Our manager has decided (for context, unilaterally) to implement a new rota system starting early next month, and has served us all 28 days notice on a sparsely worded piece of paper.
Even though it is due to commence in a few weeks time, he can't tell the office what that rota will look like - other than everyone will now work longer every day for 4 weeks to buy an extra day off every 5th week, which incidentally, no-one wants, but apparently the office has no vote or say on it. It's a fait accomplis. He says that all our 4 day cover duties (of which mine is one) will be no more and that we would have to accept being made up to 5 days and more hours if we want to have a place on that rota - and thus, by implication, a job at that office. Unfortunately, this isn't something I need or would want.
My question is, in this situation, is volunteering for redundancy something the company would entertain? Given that my duty is no longer required and I'm unwilling to accept a change of contract. I understand there are various things I can do should they try to force the change on us, working under protest, or refusing to work the new hours, the constructive dismissal route yada yada yada... But I'd much rather keep it simple, spare the conflict and leave with agreement.
For an added complication, being part of the Share Partnership and Matching scheme, leaving after quitting or being dismissed would mean a taxable event costing ~2K, whereas being made redundant is classed as a "good leaver" which is not subject to tax. So obviously, while just quitting would normally be the answer, I'd rather avoid this.
So can I offer to be made redundant rather than accept a new contract, and what could I do to increase the likelihood they would accept that?
Ta.
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Duty removed, is redundancy an option?
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einastronaut
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Foxel
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Re: Duty removed, is redundancy an option?
I doubt they will allow redundancy, if they know you are not happy they'd rather push you to leave.
Unless you agree to the change or your contact specifically says they can change your hours then I believe they cannot force you to. What they can do is move you off your duty and have you do whatever is "reasonable".
Working longer to get an extra day off on the 5th week sound horrid.
Unless you agree to the change or your contact specifically says they can change your hours then I believe they cannot force you to. What they can do is move you off your duty and have you do whatever is "reasonable".
Working longer to get an extra day off on the 5th week sound horrid.
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SpacePhoenix
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Re: Duty removed, is redundancy an option?
We have a few 4 night duties in our MC, I can see them being axed and all being made into 5 night duties with separate weekend duties at some point, especially if Tracked at weekends takes off
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einastronaut
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Re: Duty removed, is redundancy an option?
"What they can do is move you off your duty and have you do whatever is "reasonable"."
Yeah, this is what I figured. That's why I'd rather leave.
It's now a poor employer by design; operating on a blend of relentless incompetence, tedious abuse and needless gaslighting. Everything they say and do suggests they want rid of everyone on the (now) legacy contracts and are daily trying to make that happen. I'd be happy to oblige if it was facilitated in such a way that it spared a costly tax bill for doing so. I'd even be amenable to waiving any redundancy payment so that it would be resigning in all but name.
Yeah, this is what I figured. That's why I'd rather leave.
It's now a poor employer by design; operating on a blend of relentless incompetence, tedious abuse and needless gaslighting. Everything they say and do suggests they want rid of everyone on the (now) legacy contracts and are daily trying to make that happen. I'd be happy to oblige if it was facilitated in such a way that it spared a costly tax bill for doing so. I'd even be amenable to waiving any redundancy payment so that it would be resigning in all but name.
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scotchy1962
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Re: Duty removed, is redundancy an option?
Firstly are you in the union?
If you are get them involved and see if their input has any outcome.
If not in the union get a copy of your contract of employment and see if you can make enough sense of it to put your argument across to the manager.
It would surprise you how often, when a manager is just chancing their arm, by calling their bluff they quickly back down and become reasonable.
Or take your contract to a employment lawyer and let them give their opinion.
Whatever way it goes fight your own corner and don't be intimidated, you are talking about having to leave anyway so why not give them a problem.
Last i looked you can't be sacked for standing up for yourself.
If you are get them involved and see if their input has any outcome.
If not in the union get a copy of your contract of employment and see if you can make enough sense of it to put your argument across to the manager.
It would surprise you how often, when a manager is just chancing their arm, by calling their bluff they quickly back down and become reasonable.
Or take your contract to a employment lawyer and let them give their opinion.
Whatever way it goes fight your own corner and don't be intimidated, you are talking about having to leave anyway so why not give them a problem.
Last i looked you can't be sacked for standing up for yourself.
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Sbutts8182
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Re: Duty removed, is redundancy an option?
They are not going to pay you off to leave. What’s been your unions rep input in this, have you raised it higher up the food chain, has anyone put in a grievance. What are your managers reasonings for the changes?