A Royal Mail postman has been caught writing 'racists' on Reform UK leaflets

[richietns]

Because people want less immigration from predominantly 3rd world countries isn’t racism. While immigration can be positive for example my wife emigrated here to work the majority has no benefit to the country at all.

Bring in over 800000 people a year net isn’t healthy for public services and housing stocks. Quite a few who migrate here don’t migrate into British culture either which also annoys people many places for example are just like places from the sub continent but stuck in the middle of a poor working class town.

If you look across Europe and the western world in general immigration is a huge talking point and it really is time western governments did something about it.

The is a reason Reform are doing well is because they are brave enough to talk about the problem with immigration the uni party just want more of the same.

You have extremes in every party because a man who supposedly represents Reform doesn’t like brown people or a Labour supporter hates Jews doesn’t mean the whole party is racist. Personally I think the term racist has lost all credibility similar with the term far right.

Pretty much my thoughts too.

It's a numbers thing, not a race thing, even immigrants themselves think its getting out of hand.

The Left likes to paint anyone opposing as racist, classic Left wing thoughtcrime dog whistling ironic when considering they are the most hypocritical bigots themselves.

I think reform are racist because they have people running their campaign who talk about machine gunning down immigrants in dinghies, talking about knocking down mosques and replacing them with weatherspoons, calling people with brown skin p*kis, talking about ring fencing Bradford and having all the residents there shot, saying ambulance staff should refuse oxygen to anyone with brown skin etc etc. And that is just from one encounter.

Doesn’t sound like it has anything to do with numbers really, but if you want to convince yourself you aren’t voting for a racist party, whatever lets you sleep at night.

You still haven't addressed house and service shortages ability to cooe with increased numbers, why do you think house prices and rent are increasing exponentially, illegal migrants being put in hotels and camps ? You have no solution to offer except cry "Racist" to shut down any debate, that trope is wearing very thin.

Blaming immigrants for everything now. The Daily Mail has a lot to answer for. You’ve been played for a fool. Conditioned by the media to punch down at those worse off than you rather than up at the people milking the country dry. You have more in common with the poor sods coming across on boats than you do with the wealthy.

As to solutions for homes - here is an idea. Make use of all the vacant properties in cities like London, that are owned but never lived in. Last I read over 80,000 in London alone. There is a start.

Then we can have fixed rent agreements with landlords so rent is affordable. Get rid of no fault evictions. Then we can make homes easier to buy for young people by raising their wages and making mortgages actually affordable. Even immigrants could get a foot on the ladder.

How do you raise wages?

‘How do you raise wages?’: currently an 18 year old doing exactly the same job as a 21 year old, will be paid £2.84 per hour less. They can’t take a note to Tesco and ask for cheaper food because they are paid less for doing the same job, nor will a landlord reduce their rent or a utility company give them a discount.

So you can raise the wages of 18-20yr olds by bringing them in line with the National Minimum Wage for 21yrs+.

They get that wage because of the inexperience of youth,apprenticeships work this way it just makes sense you work your way up just like managers wages.

No. A 21 year old is paid the higher rate purely due to age. Experience has nothing to do with it. I began working at 15 and it galled me that I would be training people to do my job and those people were already being paid more than me, solely due to their age.

Yes it's due to age and experience at 21 People develop into adults and so on and so forth.

Thank you for demonstrating that there is no logical reason for an 18 year old to be paid less than a 21 year old, for doing the same job.

You must of misunderstood,age brings experience simple as that.

[Barnacle]

Because people want less immigration from predominantly 3rd world countries isn’t racism. While immigration can be positive for example my wife emigrated here to work the majority has no benefit to the country at all.

Bring in over 800000 people a year net isn’t healthy for public services and housing stocks. Quite a few who migrate here don’t migrate into British culture either which also annoys people many places for example are just like places from the sub continent but stuck in the middle of a poor working class town.

If you look across Europe and the western world in general immigration is a huge talking point and it really is time western governments did something about it.

The is a reason Reform are doing well is because they are brave enough to talk about the problem with immigration the uni party just want more of the same.

You have extremes in every party because a man who supposedly represents Reform doesn’t like brown people or a Labour supporter hates Jews doesn’t mean the whole party is racist. Personally I think the term racist has lost all credibility similar with the term far right.

