The vote is in : 75.8% yes

[Navalron]

Woody in most circumstances I would be inclined to agree with you regarding the silent majority. I personally voted no but I'm not gonna criticise anyone who voted yes- but i genuinely think most decided to vote yes - not because its a good deal , but rather the fact that the Cwu are now finished as we know it. To stand back and allow executive action to be taken while they had a signed agreement to pause realignments was the final nail in the coffin and unfortunately RM will now do whatever like whenever they like from now on

Yes mate you are 100% correct. I'm a union rep at DWP and now that RM have managed to f**k over a once strong union we can stand by for other employers to try and copy them. But your are absolutely correct in what you say.

[jahbalon]

A lot of scaremongering and pessimism on this thread.

Why can't some people just be happy that our CWU Union secured all our jobs, got us a fair deal, and negotiated us all a significant lump sum payment, in such very difficult circumstances, and having to deal with a very hostile Simon Thompson.

If we all pull together, and hopefully with a more understanding and forward thinking CEO in place, we can turn this company around, and all share equally in the profits and dividends that would bring in a brighter future.

Lets be optimistic and focussed on building together a better deal and future for all postal workers and revitalise the company.

[77SAMPOST77]

A lot of scaremongering and pessimism on this thread.

Why can't some people just be happy that our CWU Union secured all our jobs, got us a fair deal, and negotiated us all a significant lump sum payment, in such very difficult circumstances, and having to deal with a very hostile Simon Thompson.

If we all pull together, and hopefully with a more understanding and forward thinking CEO in place, we can turn this company around, and all share equally in the profits and dividends that would bring in a brighter future.

Lets be optimistic and focussed on building together a better deal and future for all postal workers and revitalise the company.

They have not secured all our jobs because in a sense people are leaving on a daily basis due to management bullying and harassment ,

They have not got us a fair deal , 10% over 3 years is not a fair deal ,

They only got the lump sum (bribe) because rm and cwu knew it would be a no vote without it .

[A2B]

A lot of scaremongering and pessimism on this thread.

Why can't some people just be happy that our CWU Union secured all our jobs, got us a fair deal, and negotiated us all a significant lump sum payment, in such very difficult circumstances, and having to deal with a very hostile Simon Thompson.

If we all pull together, and hopefully with a more understanding and forward thinking CEO in place, we can turn this company around, and all share equally in the profits and dividends that would bring in a brighter future.

Lets be optimistic and focussed on building together a better deal and future for all postal workers and revitalise the company.

They have not secured all our jobs because in a sense people are leaving on a daily basis due to management bullying and harassment ,

They have not got us a fair deal , 10% over 3 years is not a fair deal ,

They only got the lump sum (bribe) because rm and cwu knew it would be a no vote without it .

I think/hope jahbalon was being sarcastic?

[XCHpostie]

Some of these back n forth arguments are crazy.WE HAVE ALL LOST. The only winner is royal mail we voted yes or no and whether or not you voted one way or another you have lost

We haven’t lost. We have all secured our jobs and more money with an employer that is failing, in an industry that is struggling. We ‘lost’ the fight ten years ago when we failed to prevent privatisation. Everything since has been inevitable.

It goes back even further to the Business Transformation Agreement of 2010 or as I prefer to know it The Longest Suicide Note In History.

[jahbalon]

A lot of scaremongering and pessimism on this thread.

Why can't some people just be happy that our CWU Union secured all our jobs, got us a fair deal, and negotiated us all a significant lump sum payment, in such very difficult circumstances, and having to deal with a very hostile Simon Thompson.

If we all pull together, and hopefully with a more understanding and forward thinking CEO in place, we can turn this company around, and all share equally in the profits and dividends that would bring in a brighter future.

Lets be optimistic and focussed on building together a better deal and future for all postal workers and revitalise the company.

They have not secured all our jobs because in a sense people are leaving on a daily basis due to management bullying and harassment ,

They have not got us a fair deal , 10% over 3 years is not a fair deal ,

They only got the lump sum (bribe) because rm and cwu knew it would be a no vote without it .

It wasn't a bribe, wrong terminology, it was an incentive, all private companies do it, Royal Mail is no different.

