Have to vote No

[ihatedogs]

When it is a YES vote then the attack on our sick pay terms and conditions will get worse until we get NO sick pay for the first 3 days like other companies. This should NOT be a race to the bottom, we should be protecting these rights for our future colleagues. Every company seems to be trying to get rid of as much staff as possible and keep the rest on poorer conditions. What will a NO vote mean? I have no idea but I do know that a YES vote will be jus t the first step in more of our conditions being ripped away from us.

Surely then a no vote will mean they are ripped away from us a hell of a lot quicker.

I have no idea mate but If we vote YES then we are saying that it is OK for future colleagues to be shafted big time in order for the rich to get richer

I think you'll find that plenty of current posties are more concerned with paying their bills & making sure themselves & their families are provided for right now than they are about the hypothetical situations that future RM employees may, or may not, be faced with.

[Nickvilla20]

Future employees will know what they are signing up
For when they take the job. They probably won’t stick around though when they find out that they are on less money but that’s the companies problem not ours.

[aiden01]

When it is a YES vote then the attack on our sick pay terms and conditions will get worse until we get NO sick pay for the first 3 days like other companies. This should NOT be a race to the bottom, we should be protecting these rights for our future colleagues. Every company seems to be trying to get rid of as much staff as possible and keep the rest on poorer conditions. What will a NO vote mean? I have no idea but I do know that a YES vote will be jus t the first step in more of our conditions being ripped away from us.

Surely then a no vote will mean they are ripped away from us a hell of a lot quicker.

I have no idea mate but If we vote YES then we are saying that it is OK for future colleagues to be shafted ebig time in order for the rich to get richer

Been in the job too long mate to worry about future colleagues let me assure you nobody cares an never did.


Then do what you have to do, simple.

Already have

Well done. Not here to tell you how to vote, totally up to yourself. Hoping that colleagues will vote, that is all.

ee
It really is that simple mate vote yes or no hope everyone will.

[jahbalon]

I think it will be a 90% no vote, maybe a few more sold out for the extra £900, so a bit less now.

I would be staggered if the result is a yes vote.

Prepare to be staggered.
It's going to be a 70% Yes Vote.
These are the Hard Times
Give me the lolly you wally

[Foxel]

It is entirely against my values to vote yes. They could offer whatever lump sum they wanted and it wouldn't change my mind. And you can call me what you like, I'm at peace with myself. Money won't solve your problems and nor should it, paying it out also won't solve Royal Mails.

The most prominent reason I hear people calling for a yes vote on this site is fear, dressed up as all sorts of dissonance-reducing fiction. Whatever helps you sleep at night. But the people I have spoken with one to one have had more interesting and personal answers. Only one is worried about bills and they are in a situation where they are living a little out of their means due to location. I feel for them, the lump won't help much and they worked through the striking so that's not really an issue. A yes or a no vote is no guarantee of the security of a poorly run business.

The vast majority, in fact, everyone else, bar one, has been forward enough to admit they just want the extra money. Some want to take it and then retire as soon as they are fed up with the revisions. Others have already decided they are going to leave so will hang about just long enough for the sum.

The last just can't be bothered with it all and just wants to get it done with and crack on.

I have no problem with them, it is their choice. But not one of them thinks the business will be better with a yes vote. Or pretends they are doing it for the good of the business.

[The Postman]

When it is a YES vote then the attack on our sick pay terms and conditions will get worse until we get NO sick pay for the first 3 days like other companies. This should NOT be a race to the bottom, we should be protecting these rights for our future colleagues. Every company seems to be trying to get rid of as much staff as possible and keep the rest on poorer conditions. What will a NO vote mean? I have no idea but I do know that a YES vote will be jus t the first step in more of our conditions being ripped away from us.

You do have an idea what happens if a no vote result happens. The CWU, RM and the PEC are all telling you it would be disastrous.

Then Vote YES. I am not here to tell you how to vote but trying to predict what a YES vote will mean for T&C's

A yes vote is easier to predict considering it is a ratified agreement.

What, a ratified agreement like all the other ones before it that were torn up?

[LouBarlow]

When it is a YES vote then the attack on our sick pay terms and conditions will get worse until we get NO sick pay for the first 3 days like other companies. This should NOT be a race to the bottom, we should be protecting these rights for our future colleagues. Every company seems to be trying to get rid of as much staff as possible and keep the rest on poorer conditions. What will a NO vote mean? I have no idea but I do know that a YES vote will be jus t the first step in more of our conditions being ripped away from us.

You do have an idea what happens if a no vote result happens. The CWU, RM and the PEC are all telling you it would be disastrous.

Why do you keep asking the same question LOU. Nobody knows what a NO vote would bring . We don't have crystal balls . What we know is what a yes vote brings . We are trying to better the agreement somehow . Even if its just a little sweetener , but something. Your mentality cannot obviously comprehend opposite views to your own. What if ... ? Why would you ... ? If you vote no blah blah blah. " NO " voters are prepared to gamble for better , not accept vastly inferior terms & conditions . We all know change has and will continue to happen - we are not as stupid as you may like to believe. Some of us would rather try to write some of our future , than have it written for us. Now please stop asking the same old , same old , same old questions . It's so tiresome.

I’m not asking any questions STEVE. I’m just telling you what the PEC, the CWU and RM are stating would happen in the event of a NO poll result. Don’t blame me for telling you it would destroy your job, blame them for telling you the truth.

What, a ratified agreement like all the other ones before it that were torn up?