Pretty much my thoughts too.

It's a numbers thing, not a race thing, even immigrants themselves think its getting out of hand.

The Left likes to paint anyone opposing as racist, classic Left wing thoughtcrime dog whistling ironic when considering they are the most hypocritical bigots themselves.

I think reform are racist because they have people running their campaign who talk about machine gunning down immigrants in dinghies, talking about knocking down mosques and replacing them with weatherspoons, calling people with brown skin p*kis, talking about ring fencing Bradford and having all the residents there shot, saying ambulance staff should refuse oxygen to anyone with brown skin etc etc. And that is just from one encounter.

Doesn’t sound like it has anything to do with numbers really, but if you want to convince yourself you aren’t voting for a racist party, whatever lets you sleep at night.

You still haven't addressed house and service shortages ability to cooe with increased numbers, why do you think house prices and rent are increasing exponentially, illegal migrants being put in hotels and camps ? You have no solution to offer except cry "Racist" to shut down any debate, that trope is wearing very thin.

Blaming immigrants for everything now. The Daily Mail has a lot to answer for. You’ve been played for a fool. Conditioned by the media to punch down at those worse off than you rather than up at the people milking the country dry. You have more in common with the poor sods coming across on boats than you do with the wealthy.

As to solutions for homes - here is an idea. Make use of all the vacant properties in cities like London, that are owned but never lived in. Last I read over 80,000 in London alone. There is a start.

Then we can have fixed rent agreements with landlords so rent is affordable. Get rid of no fault evictions. Then we can make homes easier to buy for young people by raising their wages and making mortgages actually affordable. Even immigrants could get a foot on the ladder.

How do you raise wages?

‘How do you raise wages?’: currently an 18 year old doing exactly the same job as a 21 year old, will be paid £2.84 per hour less. They can’t take a note to Tesco and ask for cheaper food because they are paid less for doing the same job, nor will a landlord reduce their rent or a utility company give them a discount.

So you can raise the wages of 18-20yr olds by bringing them in line with the National Minimum Wage for 21yrs+.

They get that wage because of the inexperience of youth,apprenticeships work this way it just makes sense you work your way up just like managers wages.

No. A 21 year old is paid the higher rate purely due to age. Experience has nothing to do with it. I began working at 15 and it galled me that I would be training people to do my job and those people were already being paid more than me, solely due to their age.

Yes it's due to age and experience at 21 People develop into adults and so on and so forth.

Thank you for demonstrating that there is no logical reason for an 18 year old to be paid less than a 21 year old, for doing the same job.

You must of misunderstood,age brings experience simple as that.

That’s the point. It isn’t as simplistic as that. All age does that is a dead cert, is bring age.

[richietns]

Because people want less immigration from predominantly 3rd world countries isn’t racism. While immigration can be positive for example my wife emigrated here to work the majority has no benefit to the country at all.

Bring in over 800000 people a year net isn’t healthy for public services and housing stocks. Quite a few who migrate here don’t migrate into British culture either which also annoys people many places for example are just like places from the sub continent but stuck in the middle of a poor working class town.

If you look across Europe and the western world in general immigration is a huge talking point and it really is time western governments did something about it.

The is a reason Reform are doing well is because they are brave enough to talk about the problem with immigration the uni party just want more of the same.

You have extremes in every party because a man who supposedly represents Reform doesn’t like brown people or a Labour supporter hates Jews doesn’t mean the whole party is racist. Personally I think the term racist has lost all credibility similar with the term far right.

Pretty much my thoughts too.

It's a numbers thing, not a race thing, even immigrants themselves think its getting out of hand.

The Left likes to paint anyone opposing as racist, classic Left wing thoughtcrime dog whistling ironic when considering they are the most hypocritical bigots themselves.

I think reform are racist because they have people running their campaign who talk about machine gunning down immigrants in dinghies, talking about knocking down mosques and replacing them with weatherspoons, calling people with brown skin p*kis, talking about ring fencing Bradford and having all the residents there shot, saying ambulance staff should refuse oxygen to anyone with brown skin etc etc. And that is just from one encounter.

Doesn’t sound like it has anything to do with numbers really, but if you want to convince yourself you aren’t voting for a racist party, whatever lets you sleep at night.

