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"I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

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milly
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Re: "I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

Post by milly »

k979aaa wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 12:02
milly wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 11:55
k979aaa wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 11:50
Thing is we are all stuck between a rock and a hard place given that they donated £567 MILLION and they need change because they don't have any money. So do as little as they are offering no motivation in this workplace anymore with the imbalance of the super rich vs the oppressed. Use that agreement and hold them to account by knowing it and all the other agreements. If somehow RM did go bust all the agreements pay terms conditions and even statutory redundancy may not be paid out so think on. This dispute was exacerbated by the conservatives who allowed strike breaking flying agency workers, So we were up against it from the start and the laws of the land that were enacted by strike buster ADVISORS! so when the time comes vote for a different government!
Sir Keir Starmer ain't going to save us either!
Labour and Conservative are both different cheeks of the same arse!
Yep ones on the far right the other one is right of center constipated political system we have!
I don't think either Party has any ideology they have both been captured by Big Corporations.
Lobbying ought to carry a lengthy Prison sentence.
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Re: "I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

Post by k979aaa »

milly wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 12:25
k979aaa wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 12:02
milly wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 11:55
k979aaa wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 11:50
Thing is we are all stuck between a rock and a hard place given that they donated £567 MILLION and they need change because they don't have any money. So do as little as they are offering no motivation in this workplace anymore with the imbalance of the super rich vs the oppressed. Use that agreement and hold them to account by knowing it and all the other agreements. If somehow RM did go bust all the agreements pay terms conditions and even statutory redundancy may not be paid out so think on. This dispute was exacerbated by the conservatives who allowed strike breaking flying agency workers, So we were up against it from the start and the laws of the land that were enacted by strike buster ADVISORS! so when the time comes vote for a different government!
Sir Keir Starmer ain't going to save us either!
Labour and Conservative are both different cheeks of the same arse!
Yep ones on the far right the other one is right of center constipated political system we have!
I don't think either Party has any ideology they have both been captured by Big Corporations.
Lobbying ought to carry a lengthy Prison sentence.
Full of bully's as well.
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Re: "I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

Post by needadvice »

calsae wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:58
k979aaa wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:46
In reality this is not a good deal but to reject it and strike and think we will get a better deal I don't think we can or will get a better deal. Think of this as a retreat a tactical withdrawal lost the battle but live to fight again there is no point fighting till the last man/woman this is a hopeless cause. Thing is in reality it is royal mail who have lost as they have lost our good will and the dressing room because doing as little as possible is the only way forward out of this mess caused by them!
I agree with losing the goodwill & dressing room but I also think a resounding no is better than accepting this deal. RM has run its course as a private company. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was broken up either way over the next year or two wether in private hands or making a stance and it collapsing with the government having to step in to provide a postal service. Either way the CWU is finished in the workplace.
Yep. And we all need to remember, this deal isn't about saving RM, it's about greed and making rich shareholders richer. So there is obviously room for a better offer and a less greedy offer from RM
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Re: "I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

Post by milly »

needadvice wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 14:57
calsae wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:58
k979aaa wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:46
In reality this is not a good deal but to reject it and strike and think we will get a better deal I don't think we can or will get a better deal. Think of this as a retreat a tactical withdrawal lost the battle but live to fight again there is no point fighting till the last man/woman this is a hopeless cause. Thing is in reality it is royal mail who have lost as they have lost our good will and the dressing room because doing as little as possible is the only way forward out of this mess caused by them!
I agree with losing the goodwill & dressing room but I also think a resounding no is better than accepting this deal. RM has run its course as a private company. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was broken up either way over the next year or two wether in private hands or making a stance and it collapsing with the government having to step in to provide a postal service. Either way the CWU is finished in the workplace.
Yep. And we all need to remember, this deal isn't about saving RM, it's about greed and making rich shareholders richer. So there is obviously room for a better offer and a less greedy offer from RM
You've seen the accounts have you?
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Re: "I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

