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Postal workers: Vote no and defend our terms and conditions

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X_hamster
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So the result of a no vote should be all out strikes when people are struggling financially. We’ve done the striking thing it didn’t work. It’s seems emotion has overtaken pragmatism.
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Nurses strike off after the 50 % vote threshold was not met ! there is so much apathy and resignation within our workforce now who is to say the same thing wont happen to our vote - watch this space !
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Junior doctors are on a 5 day strike. I know it's the public sector and it's a different industry to ours but it will interesting to see how it pans out.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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The article wasnt really about striking, and more about articulating why members shouldnt swallow and vote for this absolute sell out.

Its not all doom and gloom.
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When does the current strike ballot expire?
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That’s been what the CWU have stalled for
Feather their nest and then shite in it
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A yes vote means we accept the new terms and conditions and we waive the right to protest

A no vote means that we’ll probably lose any lump sum and pay rise but they still can’t change our start/finish times without agreement

Maybe those that vote yes could work the later hours as they don’t have an issue with that and maybe they could do the parcel routes

Where as those that vote no could continue as they are

Maybe the yes voters could get the higher rate of pay and the lump sum and all the terms they’ve voted for as incentive 🤷‍♀️

I mean there’s got to be other solutions to this??

Not really thought it through just offering ideas because the union and the board seem to be fresh outta those
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Still a no from me
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I’m seeing nothing that convinces me that yes is the best way to go
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Just received an email from cwu about the recommendation to vote yes, if it didn't have cwu logo at the top I'd have thought it was from RM. I've already voted no
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SpacePhoenix wrote:
28 Jun 2023, 10:24
When does the current strike ballot expire?
I think it's the 16th August or thereabouts!
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SHAMEFUL TO THE END - THE CWU (ALIAS ROYAL MAIL LAPDOGS)


ROYAL MAIL GROUP BALLOT - USE YOUR VOTE
You should have your ballot paper on the Business Recovery, Transformation and Growth Agreement, by post at your home address.

What’s really important is that you use your vote and that you do so on the most informed basis possible.

There are some difficult elements within this Agreement – that was always going to be the case given the magnitude of the dispute, the unparalleled set of circumstances surrounding it and the huge shift we have all seen in the world of communications.

When considering this Agreement, please reflect on the reality of the choices that lie in front of us. Context is everything.

We cannot face away from necessary change - and we know you won’t.

The digital world is upon us and there is no way we can secure any jobs or the future of the company, based on a view of what Royal Mail used to be or by taking a stand against change. That was not our position before the dispute and it cannot be our position after.

The long established trends of letter decline have accelerated in the last few years. The best option now for our members, customers and the future of the company – is to introduce the 24/7 next day parcel network that was part of our previous Agreement. Delivering parcels later is essential to protect and grow jobs and the business.

It is also the right thing to do. Our job is not to help manage the decline of Royal Mail and present a dishonest position to you. It is our role to protect your jobs – that is what we have done.



LATER STARTS/LATER FINISHES

This is perhaps the most emotive section of the whole agreement. We know the culture of a postal worker has been to enjoy finishing early – whether that be because of childcare issues, family time or attending sporting events.

The truth is though, there is no debate which includes the status quo as an option. In addition to seeking extra business, which we all support, Royal Mail has taken the decision to cease all mainland UK flights next year. This is part of their green agenda – something every major employer in the world is now buying into.

Moving mail by road, whilst more environmentally friendly, clearly takes more time.

So, this was the challenge facing the union in negotiations. Royal Mail’s original plan was to cease flights this year, move the network and finish times back by 3 hours and implement that immediately.

Your union – off the back of your outstanding support – forced Royal Mail to delay any moves by a year until March 2024 and capped the change for the vast majority of delivery offices to 60 minutes. We are also hopeful of improving that position further in the coming months, alongside developing a proper and genuine process for those who absolutely cannot work later due to their personal circumstances.

The choice here is not between staying as we are and what we have achieved. It is between Royal Mail Group’s original plans and the significantly mitigated position we reached in negotiations. Make no mistake about it – voting no doesn’t reopen talks – it reverts Royal Mail back to what they originally wanted.



ROYAL MAIL FINANCES.

Royal Mail is a company on the brink. It has been put there by gross mismanagement at the highest level but as always in these situations – it is the frontline workers and not CEO’s who pay the price for the failures.

As angry and appalled as we all are by the actions of the employer in recent times, it does you no good at all for the union to ignore the perilous position the company finds itself in – even if we disagree with how we got here.

And it is this background which makes some elements of the agreement very difficult. But we have ensured as best as we can that we will revisit key areas of the agreement both on an ongoing basis and particularly as the financial position improves – including sick pay and new entrants’ terms and conditions.



IT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION TO SUSPEND THE BALLOT TIMETABLE.

The suspension of the members ballot was undoubtedly the right call. We have used that period to put maximum pressure on Royal Mail to act on failed revisions, quality of service issues and USO failures.

We have in place now processes to deal with these things. We will hold the employer to account, but we also need the union to operate at every level. We must call for change in managerial attitudes at local, area, divisional and national level – and we cannot rest until it happens.

It is our job to make this agreement work. Postal workers are the conscience of Royal Mail and you always have been – it is in all of our interests to get the company back on track.



SUMMARY

The Postal Executive recommends you vote Yes on the basis that we have achieved the best possible negotiated settlement, considering all circumstances. We can also confidently say that as a result of your solidarity we have significantly moved Royal Mail away from all their original positions.

Now is the time to settle this dispute. The only way the company has a future is by working with the CWU and the workforce. The only way we can influence the future is through this National Agreement.

VOTE YES – above all else make an informed decision and USE YOUR VOTE.

The ballot closes on 11th July.



Yours sincerely,



Dave Ward - General Secretary

Andy Furey - Acting Deputy General Secretary (Postal)
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Why would I vote yes to be performance tracked and told I’m not fast enough? I’m voting to be bullied and harassed surely?
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This green agenda no flights thing is nonsense. They ran mail on trains in the old days and got most of the round done by 9am. It’s just so they can slap collections onto delivery rounds and slash hours and costs. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.