I don't accept there is management bullying and harassment, read my other post on the Woke Crowd.
If you do your job right in a professional way with a sense of self respect, the management won't bother you.
It was a fair deal in my opinion whatever way you want to cut it. 75.8% postal workers agreed it was.
Anybody can twist the facts to suit their own hidden agenda.
A company that is losing £1M a day, exacerbated by pointless and ultimately failed strikes, which were wholey avoidable with a little bit of goodwill and compromise on both sides, in the middle of a terrible recession, energy, price and mortgage hikes, and rising inflation.
6% pay rise is not bad considering those facts.
What do you want ? Jam on it ?
Then get off your striking butts and work harder for it the next round of pay talks.

[Acca Dacca]

A lot of scaremongering and pessimism on this thread.

Why can't some people just be happy that our CWU Union secured all our jobs, got us a fair deal, and negotiated us all a significant lump sum payment, in such very difficult circumstances, and having to deal with a very hostile Simon Thompson.

If we all pull together, and hopefully with a more understanding and forward thinking CEO in place, we can turn this company around, and all share equally in the profits and dividends that would bring in a brighter future.

Lets be optimistic and focussed on building together a better deal and future for all postal workers and revitalise the company.

They have not secured all our jobs because in a sense people are leaving on a daily basis due to management bullying and harassment ,

They have not got us a fair deal , 10% over 3 years is not a fair deal ,

They only got the lump sum (bribe) because rm and cwu knew it would be a no vote without it .

It wasn't a bribe, wrong terminology, it was an incentive, all private companies do it, Royal Mail is no different.

I don't accept there is management bullying and harassment, read my other post on the Woke Crowd.
If you do your job right in a professional way with a sense of self respect, the management won't bother you.
It was a fair deal in my opinion whatever way you want to cut it. 75.8% postal workers agreed it was.
Anybody can twist the facts to suit their own hidden agenda.
A company that is losing £1M a day, exacerbated by pointless and ultimately failed strikes, which were wholey avoidable with a little bit of goodwill and compromise on both sides, in the middle of a terrible recession, energy, price and mortgage hikes, and rising inflation.
6% pay rise is not bad considering those facts.
What do you want ? Jam on it ?
Then get off your striking butts and work harder for it the next round of pay talks.

Were YOU on strike?

[77SAMPOST77]

A lot of scaremongering and pessimism on this thread.

Why can't some people just be happy that our CWU Union secured all our jobs, got us a fair deal, and negotiated us all a significant lump sum payment, in such very difficult circumstances, and having to deal with a very hostile Simon Thompson.

If we all pull together, and hopefully with a more understanding and forward thinking CEO in place, we can turn this company around, and all share equally in the profits and dividends that would bring in a brighter future.

Lets be optimistic and focussed on building together a better deal and future for all postal workers and revitalise the company.

They have not secured all our jobs because in a sense people are leaving on a daily basis due to management bullying and harassment ,

They have not got us a fair deal , 10% over 3 years is not a fair deal ,

They only got the lump sum (bribe) because rm and cwu knew it would be a no vote without it .

It wasn't a bribe, wrong terminology, it was an incentive, all private companies do it, Royal Mail is no different.

I don't accept there is management bullying and harassment, read my other post on the Woke Crowd.
If you do your job right in a professional way with a sense of self respect, the management won't bother you.
It was a fair deal in my opinion whatever way you want to cut it. 75.8% postal workers agreed it was.
Anybody can twist the facts to suit their own hidden agenda.
A company that is losing £1M a day, exacerbated by pointless and ultimately failed strikes, which were wholey avoidable with a little bit of goodwill and compromise on both sides, in the middle of a terrible recession, energy, price and mortgage hikes, and rising inflation.
6% pay rise is not bad considering those facts.
What do you want ? Jam on it ?
Then get off your striking butts and work harder for it the next round of pay talks.

Were YOU on strike?

jahbalon now sounds like redlen who once said we were lazy bastard postmen , now jahbalon thinks we need to work harder ,
I am glad you are all lovey dovey with your managers jahbalon but ours are bullying nasty spiteful cretins .

[jahbalon]

A lot of scaremongering and pessimism on this thread.

Why can't some people just be happy that our CWU Union secured all our jobs, got us a fair deal, and negotiated us all a significant lump sum payment, in such very difficult circumstances, and having to deal with a very hostile Simon Thompson.

If we all pull together, and hopefully with a more understanding and forward thinking CEO in place, we can turn this company around, and all share equally in the profits and dividends that would bring in a brighter future.

Lets be optimistic and focussed on building together a better deal and future for all postal workers and revitalise the company.