Post by k979aaa »

needadvice wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 14:57
calsae wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:58
k979aaa wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:46
In reality this is not a good deal but to reject it and strike and think we will get a better deal I don't think we can or will get a better deal. Think of this as a retreat a tactical withdrawal lost the battle but live to fight again there is no point fighting till the last man/woman this is a hopeless cause. Thing is in reality it is royal mail who have lost as they have lost our good will and the dressing room because doing as little as possible is the only way forward out of this mess caused by them!
I agree with losing the goodwill & dressing room but I also think a resounding no is better than accepting this deal. RM has run its course as a private company. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was broken up either way over the next year or two wether in private hands or making a stance and it collapsing with the government having to step in to provide a postal service. Either way the CWU is finished in the workplace.
Yep. And we all need to remember, this deal isn't about saving RM, it's about greed and making rich shareholders richer. So there is obviously room for a better offer and a less greedy offer from RM
Are you suggesting we take it back from them? Because they had that payout a year ago sorry to say your living in a dream world and never done a days work in your life!
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Re: "I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

Post by needadvice »

milly wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 14:58
needadvice wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 14:57
calsae wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:58
k979aaa wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:46
In reality this is not a good deal but to reject it and strike and think we will get a better deal I don't think we can or will get a better deal. Think of this as a retreat a tactical withdrawal lost the battle but live to fight again there is no point fighting till the last man/woman this is a hopeless cause. Thing is in reality it is royal mail who have lost as they have lost our good will and the dressing room because doing as little as possible is the only way forward out of this mess caused by them!
I agree with losing the goodwill & dressing room but I also think a resounding no is better than accepting this deal. RM has run its course as a private company. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was broken up either way over the next year or two wether in private hands or making a stance and it collapsing with the government having to step in to provide a postal service. Either way the CWU is finished in the workplace.
Yep. And we all need to remember, this deal isn't about saving RM, it's about greed and making rich shareholders richer. So there is obviously room for a better offer and a less greedy offer from RM
You've seen the accounts have you?
No but please show me so we are on the same page
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Re: "I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

Post by milly »

needadvice wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 15:19
milly wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 14:58
needadvice wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 14:57
calsae wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:58
k979aaa wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:46
In reality this is not a good deal but to reject it and strike and think we will get a better deal I don't think we can or will get a better deal. Think of this as a retreat a tactical withdrawal lost the battle but live to fight again there is no point fighting till the last man/woman this is a hopeless cause. Thing is in reality it is royal mail who have lost as they have lost our good will and the dressing room because doing as little as possible is the only way forward out of this mess caused by them!
I agree with losing the goodwill & dressing room but I also think a resounding no is better than accepting this deal. RM has run its course as a private company. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was broken up either way over the next year or two wether in private hands or making a stance and it collapsing with the government having to step in to provide a postal service. Either way the CWU is finished in the workplace.
Yep. And we all need to remember, this deal isn't about saving RM, it's about greed and making rich shareholders richer. So there is obviously room for a better offer and a less greedy offer from RM
You've seen the accounts have you?
No but please show me so we are on the same page
If you haven't seen the accounts then your assertions are pretty much nonsense.
needadvice
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Re: "I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

Post by needadvice »

milly wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 15:22
needadvice wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 15:19
milly wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 14:58
needadvice wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 14:57
calsae wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:58
k979aaa wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:46
In reality this is not a good deal but to reject it and strike and think we will get a better deal I don't think we can or will get a better deal. Think of this as a retreat a tactical withdrawal lost the battle but live to fight again there is no point fighting till the last man/woman this is a hopeless cause. Thing is in reality it is royal mail who have lost as they have lost our good will and the dressing room because doing as little as possible is the only way forward out of this mess caused by them!
I agree with losing the goodwill & dressing room but I also think a resounding no is better than accepting this deal. RM has run its course as a private company. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was broken up either way over the next year or two wether in private hands or making a stance and it collapsing with the government having to step in to provide a postal service. Either way the CWU is finished in the workplace.
Yep. And we all need to remember, this deal isn't about saving RM, it's about greed and making rich shareholders richer. So there is obviously room for a better offer and a less greedy offer from RM
You've seen the accounts have you?
No but please show me so we are on the same page
If you haven't seen the accounts then your assertions are pretty much nonsense.
I'm glad you represent the minority on here. Get prepared to strike or look for another job :)
milly
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Re: "I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

