RMCtv : One-off lump sum payment being paid to each employee in September confirmed as 1,007

[mjd24]

Will apprentices get the payment?

[scotchy1962]

The MC sell out bonus.

MC and RDC staff combined are outnumbered by delivery staff by at least 2:1, it's more likely these days to be 3:1. The deal was voted in by delivery staff, we (MC & RDC staff combined) effectively didn't have any say in it

Delivery has been decimated over the last 10 years. No full time positions have been filled or replaced, that left a sizable part time workforce that had nothing to gain. They are never getting their hours increased, never going to earn full bonuses, even though they are doing the majority of the delivery.

The only thing left for them was a bribe, Which they unfortunately took .

You guy should know better...

It wasn't a bribe, that is hyperbole. It was a lump sum plain and simple, generously granted from the pension scheme, from a self defeating strike position that wasn't serving anybody.
Even David Ward, Terry Pullinger and the CWU came to realise that eventually.
This loose talk of blood money and bribes is Fake News.

It was and is the very definition of a bribe, a payment in return for your vote to get a crap agreement over the line.
At least recognise it for what it was!
I am very much over the vote, but some people's delusional idea that the money wasn't the reason for the yes winning leads me to doubt they are anything other than company stooges.

[N|M]

The money from the pension pot should not have been made public until after the vote was done and dusted imo as like scotchy said it might have just tippped those that were going to vote no into a yes or those that were not going to vote into voting.

Regardless of what dept within RM we all work in we need to start working along and hold those above accountable rather than let them see us all fighting among ourselfs.

[SpacePhoenix]

The MC sell out bonus.

MC and RDC staff combined are outnumbered by delivery staff by at least 2:1, it's more likely these days to be 3:1. The deal was voted in by delivery staff, we (MC & RDC staff combined) effectively didn't have any say in it

Delivery has been decimated over the last 10 years. No full time positions have been filled or replaced, that left a sizable part time workforce that had nothing to gain. They are never getting their hours increased, never going to earn full bonuses, even though they are doing the majority of the delivery.

The only thing left for them was a bribe, Which they unfortunately took .

You guy should know better...

A sizeable chunk of MC staff are agency/casuals, deliveries still outnumber MC and RDC staff combined by at least 2:1

[Woody Guthrie]

The money from the pension pot should not have been made public until after the vote was done and dusted imo as like scotchy said it might have just tippped those that were going to vote no into a yes or those that were not going to vote into voting.

Had the vote gone the other way it's doubtful the payment would have been made. In fact it's doubtful most members would even have been aware of its existence until after it had been used to shore up Royal Mail's industrial action "recovery".

Are you seriously suggesting that members should have been kept in the dark about the possibility of recouping over a thousand pounds which roughly equates to what most people lost through striking?

Had that got out the union would quite rightly been hung, drawn and quartered.

[postslippete]

Had the vote gone the other way it's doubtful the payment would have been made. In fact it's doubtful most members would even have been aware of its existence until after it had been used to shore up Royal Mail's industrial action "recovery".

Are you seriously suggesting that members should have been kept in the dark about the possibility of recouping over a thousand pounds which roughly equates to what most people lost through striking?

Had that got out the union would quite rightly been hung, drawn and quartered.

Confirmation bias?

It was Royal Mail that suggested the profit share last year in the negotiations and although Dave Ward mentioned about the money being in the pension escrow, - was it really the Unions idea? Royal Mail would only ever agree to it if there were some big concessions made.

[Woody Guthrie]

I'm not sure you understand what confirmation bias is Pete.. the escrow money is nothing to do with profit share.

I have no doubt that Royal Mail introduced the escrow money as a sweetener but I also have no doubt without an agreement they would instead have used that money to offset any industrial action we may have taken.

That's not confirmation bias, it's a dose of reality.

[N|M]

The money from the pension pot should not have been made public until after the vote was done and dusted imo as like scotchy said it might have just tippped those that were going to vote no into a yes or those that were not going to vote into voting.

Had the vote gone the other way it's doubtful the payment would have been made. In fact it's doubtful most members would even have been aware of its existence until after it had been used to shore up Royal Mail's industrial action "recovery".

Are you seriously suggesting that members should have been kept in the dark about the possibility of recouping over a thousand pounds which roughly equates to what most people lost through striking?

Had that got out the union would quite rightly been hung, drawn and quartered.

No i do not think we the members should be in the dark ever about these sort of things, and you could be right that if things went RM way we may not have even known but with all the anger on how the vote went, maybe it would have been better to vote not knowing there was an extra £900~ in the deal, as that to some was deemed a bribe for votes.

[Woody Guthrie]

maybe it would have been better to vote not knowing there was an extra £900~ in the deal, as that to some was deemed a bribe for votes.