They have not secured all our jobs because in a sense people are leaving on a daily basis due to management bullying and harassment ,

They have not got us a fair deal , 10% over 3 years is not a fair deal ,

They only got the lump sum (bribe) because rm and cwu knew it would be a no vote without it .

It wasn't a bribe, wrong terminology, it was an incentive, all private companies do it, Royal Mail is no different.

I don't accept there is management bullying and harassment, read my other post on the Woke Crowd.
If you do your job right in a professional way with a sense of self respect, the management won't bother you.
It was a fair deal in my opinion whatever way you want to cut it. 75.8% postal workers agreed it was.
Anybody can twist the facts to suit their own hidden agenda.
A company that is losing £1M a day, exacerbated by pointless and ultimately failed strikes, which were wholey avoidable with a little bit of goodwill and compromise on both sides, in the middle of a terrible recession, energy, price and mortgage hikes, and rising inflation.
6% pay rise is not bad considering those facts.
What do you want ? Jam on it ?
Then get off your striking butts and work harder for it the next round of pay talks.

Were YOU on strike?

Of course I was on strike. I am a union man.
But it could and should have been handled better, a strike could have been avoided.
It was touch and go at one time. That is how near we were all to a settlement.
A long, divisive and ultimately failed strike only served to embitter and frustrate the staff, and entrench Royal Mail's position.
Hard Lessons have to be learned for the future including the CWU hierarchy and the new boss at Royal Mail.

[jahbalon]

A lot of scaremongering and pessimism on this thread.

Why can't some people just be happy that our CWU Union secured all our jobs, got us a fair deal, and negotiated us all a significant lump sum payment, in such very difficult circumstances, and having to deal with a very hostile Simon Thompson.

If we all pull together, and hopefully with a more understanding and forward thinking CEO in place, we can turn this company around, and all share equally in the profits and dividends that would bring in a brighter future.

Lets be optimistic and focussed on building together a better deal and future for all postal workers and revitalise the company.

They have not secured all our jobs because in a sense people are leaving on a daily basis due to management bullying and harassment ,

They have not got us a fair deal , 10% over 3 years is not a fair deal ,

They only got the lump sum (bribe) because rm and cwu knew it would be a no vote without it .

It wasn't a bribe, wrong terminology, it was an incentive, all private companies do it, Royal Mail is no different.

I don't accept there is management bullying and harassment, read my other post on the Woke Crowd.
If you do your job right in a professional way with a sense of self respect, the management won't bother you.
It was a fair deal in my opinion whatever way you want to cut it. 75.8% postal workers agreed it was.
Anybody can twist the facts to suit their own hidden agenda.
A company that is losing £1M a day, exacerbated by pointless and ultimately failed strikes, which were wholey avoidable with a little bit of goodwill and compromise on both sides, in the middle of a terrible recession, energy, price and mortgage hikes, and rising inflation.
6% pay rise is not bad considering those facts.
What do you want ? Jam on it ?
Then get off your striking butts and work harder for it the next round of pay talks.

Were YOU on strike?

jahbalon now sounds like redlen who once said we were lazy bastard postmen , now jahbalon thinks we need to work harder ,
I am glad you are all lovey dovey with your managers jahbalon but ours are bullying nasty spiteful cretins .

It's not a case of being lovey dovey with the managers. It's a case of treating them like your equals not your superiors and reaching certain, agreed understandings with them, man to man, communication is key in any work place, as is harmony.

When I say work harder, the principle is if you do your best, you will enjoy the fruits of your labour.
I don't mean knock your pan in, just do your best, and have a healthy respect for yourself, your job and your employers.

Let us not forget we bravely kept the mail going during two plus years of stringent Covid conditions. We were on the front line with little protection.We should be proud of ourselves, our jobs, our dignity and out joint shared interests with making Royal Mail profitable again and the Top Dog for years to come.

[Acca Dacca]

A lot of scaremongering and pessimism on this thread.

Why can't some people just be happy that our CWU Union secured all our jobs, got us a fair deal, and negotiated us all a significant lump sum payment, in such very difficult circumstances, and having to deal with a very hostile Simon Thompson.

If we all pull together, and hopefully with a more understanding and forward thinking CEO in place, we can turn this company around, and all share equally in the profits and dividends that would bring in a brighter future.

Lets be optimistic and focussed on building together a better deal and future for all postal workers and revitalise the company.