You still haven't addressed house and service shortages ability to cooe with increased numbers, why do you think house prices and rent are increasing exponentially, illegal migrants being put in hotels and camps ? You have no solution to offer except cry "Racist" to shut down any debate, that trope is wearing very thin.

Blaming immigrants for everything now. The Daily Mail has a lot to answer for. You’ve been played for a fool. Conditioned by the media to punch down at those worse off than you rather than up at the people milking the country dry. You have more in common with the poor sods coming across on boats than you do with the wealthy.

As to solutions for homes - here is an idea. Make use of all the vacant properties in cities like London, that are owned but never lived in. Last I read over 80,000 in London alone. There is a start.

Then we can have fixed rent agreements with landlords so rent is affordable. Get rid of no fault evictions. Then we can make homes easier to buy for young people by raising their wages and making mortgages actually affordable. Even immigrants could get a foot on the ladder.

How do you raise wages?

‘How do you raise wages?’: currently an 18 year old doing exactly the same job as a 21 year old, will be paid £2.84 per hour less. They can’t take a note to Tesco and ask for cheaper food because they are paid less for doing the same job, nor will a landlord reduce their rent or a utility company give them a discount.

So you can raise the wages of 18-20yr olds by bringing them in line with the National Minimum Wage for 21yrs+.

They get that wage because of the inexperience of youth,apprenticeships work this way it just makes sense you work your way up just like managers wages.

No. A 21 year old is paid the higher rate purely due to age. Experience has nothing to do with it. I began working at 15 and it galled me that I would be training people to do my job and those people were already being paid more than me, solely due to their age.

Yes it's due to age and experience at 21 People develop into adults and so on and so forth.

Thank you for demonstrating that there is no logical reason for an 18 year old to be paid less than a 21 year old, for doing the same job.

You must of misunderstood,age brings experience simple as that.

That’s the point. It isn’t as simplistic as that. All age does that is a dead cert, is bring age.

The older you grow the more you learn obviously a 15 year old hasn't learnt as much as the 21 year apart from exceptional people,so it makes sense to pay more for experience what do you think school or university is,if everyone had immediate experience they wouldn't exist.

[Barnacle]

Blaming immigrants for everything now. The Daily Mail has a lot to answer for. You’ve been played for a fool. Conditioned by the media to punch down at those worse off than you rather than up at the people milking the country dry. You have more in common with the poor sods coming across on boats than you do with the wealthy.

As to solutions for homes - here is an idea. Make use of all the vacant properties in cities like London, that are owned but never lived in. Last I read over 80,000 in London alone. There is a start.

Then we can have fixed rent agreements with landlords so rent is affordable. Get rid of no fault evictions. Then we can make homes easier to buy for young people by raising their wages and making mortgages actually affordable. Even immigrants could get a foot on the ladder.

How do you raise wages?

‘How do you raise wages?’: currently an 18 year old doing exactly the same job as a 21 year old, will be paid £2.84 per hour less. They can’t take a note to Tesco and ask for cheaper food because they are paid less for doing the same job, nor will a landlord reduce their rent or a utility company give them a discount.

So you can raise the wages of 18-20yr olds by bringing them in line with the National Minimum Wage for 21yrs+.

They get that wage because of the inexperience of youth,apprenticeships work this way it just makes sense you work your way up just like managers wages.

No. A 21 year old is paid the higher rate purely due to age. Experience has nothing to do with it. I began working at 15 and it galled me that I would be training people to do my job and those people were already being paid more than me, solely due to their age.

Yes it's due to age and experience at 21 People develop into adults and so on and so forth.

Thank you for demonstrating that there is no logical reason for an 18 year old to be paid less than a 21 year old, for doing the same job.

You must of misunderstood,age brings experience simple as that.

That’s the point. It isn’t as simplistic as that. All age does that is a dead cert, is bring age.

The older you grow the more you learn obviously a 15 year old hasn't learnt as much as the 21 year apart from exceptional people,so it makes sense to pay more for experience what do you think school or university is,if everyone had immediate experience they wouldn't exist.

Again, being 21 doesn’t instantly make you more experienced and knowledgeable of the world and the world of work, than an 18 year old who may have been working for several years and left home at 16.

