The vote is in : 75.8% yes

[Nickvilla20]

The only positive is that union managed to secure jobs and there will be job with Royal Mail if people want them.

Eh? There were already a 10,000 reduction in staff from the year before. What do you mean by secure jobs? Please don't tell me that you were taken in by the no compulsory redundancies malarkey. The company already did a massive VR exercise and they were oversubscribed!!!

Only people they want rid of are indoor staff as they have now changed CSPs hours.

And I very much doubt that many people will want the job having seen what royal mail have in store. They want the gig economy

I wasn’t taken in by anything I don’t believe a word this company says. They’ve been trying to reduce indoor hours for years I was late turn reserve at my old office and the duties I used to cover slowly got axed over time.

I agree with you new people won’t stay in this job it’s more like the older staff who will hence the job security. They may want the gig economy but putting that into reality is a completely different thing.

[jahbalon]

A lot of scaremongering and pessimism on this thread.

Why can't some people just be happy that our CWU Union secured all our jobs, got us a fair deal, and negotiated us all a significant lump sum payment, in such very difficult circumstances, and having to deal with a very hostile Simon Thompson.

If we all pull together, and hopefully with a more understanding and forward thinking CEO in place, we can turn this company around, and all share equally in the profits and dividends that would bring in a brighter future.

Lets be optimistic and focussed on building together a better deal and future for all postal workers and revitalise the company.

They have not secured all our jobs because in a sense people are leaving on a daily basis due to management bullying and harassment ,

They have not got us a fair deal , 10% over 3 years is not a fair deal ,

They only got the lump sum (bribe) because rm and cwu knew it would be a no vote without it .

It wasn't a bribe, wrong terminology, it was an incentive, all private companies do it, Royal Mail is no different.

I don't accept there is management bullying and harassment, read my other post on the Woke Crowd.
If you do your job right in a professional way with a sense of self respect, the management won't bother you.
It was a fair deal in my opinion whatever way you want to cut it. 75.8% postal workers agreed it was.
Anybody can twist the facts to suit their own hidden agenda.
A company that is losing £1M a day, exacerbated by pointless and ultimately failed strikes, which were wholey avoidable with a little bit of goodwill and compromise on both sides, in the middle of a terrible recession, energy, price and mortgage hikes, and rising inflation.
6% pay rise is not bad considering those facts.
What do you want ? Jam on it ?
Then get off your striking butts and work harder for it the next round of pay talks.

Were YOU on strike?

Of course I was on strike. I am a union man.
But it could and should have been handled better, a strike could have been avoided.
It was touch and go at one time. That is how near we were all to a settlement.
A long, divisive and ultimately failed strike only served to embitter and frustrate the staff, and entrench Royal Mail's position.
Hard Lessons have to be learned for the future including the CWU hierarchy and the new boss at Royal Mail.

Kinda odd for someone who claims to be a 'union man' and participated in the strikes to post ''get off your striking butts and work harder'' dont you think?

Not really. In context, I was reluctant to strike, as I think there was many of us.
Simple reason ? You should only strike if it is a last resort and negotiations are completely deadlocked, and more importantly have devised a winning strategy and battle plan for your strike well beforehand.

Arthur Scargill took the miners out on a disastrous and bloody strike in the middle of summer when the NCB had reserve coal stacks at a record high, it was a pathetic strike campaign that ended in abject defeat, with tens of thousands of miners losing their jobs and hundreds of coal pits closed forever.

Tom Jackson took us posties out in a similar disastrous strike in 71 without strike pay, and also without a winning strategy and battle plan, and we ended up totally defeated and having being forced to accept an even worse settlement than we were offered before the ill fated strike.

I say reluctantly because I knew this strike would have a similar disastrous fate. You don't take on your bosses in the middle of a deep recession, huge energy and price hikes, soaring inflation and high unemployment, and your company losing £1M down the drain everyday, and your own workforce bearing an unbearable financial strain, and with numerous business competitors only too willing to steal your trade and brand.

As I alluded to before, it should never have come to this.

[Acca Dacca]

I didnt ask if you wanted to go on strike. I asked if you went on strike. And you said you did.

So yes, ''get off your striking butts and work harder'' is a very strange comment to make

If the union call another strike in the future will you support it or cross the picket line?

[k979aaa]

Managers did not go on strike!

[jahbalon]

I didnt ask if you wanted to go on strike. I asked if you went on strike. And you said you did.

So yes, ''get off your striking butts and work harder'' is a very strange comment to make

It may be strange to you but it makes sense to me when you consider it was a failed strike campaign.

I think you are just being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse

[Acca Dacca]

I didnt ask if you wanted to go on strike. I asked if you went on strike. And you said you did.

So yes, ''get off your striking butts and work harder'' is a very strange comment to make

It may be strange to you but it makes sense to me when you consider it was a failed strike campaign.

I think you are just being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse

Im glad it makes sense to you because to me, it makes you sound like a fool who has ,perhaps for a moment, forgot the role you were supposed to be playing on this forum.

Mr Union who of COURSE supported the strikes - the same guy who posted ''get off your striking butts and work harder''

Ok jahbalon

[jahbalon]

I didnt ask if you wanted to go on strike. I asked if you went on strike. And you said you did.

So yes, ''get off your striking butts and work harder'' is a very strange comment to make

It may be strange to you but it makes sense to me when you consider it was a failed strike campaign.

I think you are just being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse

Im glad it makes sense to you because to me, it makes you sound like a fool who has ,perhaps for a moment, forgot the role you were supposed to be playing on this forum.

Mr Union who of COURSE supported the strikes - the same guy who posted ''get off your striking butts and work harder''

Ok jahbalon

Troll alert

It's called a contrarian mindset. It's not in what one thinks, it's how one thinks
If it get you the right result in the end, that is all that matters.
Is that simple enough for you to understand ?.
And yes get off your striking butts and work harder in the future
Hard work never killed anybody

[sindba]

"Work harder in the future"

Definitely not a postie. Eff off, troll.

[POSTMAN]

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