The deal : Business Recovery, Transformation and Growth Agreement

[ArthurPewty]

Dreadful deal. Can't believe the union have sold us down the river on BOTH pay AND t&c's. Anyone whose knee jerk reaction is to quit the CWU now. Don't! As said previously, vote No then cancel your subs. I'm seething. Let the CWU know that we, the rank and file who pay their wages will not settle for this shower of s**t. I can't believe they've got the brass neck to recommend we accept it.
Brings to mind the end of Animal Farm when the workers looked through the window at the farmers (RM) and the pigs (CWU) sitting negotiating round the table and couldn't tell them apart!

[norris9]

But remember people, if you leave the union you won’t get the future profits scheme!

So let's say Royal Mail make a £300 million profit. 20% = £60 million. I assume this is divided up between all of us. How many of us are there? 130,000?....

So we'd each get a £461 bonus.... nothing special, especially based on how the company is doing right now.... we might barely make any profit in coming years. Also, the £200 we normally get will probably now be scrapped.... so if Royal Mail don't make profit then we'll get zero at Xmas.


Problem is - we have Thompson in charge so we'll probably make a £300million+ loss each year.

[dazzler123]

Pretty stunned all the secrecy and build up was for this, what gives?

[Judgee]

Thought it would be bad and sadly it really is. 8% pay cut for last year (taking into consideration inflation). 2% pay cut for this year (considering current inflation rate and taking in lump sum) and God knows what kind of pay cut the 2% next year's pay "rise" will end up costing us?

Someone should tell the CWU it doesnt matter how much you polish a turd it's always going to be a turd.

Always thought getting rid of Thompson was the real change needed here. I'm starting to think a change in union leadership may be just as important?

No from me!

[FilthyBloke]

But remember people, if you leave the union you won’t get the future profits scheme!

So let's say Royal Mail make a £300 million profit. 20% = £60 million. I assume this is divided up between all of us. How many of us are there? 130,000?....

So we'd each get a £461 bonus.... nothing special, especially based on how the company is doing right now.... we might barely make any profit in coming years. Also, the £200 we normally get will probably now be scrapped.... so if Royal Mail don't make profit then we'll get zero at Xmas.


Problem is - we have Thompson in charge so we'll probably make a £300million+ loss each year.

Most likely….
Probably pro rata.

I keep looking at the deal and it’s surprisingly bad….

[freespeech]

10% over 3 years is a 3.33% pay rise.

I assume '10% over 3 years' simply means that there will be no talks on pay for another 3 years, so obviously no more increases until then....

You are not getting a 3.33% pay rise, sir..... you have already had 2%, you will be topped up another 6% and the £500 lump sum is the other 2%...

2% + 6% + 2% (lump sum) = a 10% pay rise this year.

You won't be getting a lump sum in following years, so instead they will top you up the extra 2% in april 2024.

No, the next pay review is April 2025 so I suspect discusions will start late 2024 so about 18 months time. The 2022 pay rise has been implemented, 2023 will be implemented if there is a yes vote and 2024 automatic next April.

[Shadedpostie]

I have had thoughts of leaving this company for awhile now but this agreement has sealed it for me. 18 days of strikes only for union to basically end up agreeing with the majority of the terms we strikes for. Went that extra mile and chose no overtime to stop them from clearing because thought they had somewhat of a fighting chance to. But, all they have done is just delayed everything. No improving posties OT pay because business is run on it practically, no pay rise to match inflation. These are few of the many things this union has failed on. The holiday entitlement was bad enough, but this is just insulting if I'm being honest.

The £1500 might have soften the blow a bit for a lot of people but still was s**t. Then, you have to ask yourself what the hell were they talking about for one to two weeks if the agreement is almost the exact same as the one they first rejected??? Don't know what CWU's play is here or maybe they've just given up and are just happy they are no longer getting pushed out of the workplace. But, will never ever strike under their banner again. Will just look elsewhere for a job that appreciates the hard work. What a complete shambles of a company and a union.

[needadvice]

Dreadful deal. Can't believe the union have sold us down the river on BOTH pay AND t&c's. Anyone whose knee jerk reaction is to quit the CWU now. Don't! As said previously, vote No then cancel your subs. I'm seething. Let the CWU know that we, the rank and file who pay their wages will not settle for this shower of s**t. I can't believe they've got the brass neck to recommend we accept it.
Brings to mind the end of Animal Farm when the workers looked through the window at the farmers (RM) and the pigs (CWU) sitting negotiating round the table and couldn't tell them apart!

Exactly. Don't let CWU get away with this. End your subscription when we get a better deal. If you are against them, stay with them and let them know you disapprove

[freespeech]

But remember people, if you leave the union you won’t get the future profits scheme!

Rubbish......it's illegal to discriminate on the basis of union membership. The scheme will apply to all relevant CWU grades as outlined in the agreement.

[freespeech]

The pay deal is ok for me. I remember back in December last year people in here were thinking we wouldn't even get 8%.

Not sure why the £1,500 version of the deal hasn't been offered.... but at the end of the day we get the same amount of money, but spaced out over the year.

10% is ok in my opinion. Even though I live in an expensive area of the country where house prices and rents are 20% to 50% higher than up north.


What did people want? 15%, 20%?, 30%?


Pay is the least concerning thing out of the whole deal. 4.30pm finish - sucks. Working short summers and long winters - sucks. I haven't even read about the sickness policy yet, but I bet it sucks.

We havent had 8%.

It will be if voted in......2% in 2022 and 6% paid after a yes vote and backdated to April 2023.

[CRIBMAD]

Dreadful deal. Can't believe the union have sold us down the river on BOTH pay AND t&c's. Anyone whose knee jerk reaction is to quit the CWU now. Don't! As said previously, vote No then cancel your subs. I'm seething. Let the CWU know that we, the rank and file who pay their wages will not settle for this shower of s**t. I can't believe they've got the brass neck to recommend we accept it.
Brings to mind the end of Animal Farm when the workers looked through the window at the farmers (RM) and the pigs (CWU) sitting negotiating round the table and couldn't tell them apart!

ELOQUENTLY PUT ! (cant get away from George Orwell though can we lol)

[Sloanranger360]

I’ll be voting No

The sick pay changes are really poor let alone changes to the attendance standards in RMs favour. It is punitive for those with genuine sickness. Really disappointing

[needadvice]

Remember Share in Sucess anybody? Right before we were all due a nice bonuses, RM decided to cook the books so they didn't have to give us anything...

Never rely on goodwill from the RM!

[norris9]

I don't see any issues with the pay deal, it's adequate.

The things to complain about are the sick pay changes and the fact you are going to be working later from next year.

But I am actually done with the whole dispute that I am happy to sign the deal and move on.


The sick pay changes are sickening as they are punishing people for genuine sickness. If you have 1 day off as your first absence and a 2 day second absence in a year, you won't get sick pay for 2 of those 3 days....

Thompson himself was insinuating we are a company of skivers (not true), so why isn't he going for the people with 10+ days off in a year as they are the ones more likely to be skiving. Don't go after people who have had a few days off in a year!!!! ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!

[redlen]

This 2% pay red herring should not even be part of the agreement as they have already imposed it.
Smoke screen and mirrors. .