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Judgee
EX ROYAL MAIL
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No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by Judgee »

I know it's damn tempting for all of us that feel let down by the CWU. But the people who voted no are the backbone of the union. If you leave then it just becomes easier for the bosses and the CWU to bring in even more changes.

The strength of the union has dwindled and the "roll over and bark like a dog for a pound brigade" have got their own way this time. But without those no voters that are willing to stand up and fight for decent pay and conditions things could get far worse!

If you hate what's happened become a rep and have a voice and make a difference. If you leave then only the mercenary brigade will have a say... and then we will be well and truly screwed! :roll:
Union what Union? Do we have a union?
koolishy67
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Re: No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by koolishy67 »

Don't worry they are not going to leave they need more union help than YES voters because they can't work over they can't work till late or weekends :Very Happy
CharlesSpooner
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Re: No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by CharlesSpooner »

I've spent my entire working life as a Union member but I'll be leaving.

The day those incompetent clowns at the top of the Union hold their hands up and resign I'll come straight back. I don't work for enjoyment, I work for money. And I don't pay that money to a Union for them to roll over and get steamrollered. You can go back to the "Deal Of The Century" and see nothing but incompetence from the CWU at every turn.

They saw Mick Lynch getting plaudits and fancied the ego boost for themselves using us as pawns.
hans solo
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Re: No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by hans solo »

koolishy67 wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 20:31
Don't worry they are not going to leave they need more union help than YES voters because they can't work over they can't work till late or weekends :Very Happy
Oh I can assure you I’m leaving it
No point
Judgee
EX ROYAL MAIL
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Re: No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by Judgee »

koolishy67 wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 20:31
Don't worry they are not going to leave they need more union help than YES voters because they can't work over they can't work till late or weekends :Very Happy
The Yes voters need more help greasing up their behinds. They've bent over and invited management to get stuck in!
Union what Union? Do we have a union?
aiden01
MAIL CENTRES/PROCESSING
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Re: No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by aiden01 »

Judgee wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 23:16
koolishy67 wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 20:31
Don't worry they are not going to leave they need more union help than YES voters because they can't work over they can't work till late or weekends :Very Happy
The Yes voters need more help greasing up their behinds. They've bent over and invited management to get stuck in!
Really what a sad post its called democracy .so 75.8% just bent over.some of the abuse on this site is unreal really do give up..
BenacreNick
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Re: No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by BenacreNick »

The "inbox" at HR must be filling up pretty quickly this morning, with requests to stop paying Union subs :cuppa

They've only got themselves to blame.
Ad_bee
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Re: No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by Ad_bee »

I'd like to repost my thoughts on the matter from another thread because whilst dismayed by the whole thing (massive understatment) I question the wisdom of leaving the union just yet.


"Why I'm not quitting the union yet.

Just a note from personal experience and p.o.v. (IMHO....which might be wrong). RM appear to have used my work unit as one of their 'testing-grounds' for their 'New way of working' since at least 2018 and its been as massive technologoly driven failure. This is mostly due to falsified/polluted raw data and the hubris driven misuse of that in performance management and workload resourcing. I'm not suggesting that the data is wrong but that its been tweaked to absurd levels to achieve management performance bonuses or an undisclosed background-plan to cover the contractual USO with a massive staff reduction (all mail is equal, but the delivery timespan contracts are not). That, or else some other suchlike malarky, shenanigans and crapulence.

