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emu72
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Re: If you oppose new start/finish times please read this

Post by emu72 »

guardianangel wrote:
03 Jul 2023, 06:00
I've voted NO ,there is lots in this agreement that could be in breach of contract,why the hell the union have tried to sign us up to this i'll never know,maybe they don't want to spend our subs on legal fees and instead on their inflated wages,it doesn't have to be their way VOTE NO !!!!!!!!
The cwu are in bed with rm,thats why.
LouBarlow
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Post by LouBarlow »

emu72 wrote:
03 Jul 2023, 22:16
guardianangel wrote:
03 Jul 2023, 06:00
I've voted NO ,there is lots in this agreement that could be in breach of contract,why the hell the union have tried to sign us up to this i'll never know,maybe they don't want to spend our subs on legal fees and instead on their inflated wages,it doesn't have to be their way VOTE NO !!!!!!!!
The cwu are in bed with rm,thats why.
That is what an agreement is. Two sides coming together. The clue is in the name really.
guardianangel
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Post by guardianangel »

LouBarlow wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 05:14
emu72 wrote:
03 Jul 2023, 22:16
guardianangel wrote:
03 Jul 2023, 06:00
I've voted NO ,there is lots in this agreement that could be in breach of contract,why the hell the union have tried to sign us up to this i'll never know,maybe they don't want to spend our subs on legal fees and instead on their inflated wages,it doesn't have to be their way VOTE NO !!!!!!!!
The cwu are in bed with rm,thats why.
That is what an agreement is. Two sides coming together. The clue is in the name really.
Just a shame its never in the interests of the worker.
LouBarlow
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Post by LouBarlow »

guardianangel wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 05:52
LouBarlow wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 05:14
emu72 wrote:
03 Jul 2023, 22:16
guardianangel wrote:
03 Jul 2023, 06:00
I've voted NO ,there is lots in this agreement that could be in breach of contract,why the hell the union have tried to sign us up to this i'll never know,maybe they don't want to spend our subs on legal fees and instead on their inflated wages,it doesn't have to be their way VOTE NO !!!!!!!!
The cwu are in bed with rm,thats why.
That is what an agreement is. Two sides coming together. The clue is in the name really.
Just a shame its never in the interests of the worker.
It very rarely is when a company exists to maximise profits.
guardianangel
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Post by guardianangel »

LouBarlow wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 06:13
guardianangel wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 05:52
LouBarlow wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 05:14
emu72 wrote:
03 Jul 2023, 22:16
guardianangel wrote:
03 Jul 2023, 06:00
I've voted NO ,there is lots in this agreement that could be in breach of contract,why the hell the union have tried to sign us up to this i'll never know,maybe they don't want to spend our subs on legal fees and instead on their inflated wages,it doesn't have to be their way VOTE NO !!!!!!!!
The cwu are in bed with rm,thats why.
That is what an agreement is. Two sides coming together. The clue is in the name really.
Just a shame its never in the interests of the worker.
It very rarely is when a company exists to maximise profits.
Not from me they wont im doing half the work i use too lower pay and conditions and they will get less work from me ,if its a yes the workforce will be like all other delivery companies and not give a f--k,good luck royal mail you reap what you sow.
LouBarlow
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Post by LouBarlow »

guardianangel wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 15:29
LouBarlow wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 06:13
guardianangel wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 05:52
LouBarlow wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 05:14
emu72 wrote:
03 Jul 2023, 22:16
guardianangel wrote:
03 Jul 2023, 06:00
I've voted NO ,there is lots in this agreement that could be in breach of contract,why the hell the union have tried to sign us up to this i'll never know,maybe they don't want to spend our subs on legal fees and instead on their inflated wages,it doesn't have to be their way VOTE NO !!!!!!!!
The cwu are in bed with rm,thats why.
That is what an agreement is. Two sides coming together. The clue is in the name really.
Just a shame its never in the interests of the worker.
It very rarely is when a company exists to maximise profits.
Not from me they wont im doing half the work i use too lower pay and conditions and they will get less work from me ,if its a yes the workforce will be like all other delivery companies and not give a f--k,good luck royal mail you reap what you sow.
Things aren’t staying the same if it is a no vote. That isn’t how this works. People need to get this into their heads.
moon71
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Post by moon71 »

[/quote]
Things aren’t staying the same if it is a no vote. That isn’t how this works. People need to get this into their heads.
[/quote]

A bit confused. I thought if it was a no vote, delivery's would carry on as normal as the arrivals in DOs would be unchanged.

And the supernumerary in my mailcentre would be saved as the new superhub would be closed as a failed project. Hence no change.