Yes, like the ones that we ourselves tore up by engaging in industrial action which triggered the clause for them to be dissolved. Exactly.

[guardianangel]

If it’s a no vote we put up a stronger fight and use our strike mandate like the CWU was up for prior to them going into self preservation mode,remember the best and final offer was improved on,they’re was no more money in the pot but then the £900 carrot was dangled,Dave Ward and his team talked a good battle but when it came to the crunch they weren’t up for the fight and lay down and got their belly tickled by RM

How much stronger a fight do we have to put up, than striking at Christmas? How much support do you think you would have for an all out indefinite strike, and what do you think that would achieve, considering we are working for a company that is bleeding money? I’m honestly interested in how you would proceed at this point.

97 % voted to carry on the strike how much more support do you think is needed.

x7 posts in a row. Well done you win a cookie

Thankyou, maybe you finally got it,we win nothing on a yes.

[guardianangel]

It will be a yes,as someone else said probably about 70% yes it is what it isni boted no if gets really bad as expected then find something else just have to plod on for as long as possible.

Personally i think it could be 60% NO but the worse case scenario is a brexit style outcome 52/48 where the hell will that leave the union and company with half not giving a flying f--- and production hits the floor.

I was sure it would have been a no vote but the extra cash will sway it also all the it will all come in anyway doom and gloom might as well get summit out of it,thing is if they can bring it in if its a no vote then why give us 8% over 2 years plus both lump sums just give us an enforced 2% and lay down the law about seasonals and the rest of it your doing it or we will fire and rehire etc etc

Exactly why did they give you extra if they could of brang it in anyway,somethings not right .

[guardianangel]

If it’s a no vote we put up a stronger fight and use our strike mandate like the CWU was up for prior to them going into self preservation mode,remember the best and final offer was improved on,they’re was no more money in the pot but then the £900 carrot was dangled,Dave Ward and his team talked a good battle but when it came to the crunch they weren’t up for the fight and lay down and got their belly tickled by RM

How much stronger a fight do we have to put up, than striking at Christmas? How much support do you think you would have for an all out indefinite strike, and what do you think that would achieve, considering we are working for a company that is bleeding money? I’m honestly interested in how you would proceed at this point.

97 % voted to carry on the strike how much more support do you think is needed.

And why do you think no strike action was called?

Because the cwu fell for the lies and deceit and caved.

[Haditup]

Will a YES vote change the job for the better?
Will it make you happier?

Does working till 6pm fit in with your lifestyle?
Will working an additional 24 mins per day for free this winter play with your mind?

We have witnessed what Royal Mail Board Members have done and are still doing.
We worked through the Pandemic making the company Rich and are Rewarded with this!

A NO vote will send a message ,we will not be bought by £900 (pro rata) and negotiate at better deal.

[postslippete]

I certainly don't believe the financial situation that they are claiming

The dramatic headline of an operating loss for 2022 of just over £1 billion, when you look beyond this, the revenue across both RM and GLS only actually decreased by 5% in 2022-23. There are massive caveats when referencing the billion pound loss because the adjusted operating loss across the group was just £71 million for 2022-23. Impairment charges not related to the daily operations made the unadjusted headline figures look much, much worse.

Also, the company have chosen not to cross-subsidise and use the profits from GLS to sustain the USO, a deliberate decisions to make it look unsustainable and probably one of the main reasons why the government keeps knocking them back on a 5 day universal service. It's worth pointing out that Amazon cross-subsidise their very profitable web services operation to their not so profitable Prime delivery service.

Then there is the fact that shareholders have been bleeding the company dry and have taken billions of pounds from the company over the past decade. Just last year, shareholders received pay outs worth £400 million - significantly more than the total pay given to workers in this deal - and they could have easily invested this back into the company instead of lining the pockets of wealthy shareholders. Senior bosses still continue to earn significant bonuses and IDS is sitting on retained earnings of £3.8 billion and liquidity of £1.7 billion. The money is definitely there and one of the main reasons why we are not going into administration any time soon.....

Its just unfortunate that the company sees its staff more of a burden than an asset and the reasoning behind everything that Royal Mail are doing is to further reduce pay, terms and conditions to that of the broader industry - not solely that they can compete - its so that they can further increase their profit potential.

[LouBarlow]

It is your right not to believe the dire financial state the company is but ask yourself why the PEC, the CWU and RM all agree. Given how bitter the dispute has been why do you think they are all conspiring to lie to you?

Also just use your eyes. Mail is drying up even parcels. With costs all rising too it is easy to see why RM are in this mess.

[timbo1234]

It comes down to who you believe regarding RM finances. The CWU negotiators or some of the people on here who believe it is a conspiracy and there will be no consequences if we vote no. I think Andy Furey said on Friday about RM going into administration. He said it would be catastrophic for jobs. No company is too big to fail. The Government won't step in with a bailout and there won't be any cross subsidy within the group. Why should there be? Voting no is to gamble with your future. I don't like the proposal but none of the people who rant and swear on here have said what happens if we vote no. They just say it's up to the union to come up with a new strategy. The same union that is involved in the conspiracy with RM. You couldn't make it up.

Even if RM agree to negotiate - which I don't think for one minute they will - we could end up with another proposal , which if people think it's another conspiracy, we start all over again. Every action has consequences. but with a no vote you don't know what they are.

[SpacePhoenix]

The Government won't step in with a bailout

Think the going rate for the smallest size items with couriers is about £5. When people have to start paying that the government will be forced to bail out RM, as for the MPs their constituents will be mega pissed about having to pay £5 for every last letter that they send.