Whatever. In my office that translated as the already oversized duties being performance-managed, not by use of actual raw data, reality and certainly not common-sense or RM's quoted operational standards and proceduresbut by emotive, capricious and negative feedback loops or just a point-blank failure to even engage ("you know where the door is") which isn't particularly surprising since Mick Jeavons has issued the plan and the results he wants to see on his spreadsheet, the bonuses paid to achieve that and which managers and offices are failing to achieve their bonuses and targets respectively. Micks spreadsheet was essentially no more informative than pub-bog graffiti, hence Simon T's doomed 'true picture' putsch. Both Williams and Jeavons are very capable persons, as we have witnessed. We may not agree with their tactics or crapulence but they are very good it and we are not (thats a good enough reason to stay with the union in itself?). They have harrowed Royal Mail, the USO, the union and the workforce all with cast-iron plausible deniability (modernisation, profit, 'rogue managers', 'sickly/unionised/lazy/incompetent/theiving workforce, Covid, industrial action, labour market supply etc) all of which has masked their own shortcomings or strategy (whichever applies). They even have union plus the majority of the workforce onside and have been given the 'green light' to deploy whatever they want, whenever they want and how they want it.

s**t rolls downhill.

All of the grief is about to be unleashed upon those lucky enough to have avoided the past 5 years (at least) worth of 'improvement' (some was needed, some has worked but due to misapplication has failed). I don't think anyone can truly appreciate the tidal-wave of disruption and malice thats going to be deployed from as early as next week unless they've experienced a fully compliant test-office that never-the-less fails all of Mssrs Williams and Jeavons' expectations. It never going be 'their fault' niether Williams/Jeavons, the Board, Ofcom. the tech or any managemnet level.

Its going to be 'your fault'...every day and you will be challenged and managed accordingly if my trial-office is anything to go by, and its going to wear you down. Obviously there's a very optimistic workforce majority that either has not experienced that or have experienced it differently and has a different opinion of it but I believe its coming, 'turned-up to 11' and possibly a lot quicker than people realise.

If it does, if my experience or cognitive evaluation thereof is correct, everyone is going to need even the paltry, pwned and lukewarm representation of the union.

I'm for leaving the union too, but am defering for at least 6 months to see 'hoe the cookie crumbles'. I don't think an instant kneejerk reaction is wise considering the power that has been handed to Williams and Jeavons who are both sensible enough to make the most of the momentum they have engineered (also whilst being 'high' on the hubris of victory).

I'm for 'holding my fire' and laying-low."
derricksmyth
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Re: No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by derricksmyth »

Ad_bee wrote:
12 Jul 2023, 08:16
I'd like to repost my thoughts on the matter from another thread because whilst dismayed by the whole thing (massive understatment) I question the wisdom of leaving the union just yet.


"Why I'm not quitting the union yet.

Just a note from personal experience and p.o.v. (IMHO....which might be wrong). RM appear to have used my work unit as one of their 'testing-grounds' for their 'New way of working' since at least 2018 and its been as massive technologoly driven failure. This is mostly due to falsified/polluted raw data and the hubris driven misuse of that in performance management and workload resourcing. I'm not suggesting that the data is wrong but that its been tweaked to absurd levels to achieve management performance bonuses or an undisclosed background-plan to cover the contractual USO with a massive staff reduction (all mail is equal, but the delivery timespan contracts are not). That, or else some other suchlike malarky, shenanigans and crapulence.

Whatever. In my office that translated as the already oversized duties being performance-managed, not by use of actual raw data, reality and certainly not common-sense or RM's quoted operational standards and proceduresbut by emotive, capricious and negative feedback loops or just a point-blank failure to even engage ("you know where the door is") which isn't particularly surprising since Mick Jeavons has issued the plan and the results he wants to see on his spreadsheet, the bonuses paid to achieve that and which managers and offices are failing to achieve their bonuses and targets respectively. Micks spreadsheet was essentially no more informative than pub-bog graffiti, hence Simon T's doomed 'true picture' putsch. Both Williams and Jeavons are very capable persons, as we have witnessed. We may not agree with their tactics or crapulence but they are very good it and we are not (thats a good enough reason to stay with the union in itself?). They have harrowed Royal Mail, the USO, the union and the workforce all with cast-iron plausible deniability (modernisation, profit, 'rogue managers', 'sickly/unionised/lazy/incompetent/theiving workforce, Covid, industrial action, labour market supply etc) all of which has masked their own shortcomings or strategy (whichever applies). They even have union plus the majority of the workforce onside and have been given the 'green light' to deploy whatever they want, whenever they want and how they want it.

s**t rolls downhill.