They have not secured all our jobs because in a sense people are leaving on a daily basis due to management bullying and harassment ,

They have not got us a fair deal , 10% over 3 years is not a fair deal ,

They only got the lump sum (bribe) because rm and cwu knew it would be a no vote without it .

It wasn't a bribe, wrong terminology, it was an incentive, all private companies do it, Royal Mail is no different.

I don't accept there is management bullying and harassment, read my other post on the Woke Crowd.
If you do your job right in a professional way with a sense of self respect, the management won't bother you.
It was a fair deal in my opinion whatever way you want to cut it. 75.8% postal workers agreed it was.
Anybody can twist the facts to suit their own hidden agenda.
A company that is losing £1M a day, exacerbated by pointless and ultimately failed strikes, which were wholey avoidable with a little bit of goodwill and compromise on both sides, in the middle of a terrible recession, energy, price and mortgage hikes, and rising inflation.
6% pay rise is not bad considering those facts.
What do you want ? Jam on it ?
Then get off your striking butts and work harder for it the next round of pay talks.

Were YOU on strike?

Of course I was on strike. I am a union man.
But it could and should have been handled better, a strike could have been avoided.
It was touch and go at one time. That is how near we were all to a settlement.
A long, divisive and ultimately failed strike only served to embitter and frustrate the staff, and entrench Royal Mail's position.
Hard Lessons have to be learned for the future including the CWU hierarchy and the new boss at Royal Mail.

Kinda odd for someone who claims to be a 'union man' and participated in the strikes to post ''get off your striking butts and work harder'' dont you think?

[thefox]

A lot of scaremongering and pessimism on this thread.

Why can't some people just be happy that our CWU Union secured all our jobs, got us a fair deal, and negotiated us all a significant lump sum payment, in such very difficult circumstances, and having to deal with a very hostile Simon Thompson.

If we all pull together, and hopefully with a more understanding and forward thinking CEO in place, we can turn this company around, and all share equally in the profits and dividends that would bring in a brighter future.

Lets be optimistic and focussed on building together a better deal and future for all postal workers and revitalise the company.

Na

[lizizriz]

A lot of scaremongering and pessimism on this thread.

Why can't some people just be happy that our CWU Union secured all our jobs, got us a fair deal, and negotiated us all a significant lump sum payment, in such very difficult circumstances, and having to deal with a very hostile Simon Thompson.

If we all pull together, and hopefully with a more understanding and forward thinking CEO in place, we can turn this company around, and all share equally in the profits and dividends that would bring in a brighter future.

Lets be optimistic and focussed on building together a better deal and future for all postal workers and revitalise the company.

They have not secured all our jobs because in a sense people are leaving on a daily basis due to management bullying and harassment ,

They have not got us a fair deal , 10% over 3 years is not a fair deal ,

They only got the lump sum (bribe) because rm and cwu knew it would be a no vote without it .

It wasn't a bribe, wrong terminology, it was an incentive, all private companies do it, Royal Mail is no different.

I don't accept there is management bullying and harassment, read my other post on the Woke Crowd.
If you do your job right in a professional way with a sense of self respect, the management won't bother you.
It was a fair deal in my opinion whatever way you want to cut it. 75.8% postal workers agreed it was.
Anybody can twist the facts to suit their own hidden agenda.
A company that is losing £1M a day, exacerbated by pointless and ultimately failed strikes, which were wholey avoidable with a little bit of goodwill and compromise on both sides, in the middle of a terrible recession, energy, price and mortgage hikes, and rising inflation.
6% pay rise is not bad considering those facts.
What do you want ? Jam on it ?
Then get off your striking butts and work harder for it the next round of pay talks.

[derricksmyth]

30 odd years a member and I’ll be calling HR in the morning and withdrawing my money from this spineless union.

I’m at the backend of my working life, so I will now go to work and keep my head down for as long as I can.

I’ll never go on strike again.

Good luck everybody

I think a lot of us will be doing exactly the same Terry !! Good luck mate!

[postslippete]

The only positive is that union managed to secure jobs and there will be job with Royal Mail if people want them.

Eh? There were already a 10,000 reduction in staff from the year before. What do you mean by secure jobs? Please don't tell me that you were taken in by the no compulsory redundancies malarkey. The company already did a massive VR exercise and they were oversubscribed!!!

Only people they want rid of are indoor staff as they have now changed CSPs hours.

And I very much doubt that many people will want the job having seen what royal mail have in store. They want the gig economy