The age is knowledge excuse to pay young adults less is an absolute nonsense.

[richietns]

Blaming immigrants for everything now. The Daily Mail has a lot to answer for. You’ve been played for a fool. Conditioned by the media to punch down at those worse off than you rather than up at the people milking the country dry. You have more in common with the poor sods coming across on boats than you do with the wealthy.

As to solutions for homes - here is an idea. Make use of all the vacant properties in cities like London, that are owned but never lived in. Last I read over 80,000 in London alone. There is a start.

Then we can have fixed rent agreements with landlords so rent is affordable. Get rid of no fault evictions. Then we can make homes easier to buy for young people by raising their wages and making mortgages actually affordable. Even immigrants could get a foot on the ladder.

How do you raise wages?

‘How do you raise wages?’: currently an 18 year old doing exactly the same job as a 21 year old, will be paid £2.84 per hour less. They can’t take a note to Tesco and ask for cheaper food because they are paid less for doing the same job, nor will a landlord reduce their rent or a utility company give them a discount.

So you can raise the wages of 18-20yr olds by bringing them in line with the National Minimum Wage for 21yrs+.

They get that wage because of the inexperience of youth,apprenticeships work this way it just makes sense you work your way up just like managers wages.

No. A 21 year old is paid the higher rate purely due to age. Experience has nothing to do with it. I began working at 15 and it galled me that I would be training people to do my job and those people were already being paid more than me, solely due to their age.

Yes it's due to age and experience at 21 People develop into adults and so on and so forth.

Thank you for demonstrating that there is no logical reason for an 18 year old to be paid less than a 21 year old, for doing the same job.

You must of misunderstood,age brings experience simple as that.

That’s the point. It isn’t as simplistic as that. All age does that is a dead cert, is bring age.

The older you grow the more you learn obviously a 15 year old hasn't learnt as much as the 21 year apart from exceptional people,so it makes sense to pay more for experience what do you think school or university is,if everyone had immediate experience they wouldn't exist.

Again, being 21 doesn’t instantly make you more experienced and knowledgeable of the world and the world of work, than an 18 year old who may have been working for several years and left home at 16.

The age is knowledge excuse to pay young adults less is an absolute nonsense.

Ovcourse it does a typical 21 year old is gonna have 3 years more experience in life in general never mind your 15 year old fully experienced child crap.

[richietns]

Now we going of thread

[Barnacle]

Can you explain which bills are lower because you are over 18 but under 21?

You only need to watch an episode of Love Island to conclude that age does not equal intelligence or worldliness.

Equal pay for equal work means that if you are doing the same job, employers should be legally bound to pay you the same wage as the older person next to you.

[richietns]

Can you explain which bills are lower because you are over 18 but under 21?

You only need to watch an episode of Love Island to conclude that age does not equal intelligence or worldliness.

Equal pay for equal work means that if you are doing the same job, employers should be legally bound to pay you the same wage as the older person next to you.

What 18 year old has a house most of them are at college,inturns,just started a job gaining experience,apprenticeships etc they still live with there parents especially with the housing crisis,what you are doing is muddling experience MOST people at 18 dont have as much as a 21 year old obviously your gonna get exeptions and thats what your clinging on to.

[Barnacle]

Can you explain which bills are lower because you are over 18 but under 21?

You only need to watch an episode of Love Island to conclude that age does not equal intelligence or worldliness.

Equal pay for equal work means that if you are doing the same job, employers should be legally bound to pay you the same wage as the older person next to you.

What 18 year old has a house most of them are at college,inturns,just started a job gaining experience,apprenticeships etc they still live with there parents especially with the housing crisis,what you are doing is muddling experience MOST people at 18 dont have as much as a 21 year old obviously your gonna get exeptions and thats what your clinging on to.

You realise that the same nonsensical arguments were used to stop women from being paid the same as men to do the same job?

There is no argument to justify paying one person less than another to do the same job.

[richietns]

Can you explain which bills are lower because you are over 18 but under 21?

You only need to watch an episode of Love Island to conclude that age does not equal intelligence or worldliness.

Equal pay for equal work means that if you are doing the same job, employers should be legally bound to pay you the same wage as the older person next to you.