All of the grief is about to be unleashed upon those lucky enough to have avoided the past 5 years (at least) worth of 'improvement' (some was needed, some has worked but due to misapplication has failed). I don't think anyone can truly appreciate the tidal-wave of disruption and malice thats going to be deployed from as early as next week unless they've experienced a fully compliant test-office that never-the-less fails all of Mssrs Williams and Jeavons' expectations. It never going be 'their fault' niether Williams/Jeavons, the Board, Ofcom. the tech or any managemnet level.

Its going to be 'your fault'...every day and you will be challenged and managed accordingly if my trial-office is anything to go by, and its going to wear you down. Obviously there's a very optimistic workforce majority that either has not experienced that or have experienced it differently and has a different opinion of it but I believe its coming, 'turned-up to 11' and possibly a lot quicker than people realise.

If it does, if my experience or cognitive evaluation thereof is correct, everyone is going to need even the paltry, pwned and lukewarm representation of the union.

I'm for leaving the union too, but am defering for at least 6 months to see 'hoe the cookie crumbles'. I don't think an instant kneejerk reaction is wise considering the power that has been handed to Williams and Jeavons who are both sensible enough to make the most of the momentum they have engineered (also whilst being 'high' on the hubris of victory).

I'm for 'holding my fire' and laying-low."
I respect your decision, but I'm not sure what if any protection the union can offer you now, when they come gunning for us. They have 400 reps that seem to be still suspended , and wondering if they still have a job? Total shambles !!
Flashman_
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Re: No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by Flashman_ »

I have lost all hope that this Union will give me any protection from any of the s**t that is coming our way, I have been a loyal member for all of my 30+ years service and this agreement was the last straw.
My only reason for staying in the Union at the moment is because I am going to ask their lawyers to fight some aspects of this agreement which appear to break my statutory rights as laid down in the Employment rights act 1996. If they will not help in that I will be leaving the Union without hesitation.
twoloops
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Re: No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by twoloops »

Very easy just email membership@cwu.org with your full name works number & delivery office, you can also vent your anger, no swearing please :wave :wave :wave :wave
denowashere
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Re: No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by denowashere »

What? don't leave the union (what union)are you serious I phoned HR this morning and told them to stop my union contributions at the earliest possible date, I am quite sure the yes voters ( turkey's) don't know what they have voted for ( apart from Christmas) , when the real s__t hits the fan you will be running off with your tail between your legs begging for help the answer will be you voted for it.
Judgee
EX ROYAL MAIL
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Re: No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by Judgee »

aiden01 wrote:
12 Jul 2023, 00:25
Judgee wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 23:16
koolishy67 wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 20:31
Don't worry they are not going to leave they need more union help than YES voters because they can't work over they can't work till late or weekends :Very Happy
The Yes voters need more help greasing up their behinds. They've bent over and invited management to get stuck in!
Really what a sad post its called democracy .so 75.8% just bent over.some of the abuse on this site is unreal really do give up..
An abusive post to what I considered an abusive post. Now moan at the other guy for his/her patronising post or do you just moan at people with an opposing view to you when it comes to abuse?
Union what Union? Do we have a union?
worktotime
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Re: No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by worktotime »

yes i and another 6 up to now in the office have stopped our payments to the cwwho ? , and i reckon there is more to follow as well , no faith and trust in ward , fury :thumbdown .
twoloops
Posts: 2002
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Location: Sheffield

Re: No voters please do not leave the union!

Post by twoloops »

Easy as ABC just got conformation from Harvey Mills CWU Membership Department Email hmills@cwu.org Direct line 020 8971 7447 :wave