMPP and for section A, B & C members will continue to be used to fund the tax free lump sum with NRA65 benefits. Or else transferred out to a personal pension.

For section F members it will continue to be paid out as stand alone lump sum, with the first 25% being tax free. Or else transferred out to a personal pension.

There have never been any plans to transfer it into the new scheme!
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Re: Official: CDC/RMCPP to launch on 7th October

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RobertT wrote:
01 Jul 2024, 18:15
Hyrrokkin wrote:
01 Jul 2024, 17:24
Looks like AVC's will be done again by Scottish Widows - was hoping they would try a new provider...guessing it will be the same/similar fund choices.
I was hoping for more choice
It looks like there will be 6 funds to chose from: https://digital.feprecisionplus.com/cor ... ory=4rmc23

The main difference with the new AVC's is they can't be used to fund the lump sum when taking your CDC pension, as the DBLS/lump Sum Booster is for that.

You'll effectively be paying into a personal pension(with the benefit of PSE), alongside your RM pension.
I have to say I'm not very impressed with those if they are the AVC funds we can choose from. Fixed income in the "Growth" fund is overly cautious and them being funds then made up of other funds seems unnecessary complicated.
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Re: Official: CDC/RMCPP to launch on 7th October

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I'll say it again , the average age of most postmen does not give these funds any time for any real growth unless of course we a very lucky. Yes it's free money etc but without a decent time span I can't see much enthusiasm for it. I guess there's no real choice but it's not going to be anything outstanding. We could have a bizarre situation of having two Scottish Widows AVC s , invested in the same funds with different objectives. One a lump sum(65) and the other an income ( 2 years later 67)
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Re: Official: CDC/RMCPP to launch on 7th October

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Wullie10 wrote:
02 Jul 2024, 20:38
I'll say it again , the average age of most postmen does not give these funds any time for any real growth unless of course we a very lucky. Yes it's free money etc but without a decent time span I can't see much enthusiasm for it. I guess there's no real choice but it's not going to be anything outstanding. We could have a bizarre situation of having two Scottish Widows AVC s , invested in the same funds with different objectives. One a lump sum(65) and the other an income ( 2 years later 67)
The argument against CDC pensions compared to individual DC schemes, is that they're intergenerationally unfair. But that's actually in favour of the older members, as they're getting the same amount of pension as younger members(assuming equal time paying in), despite being in the scheme for less time overall.

DB pensions and final salary in particular, are regarded as 'gold plated', and the best type of pensions going, but they are also intergenerationally unfair in a similar way.

The RMCPP aims to provide a lump sum and pension broadly similar to section B of the CARE scheme(2008-2018), with increases each year.
Some people think it's got the potential to provide much better returns, while others will only see that it can go down.

Obviously it's very nature means there's going to be good years and bad years, but personally I think if it averages to it's aims over the course of time, that's all you can expect.

Generally speaking you want the value of your AVC account to be as high as possible regardless of what you intend to use it for, with the caveat of any potential tax that might become payable.
The more it's worth the bigger the lump sum, the bigger the drawdown pot, the bigger the annuity!

You can argue that you don't really need an AVC for NRA65 because you have the DBCBS for that. Plus with the ability to transfer out, AVC's could be used to fund an earlier retirement(depending on circumstances) to supplement other pensions or even before they kick in.
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Re: Official: CDC/RMCPP to launch on 7th October

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Jaggs wrote:
02 Jul 2024, 19:21
RobertT wrote:
01 Jul 2024, 18:15
Hyrrokkin wrote:
01 Jul 2024, 17:24
Looks like AVC's will be done again by Scottish Widows - was hoping they would try a new provider...guessing it will be the same/similar fund choices.
I was hoping for more choice
It looks like there will be 6 funds to chose from: https://digital.feprecisionplus.com/cor ... ory=4rmc23

The main difference with the new AVC's is they can't be used to fund the lump sum when taking your CDC pension, as the DBLS/lump Sum Booster is for that.

You'll effectively be paying into a personal pension(with the benefit of PSE), alongside your RM pension.
I have to say I'm not very impressed with those if they are the AVC funds we can choose from. Fixed income in the "Growth" fund is overly cautious and them being funds then made up of other funds seems unnecessary complicated.
Most of those funds seem to be invested in Tech,Government Debt and ESG which in my opinion are high risk.
It's a shame that there's no real choice, the only reason to join the pension is the free money off our employer.