What 18 year old has a house most of them are at college,inturns,just started a job gaining experience,apprenticeships etc they still live with there parents especially with the housing crisis,what you are doing is muddling experience MOST people at 18 dont have as much as a 21 year old obviously your gonna get exeptions and thats what your clinging on to.

You realise that the same nonsensical arguments were used to stop women from being paid the same as men to do the same job?

There is no argument to justify paying one person less than another to do the same job.

Thats not what we were debating,again muddying the waters.most people haven't got experience when they leave school for a job,a company isn't going to payan 18 year old who can't do the job as good as the 21 year old who by that time has earned his experience,now if your talk older than that then I agree ,you leftys just want everything given.

[Barnacle]

Can you explain which bills are lower because you are over 18 but under 21?

You only need to watch an episode of Love Island to conclude that age does not equal intelligence or worldliness.

Equal pay for equal work means that if you are doing the same job, employers should be legally bound to pay you the same wage as the older person next to you.

What 18 year old has a house most of them are at college,inturns,just started a job gaining experience,apprenticeships etc they still live with there parents especially with the housing crisis,what you are doing is muddling experience MOST people at 18 dont have as much as a 21 year old obviously your gonna get exeptions and thats what your clinging on to.

You realise that the same nonsensical arguments were used to stop women from being paid the same as men to do the same job?

There is no argument to justify paying one person less than another to do the same job.

Thats not what we were debating,again muddying the waters.most people haven't got experience when they leave school for a job,a company isn't going to payan 18 year old who can't do the job as good as the 21 year old who by that time has earned his experience,now if your talk older than that then I agree ,you leftys just want everything given.

You are missing the point. A 21 year old who has been locked in a box can walk into a job and be paid more than an 18 year old who may have been doing the job for 2 years by then. The ONLY reason the 21 year old will be paid more is their age. Nothing whatsoever to do with experience.

[richietns]

Can you explain which bills are lower because you are over 18 but under 21?

You only need to watch an episode of Love Island to conclude that age does not equal intelligence or worldliness.

Equal pay for equal work means that if you are doing the same job, employers should be legally bound to pay you the same wage as the older person next to you.

What 18 year old has a house most of them are at college,inturns,just started a job gaining experience,apprenticeships etc they still live with there parents especially with the housing crisis,what you are doing is muddling experience MOST people at 18 dont have as much as a 21 year old obviously your gonna get exeptions and thats what your clinging on to.

You realise that the same nonsensical arguments were used to stop women from being paid the same as men to do the same job?

There is no argument to justify paying one person less than another to do the same job.

Thats not what we were debating,again muddying the waters.most people haven't got experience when they leave school for a job,a company isn't going to payan 18 year old who can't do the job as good as the 21 year old who by that time has earned his experience,now if your talk older than that then I agree ,you leftys just want everything given.

You are missing the point. A 21 year old who has been locked in a box can walk into a job and be paid more than an 18 year old who may have been doing the job for 2 years by then. The ONLY reason the 21 year old will be paid more is their age. Nothing whatsoever to do with experience.

If a person has been locked in box the manager wouldn't give him a job are at least wouldnt if he was a decent manager he would ask why his CV has absolutely no experience on it thats why we have such things as cv's.

[mjd24]

The topics fine its in line with the title its when people call others racist just like the man who wrote on the leaflet because there ideology doesn't fit.

Not every Reform candidate and supporter are racist, but id guess most racists will be Reform supporters.

Your proving my point.

Do you disagree that most racists will vote for Reform?

[mjd24]

The topics fine its in line with the title its when people call others racist just like the man who wrote on the leaflet because there ideology doesn't fit.

Not every Reform candidate and supporter are racist, but id guess most racists will be Reform supporters.

Or equally you could say that not every Labour candidate or supporter is an antisemite, but most antisemites will be Labour supporters.

Right, okkkkk.

[milly]

The topics fine its in line with the title its when people call others racist just like the man who wrote on the leaflet because there ideology doesn't fit.

Not every Reform candidate and supporter are racist, but id guess most racists will be Reform supporters.

Your proving my point.

Do you disagree that most racists will vote for Reform?

I have just watched Zia Yusuf recieve a fantastic reception at today's Reform rally by those racists Reform supporters.
He was brilliant!