New extrants on higher hourly overtime rate

[mattick]

• Pay that’s 10% above the market average in our sector, paid monthly with an hourly rate of £14.59p/hr
• Overtime 1.25x the normal hourly rate

The above extract was taken from a Royal Mail job listing based in London. The overtime rate for a new extrant if I'm doing my maths correctly would be

£18.23 per hour

I'm also based in London, so on my payslip I'm payed

£13.14 for the first 10 hours, and

£12.69 after 10 hours.

Anyone above the personel allowence threshold and paying 20% tax and 12% NI on their hourly ovetime rate would be earning

£12.39 for a new entrant, and
£8.93 for shall we say legacy workers.

That's a £3.46 hourly difference, or new entrants are payed 38.7% more per hour on overtime then existing OPG's.

Outside of London, job listings indicate new staff are payed

£12.29 per hour, with overtime (1.25x) £15.36.

I don't know what the hourly overtime rate is for existing OPG's outside London, but I'm guessing it's not £15.36 per hour.

If I'm earning 40% less then the new guy next to me doing overtime, don't think I'll be doing much this Xmas.

[Haditup]

I saw the same overtime rate for a Barnsley DO vacancy ,only 25 hr contract so guessing you will have to work 40 hrs to reach 1.25 overtime rate?
Don’t think they get paid for breaks too.

[Dexydog]

I don't think it's entirely fair to just compare hourly rates.
Add 10% pension and holidays and that would likely push ours higher than those advertised.
Edit- in reference to agency only.

[mattick]

I don't think it's entirely fair to just compare hourly rates.
Add 10% pension and holidays and that would likely push ours higher than those advertised.

Wouldn't that push there's higher as well? quite sure new entrants can't be denied a pension and holiday, as much as Royal Mail would love to do that

[Dexydog]

I don't think it's entirely fair to just compare hourly rates.
Add 10% pension and holidays and that would likely push ours higher than those advertised.

Wouldn't that push there's higher as well? quite sure new entrants can't be denied a pension and holiday, as much as Royal Mail would love to do that

Apologies I was referring more to agency.
1st year new entrants get a bit less I always thought.
I would guess the overtime rate will kick in at 40 hours.
Who really knows these days with our multi tiered workforce.

[SMS1969]

New entrants overtime starts after 40 hours.
They don’t get paid breaks.
They don’t get a delivery supplement.
Royal Mail pay only 3% into their pension after 3 months, which changes to up to 10% nine months later, depending on what the employee pays in.
Great.

[Jinder]

It’s well deserved considering their crappy terms on the new contracts. Some people are just so petty

[mattick]

New entrants overtime starts after 40 hours.
They don’t get paid breaks.
They don’t get a delivery supplement.
Royal Mail pay only 3% into their pension after 3 months, which changes to up to 10% nine months later, depending on what the employee pays in.
Great.

I knew about the delivery supplements, not about the unpaid lunch breaks. If someone is on a 30 hour contract, what do they get paid for the first 10 hours until they reach 40 then?

[SMS1969]

New entrants overtime starts after 40 hours.
They don’t get paid breaks.
They don’t get a delivery supplement.
Royal Mail pay only 3% into their pension after 3 months, which changes to up to 10% nine months later, depending on what the employee pays in.
Great.

I knew about the delivery supplements, not about the unpaid lunch breaks. If someone is on a 30 hour contract, what do they get paid for the first 10 hours until they reach 40 then?

£12.29

[mattick]

It’s well deserved considering their crappy terms on the new contracts. Some people are just so petty

Petty how? if I worked a 70 hour week and a new starter worked a 70 hour week

Adding on 10x £13.14, 23x £12.69 overtime to my basic wages (with delivery supplements) I end up with a gross wage of

£1039

If a new starter works 40x £14.59 + 30x £18.23, they end up with a weekly gross wage of

£1130

[TopperGas]

You also have to include the 40 mins per day paid breaks the new starters don't get paid which is approx £36 per week, no idea of the pension position but existing staff may well receive more attractive pension contributions.

I assume there's nothing stopping anybody asking to be transferred to a new style contract??

[P13]

It’s well deserved considering their crappy terms on the new contracts. Some people are just so petty

Petty how? if I worked a 70 hour week and a new starter worked a 70 hour week

Adding on 10x £13.14, 23x £12.69 overtime to my basic wages (with delivery supplements) I end up with a gross wage of

£1039

If a new starter works 40x £14.59 + 30x £18.23, they end up with a weekly gross wage of

£1130

The new start will be working the 70 hours , you won't be actually working 70 hours because your are paid to have a break every day

[P13]

You also have to include the 40 mins per day paid breaks the new starters don't get paid which is approx £36 per week

The break will be more than 40 minutes a day if someone works a 70 hour week

[enskied]

Who cares ? Let them have it.

[mattick]

It’s well deserved considering their crappy terms on the new contracts. Some people are just so petty

Petty how? if I worked a 70 hour week and a new starter worked a 70 hour week

Adding on 10x £13.14, 23x £12.69 overtime to my basic wages (with delivery supplements) I end up with a gross wage of

£1039

If a new starter works 40x £14.59 + 30x £18.23, they end up with a weekly gross wage of

£1130

The new start will be working the 70 hours , you won't be actually working 70 hours because your are paid to have a break every day

Unpaid breaks don't count towards your working day, it's not uncommon for new entrants to take their break before coming in. When this new deal ends in 2 years, I don't think we will have paid breaks anymore