All of the reward section of the deal could also be considered a bribe.
The pay rise.
The back pay.
The £500 lump sum.
And the £900+

You could argue that the change and reward should have been subject to separate votes but that would be ridiculous and no-one would ever vote for change.

The only way was to put everything out there and let people decide for themselves.

[Dexydog]

maybe it would have been better to vote not knowing there was an extra £900~ in the deal, as that to some was deemed a bribe for votes.

All of the reward section of the deal could also be considered a bribe.
The pay rise.
The back pay.
The £500 lump sum.
And the £900+

You could argue that the change and reward should have been subject to separate votes but that would be ridiculous and no-one would ever vote for change.

The only way was to put everything out there and let people decide for themselves.

Why is it so ridiculous to have a separate vote for pay and change?
My other half received a 6% pay rise in April without giving up anything in return.
My daughter works in a small, family run dental practice- pay rise without even asking this year, and a nice unexpected bonus to go with it.
The union's first approach was to get a no strings pay deal.
Whatever happened to that?
Why should a pay rise be considered so out of the question when the cost of everything(i ncluding stamps) has gone up so much?
It's always us giving up something in return for what most other people in other industries are given without question.
If this company wasn't run by imbeciles pandering to shareholders the whole time (who incidently have no idea how much money is wasted through inefficiencies)., maybe we would all be better, healthier, and not arguing between ourselves the whole time.
The work environment s toxic.
The company ethos is to grind its workforce into the ground.
All the while ripping off customers by delaying a service which has been paid for upfront.
We have the infrastructure and customer base to blow the competition away.
But we continually blow away every advantage we have.
No.1 should be a workforce that is motivated and willing to help make a profit which everyone shares in.
Instead they choose to isolate and turn what most folk here used to care what happens into a workforce that looks at how it is now treated and behaves accordingly.
The company is a complete joke.

[Valentina@1]

[scotchy1962]

maybe it would have been better to vote not knowing there was an extra £900~ in the deal, as that to some was deemed a bribe for votes.

All of the reward section of the deal could also be considered a bribe.
The pay rise.
The back pay.
The £500 lump sum.
And the £900+

You could argue that the change and reward should have been subject to separate votes but that would be ridiculous and no-one would ever vote for change.

The only way was to put everything out there and let people decide for themselves.

Why is it so ridiculous to have a separate vote for pay and change?
My other half received a 6% pay rise in April without giving up anything in return.
My daughter works in a small, family run dental practice- pay rise without even asking this year, and a nice unexpected bonus to go with it.
The union's first approach was to get a no strings pay deal.
Whatever happened to that?
Why should a pay rise be considered so out of the question when the cost of everything(i ncluding stamps) has gone up so much?
It's always us giving up something in return for what most other people in other industries are given without question.
If this company wasn't run by imbeciles pandering to shareholders the whole time (who incidently have no idea how much money is wasted through inefficiencies)., maybe we would all be better, healthier, and not arguing between ourselves the whole time.
The work environment s toxic.
The company ethos is to grind its workforce into the ground.
All the while ripping off customers by delaying a service which has been paid for upfront.
We have the infrastructure and customer base to blow the competition away.
But we continually blow away every advantage we have.
No.1 should be a workforce that is motivated and willing to help make a profit which everyone shares in.
Instead they choose to isolate and turn what most folk here used to care what happens into a workforce that looks at how it is now treated and behaves accordingly.
The company is a complete joke.

Dexy everything you say is correct, unfortunately like any privatised company they haven't finished creaming out all the money they invested in the first place.
Just as soon as they have enough in their pockets they might decide too have a look at the workforce and might wonder where they all fecked off too.
Except for Lou and Aiden i would imagine they would be still be here completing and loving working for RM.

[Woody Guthrie]

Why is it so ridiculous to have a separate vote for pay and change?

I can't believe you're even asking that.
Who's going to vote for change on its own?

[Tman]

Presumably he feels that RM should behave like the mentioned dental practice and give all staff a pay rise...just because it's a nice thing to do.
Sadly a listed company going through convulsions like RM is currently would never do anything as naive as that.

[Dexydog]

My point is why should we auto.atically give up something every time there are pay talks?
It's inflation.
If we give something, they give something back.
Why is that so offensive?
Yes it's a company with shareholders.
So what?
What happens when they next take extra leave, all allowances, and yes, paid meal breaks?
Thats next- for another below inflation pay rise.
Eventually no-one will want to work for RM, then where will the shareholders get their dividends from?
Just because a company is private, doesn't mean to say it should treat its employees like they do now.
A happy, well paid and valued workforce is the route to success.
If people on here can't see that, especially not union reps, then we might as well throw in the towel now.