Some people still can't see it can they. Vote no.
Woody Guthrie
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Post by Woody Guthrie »

I wouldn't go down the sarcastic route.
There will be some who'll think you're serious. :chuckle
Only dead fish follow the current
LouBarlow
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Post by LouBarlow »

moon71 wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 19:09
Things aren’t staying the same if it is a no vote. That isn’t how this works. People need to get this into their heads.
[/quote]

A bit confused. I thought if it was a no vote, delivery's would carry on as normal as the arrivals in DOs would be unchanged.

And the supernumerary in my mailcentre would be saved as the new superhub would be closed as a failed project. Hence no change.

Some people still can't see it can they. Vote no.
[/quote]

I’ve read more moonbrained posts on here, so you will have to up your sarcasm game :chuckle
guardianangel
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Post by guardianangel »

LouBarlow wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 17:36
guardianangel wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 15:29
LouBarlow wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 06:13
guardianangel wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 05:52
LouBarlow wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 05:14
emu72 wrote:
03 Jul 2023, 22:16
guardianangel wrote:
03 Jul 2023, 06:00
I've voted NO ,there is lots in this agreement that could be in breach of contract,why the hell the union have tried to sign us up to this i'll never know,maybe they don't want to spend our subs on legal fees and instead on their inflated wages,it doesn't have to be their way VOTE NO !!!!!!!!
The cwu are in bed with rm,thats why.
That is what an agreement is. Two sides coming together. The clue is in the name really.
Just a shame its never in the interests of the worker.
It very rarely is when a company exists to maximise profits.
Not from me they wont im doing half the work i use too lower pay and conditions and they will get less work from me ,if its a yes the workforce will be like all other delivery companies and not give a f--k,good luck royal mail you reap what you sow.
Things aren’t staying the same if it is a no vote. That isn’t how this works. People need to get this into their heads.
Not bothered im still doing half the work ,there's more than one way to skin a cat,give us what we deserve and i'll work hard if not i won't its that simple,they are struggling to fill vacancies now i've lost count of new starters who have already left,its a win win for the workers not so much for royal mail,oh i forgot another loser will be the guys that start early and rush around and walk over cos they are screwed.
ted_e_bear
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Post by ted_e_bear »

LouBarlow wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 19:40
moon71 wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 19:09
Things aren’t staying the same if it is a no vote. That isn’t how this works. People need to get this into their heads.
A bit confused. I thought if it was a no vote, delivery's would carry on as normal as the arrivals in DOs would be unchanged.

And the supernumerary in my mailcentre would be saved as the new superhub would be closed as a failed project. Hence no change.

Some people still can't see it can they. Vote no.
[/quote]

I’ve read more moonbrained posts on here, so you will have to up your sarcasm game :chuckle
[/quote]

I'll add to that then, both our rep and com reckon if it's a no vote then RM will concede that everything they've introduced over the last 20 years has been a failure and from September we're back starting at 5am, bikes are on order and we're waiting for ofcom to approve the reintroduction of 2nd deliveries. :crazy:
pieoftheday
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Post by pieoftheday »

ted_e_bear wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 20:02
LouBarlow wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 19:40
moon71 wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 19:09
Things aren’t staying the same if it is a no vote. That isn’t how this works. People need to get this into their heads.
A bit confused. I thought if it was a no vote, delivery's would carry on as normal as the arrivals in DOs would be unchanged.

And the supernumerary in my mailcentre would be saved as the new superhub would be closed as a failed project. Hence no change.

Some people still can't see it can they. Vote no.
I’ve read more moonbrained posts on here, so you will have to up your sarcasm game :chuckle
[/quote]

I'll add to that then, both our rep and com reckon if it's a no vote then RM will concede that everything they've introduced over the last 20 years has been a failure and from September we're back starting at 5am, bikes are on order and we're waiting for ofcom to approve the reintroduction of 2nd deliveries. :crazy:
[/quote]

Our manager told us , vote no and that's it, RM is bankrupt, end of :left:
LouBarlow
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Post by LouBarlow »

I’m more inclined to believe RM will go bust seeing as RM the CWU and the PEC have all said it is possible but sure a postman on an internet forum knows better. Sure.
pieoftheday
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Post by pieoftheday »

LouBarlow wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 21:12
I’m more inclined to believe RM will go bust seeing as RM the CWU and the PEC have all said it is possible but sure a postman on an internet forum knows better. Sure.
A postman with an opinion, I've never said I know better than anyone?
LouBarlow
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Post by LouBarlow »

pieoftheday wrote:
05 Jul 2023, 12:02
LouBarlow wrote:
04 Jul 2023, 21:12
I’m more inclined to believe RM will go bust seeing as RM the CWU and the PEC have all said it is possible but sure a postman on an internet forum knows better. Sure.
A postman with an opinion, I've never said I know better than anyone?
Why do you not believe your manager, RM, the CWU and the PEC? Literally all angles of this dispute. You must have some evidence guiding your opinion surely?