Post by milly »

needadvice wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 15:23
milly wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 15:22
needadvice wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 15:19
milly wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 14:58
needadvice wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 14:57
calsae wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:58
k979aaa wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:46
In reality this is not a good deal but to reject it and strike and think we will get a better deal I don't think we can or will get a better deal. Think of this as a retreat a tactical withdrawal lost the battle but live to fight again there is no point fighting till the last man/woman this is a hopeless cause. Thing is in reality it is royal mail who have lost as they have lost our good will and the dressing room because doing as little as possible is the only way forward out of this mess caused by them!
I agree with losing the goodwill & dressing room but I also think a resounding no is better than accepting this deal. RM has run its course as a private company. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was broken up either way over the next year or two wether in private hands or making a stance and it collapsing with the government having to step in to provide a postal service. Either way the CWU is finished in the workplace.
Yep. And we all need to remember, this deal isn't about saving RM, it's about greed and making rich shareholders richer. So there is obviously room for a better offer and a less greedy offer from RM
You've seen the accounts have you?
No but please show me so we are on the same page
If you haven't seen the accounts then your assertions are pretty much nonsense.
I'm glad you represent the minority on here. Get prepared to strike or look for another job :)
We will see how the ordinary Postal Worker will vote of which the vast majority I work with aren't Marxist extremists who would rather put the company out of business and their colleagues out of work than back down.
Solidarity comrade :Applause .
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Re: "I’d rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them," TP

Post by 2yearpostie »

11aaa222 wrote:
21 Apr 2023, 22:12
aiden01 wrote:
21 Apr 2023, 22:08
2chorizon wrote:
21 Apr 2023, 22:06
aiden01 wrote:
21 Apr 2023, 22:05
2chorizon wrote:
21 Apr 2023, 22:02
I agree, we stood from day 1 and we all said we would rather smash it to pieces before we let them have their way.

We have been sold out.
Who actually said we would rather smash it to pieces.
We all did……anyone who was “staunch” anyway
Was on picket line every strike does that make me staunch.why would i want to see it smashed to pieces.
because the job will not be worth doing at this rate, underpaid and overworked.

You can get a job that pays similar with no stress or preasure both mentally and physically.

or you can go work for a competitor

either way the job is barely worth it should this deal come in

Why not apply for one of these similar jobs then?
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Re: "I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

Post by k979aaa »

Striking is the hardest thing most people will do in there life on money and the worry but make no mistake your standing up for your belief values and rights and this is the best of all of us!
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Re: "I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

Post by needadvice »

milly wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 15:29
needadvice wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 15:23
milly wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 15:22
needadvice wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 15:19
milly wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 14:58
needadvice wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 14:57
calsae wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:58
k979aaa wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 10:46
In reality this is not a good deal but to reject it and strike and think we will get a better deal I don't think we can or will get a better deal. Think of this as a retreat a tactical withdrawal lost the battle but live to fight again there is no point fighting till the last man/woman this is a hopeless cause. Thing is in reality it is royal mail who have lost as they have lost our good will and the dressing room because doing as little as possible is the only way forward out of this mess caused by them!
I agree with losing the goodwill & dressing room but I also think a resounding no is better than accepting this deal. RM has run its course as a private company. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was broken up either way over the next year or two wether in private hands or making a stance and it collapsing with the government having to step in to provide a postal service. Either way the CWU is finished in the workplace.
Yep. And we all need to remember, this deal isn't about saving RM, it's about greed and making rich shareholders richer. So there is obviously room for a better offer and a less greedy offer from RM
You've seen the accounts have you?
No but please show me so we are on the same page
If you haven't seen the accounts then your assertions are pretty much nonsense.
I'm glad you represent the minority on here. Get prepared to strike or look for another job :)
We will see how the ordinary Postal Worker will vote of which the vast majority I work with aren't Marxist extremists who would rather put the company out of business and their colleagues out of work than back down.
Solidarity comrade :Applause .
You work in processing so you would accept the deal. Whatever suits you
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Re: "I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

Post by k979aaa »

Everyone has their own perspective of the deal it may work for them this is why I do not tell people how to vote on this issue. General election I hate despise the tory party. OK on that
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Re: "I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

Post by needadvice »

k979aaa wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 16:16
Everyone has their own perspective of the deal it may work for them this is why I do not tell people how to vote on this issue. General election I hate despise the tory party. OK on that
you are very provocative and threatening with your opinions so you are no better
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Re: "I'd rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them" TP

Post by k979aaa »

needadvice wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 17:33
k979aaa wrote:
22 Apr 2023, 16:16
Everyone has their own perspective of the deal it may work for them this is why I do not tell people how to vote on this issue. General election I hate despise the tory party. OK on that
you are very provocative and threatening with your opinions so you are no better
Learn a lesson don't go where your nightmares are pepper pig time for you!