Negotiators agreement reached

[JKSmudge]

Have voted 'NO' to all the union agreements in last 8 years - will need to see details, but expect to be a no from me. Union capitulates a as per normal.

What a waste of time and money.

RM - we are in financial difficulty.

Us - We are in a worse position !

CWU - side with RM

Me - Looking elsewhere for employers who aren't complete Cnts

How can you vote no in the last 8 years, when the last time we went on strike was around 12 years ago?

... because we had previous s**t deals that people voted 'Yes' on.....

[milly]

Thank goodness for that .

Why? You have no idea what is in the negotiator's agreement.

I doubt there's much to celebrate, but again I don't know.

We have to see it.

I don't see the point of throwing good money after bad, we gave it a good go and continuing would result in a Pyrrhic victory.

A totally bizarre reply.
You are already signing up for something you have no idea what it is.

Not really how much more money were you willing to lose?another £1500?
Then what kind of deal would you be looking at to get your 3k back?

AHH , you work in processing.

Nuff said

Just rem if its voted in it will be voted in by del staff as they outnumber processing by at least 3-1 so enuf crap about where people work ffs.

You are quite correct, it will be Delivery Staff that make or break this deal.
I think most people have had enough of this saga.
If the deal is approved I may have to remind our more Millitant colleagues that it was you lot that voted for it .

Get those bags on your back Milly..
Get a taste of what it's like on delivery. We don't get the chance to amble around your rural location . The onus is on us.

Been there, done that!
Don't you Delivery Guys shaft us Processing Guys in the Ballot!

Are you not both in the same UNION I think you need to look up the meaning of the word..

You wouldn't think so, diversity of opinion isn't well respected on this forum.
People have to make up their own minds how they vote and for their decision to be respected.

[twoloops]

Like all big companies like RM have to employ so many idiots & yes men or the place could not operate sadly this will be the death of the job, surprised they have not dangled a few Christmas Stamps that usually breaks em

[RHONE]

If we got what we voted for last time we would be on a 35 HR contract (AS AGREED BY THE WAY) that's a £25-30 pay rise in my eyes as they have just saved that I feel I've been given a long pointy stick up the hiny hole with no reach around

[walthmstowman]

I’m gunna try not to be too negative until I read the full details next week but my hopes are not too high that this
agreement will be any good. If it’s still later starts and the pitiful 10% over 3 years garbage then they won’t be getting
My support in the vote for it.
Time will tell.

The carrot of a lump sum will get it over the line and 95% of the workforce won’t read the agreement

I agree . Whatever deal the union recommend the membership will vote for it .

[Flashman_]

Whatever the deal is please remember these important factors
1. The taxman will take over 20% of any lump sum in Tax and NI.
2. Any pay rise below inflation is not a pay rise, and again the Tax man will take 20% of that anyway
3.Royal mail have increased stamp prices twice, last year at almost 12% and this year at 16%, yet we only saw an imposed rise of 2% + whatever this deal will be, consider that when you decide to vote.
4.Despite whatever changes to your T&C are agreed, Royal Mail will come back for more, even before the agreement has run its course.
5.Latest predictions from the IMF say inflation will now last longer than most earlier predictions so you have to ask are you happy to tie in to a poor deal that gives you a below inflation rise that may only match inflation as it was a over year ago, but not until 2024.
6. Are you prepared to accept all the changes they want for the true value of the cash on offer, and is it fair and reasonable in your eyes.
7.Are you prepared to see and accept shareholders raking cash in,again, almost as soon as the ink on the paper is dry, following an agreement. Proving the BS about company finances false, but you could not do a thing about it.
These are just some of the things to consider when we see the deal, I know there are more but these are the first ones that came to my mind.

[datasaint]

Whatever the deal is please remember these important factors
1. The taxman will take over 20% of any lump sum in Tax and NI.
2. Any pay rise below inflation is not a pay rise, and again the Tax man will take 20% of that anyway
3.Royal mail have increased stamp prices twice, last year at almost 12% and this year at 16%, yet we only saw an imposed rise of 2% + whatever this deal will be, consider that when you decide to vote.
4.Despite whatever changes to your T&C are agreed, Royal Mail will come back for more, even before the agreement has run its course.
5.Latest predictions from the IMF say inflation will now last longer than most earlier predictions so you have to ask are you happy to tie in to a poor deal that gives you a below inflation rise that may only match inflation as it was a over year ago, but not until 2024.
6. Are you prepared to accept all the changes they want for the true value of the cash on offer, and is it fair and reasonable in your eyes.
7.Are you prepared to see and accept shareholders raking cash in,again, almost as soon as the ink on the paper is dry, following an agreement. Proving the BS about company finances false, but you could not do a thing about it.
These are just some of the things to consider when we see the deal, I know there are more but these are the first ones that came to my mind.

All very true.

But if the union won't call strikes, what can you do. RM knew they had them on the ropes, they've been one step ahead all through the dispute. The only way this could have gone better was if strikes had been long at the very start to create maximum disruption and generate interest from the media/public/government. The softly softly approach was literally a waste of time and money, and sadly reps have been left suspended/sacked for supporting a series of strikes that were going nowhere.

[LouBarlow]

Whatever the deal is please remember these important factors
1. The taxman will take over 20% of any lump sum in Tax and NI.
2. Any pay rise below inflation is not a pay rise, and again the Tax man will take 20% of that anyway
3.Royal mail have increased stamp prices twice, last year at almost 12% and this year at 16%, yet we only saw an imposed rise of 2% + whatever this deal will be, consider that when you decide to vote.
4.Despite whatever changes to your T&C are agreed, Royal Mail will come back for more, even before the agreement has run its course.
5.Latest predictions from the IMF say inflation will now last longer than most earlier predictions so you have to ask are you happy to tie in to a poor deal that gives you a below inflation rise that may only match inflation as it was a over year ago, but not until 2024.
6. Are you prepared to accept all the changes they want for the true value of the cash on offer, and is it fair and reasonable in your eyes.
7.Are you prepared to see and accept shareholders raking cash in,again, almost as soon as the ink on the paper is dry, following an agreement. Proving the BS about company finances false, but you could not do a thing about it.
These are just some of the things to consider when we see the deal, I know there are more but these are the first ones that came to my mind.

This may all be true, but I’d rather have an agreement, a pay rise and a lump sum, instead of having changes rammed through anyway without them.

[Wullie10]

If they don't go back to 9.30 finishes, 8am on at Saturday, second delivery, paid weekly in cash , the grey uniform with ties , a ban on shorts , letters only , all packets thrown out to the packet man and smoking on your bench and the return of cycles then I'm voting No.

[Shirtbuttons]

Am I right in thinking the delivery staff will get shafted as usual? I don’t like the commit to deliver part. No matter the amount of work you will stay out and complete I’ve heard. Let’s hope that is incorrect.

[milly]

Whatever the deal is please remember these important factors
1. The taxman will take over 20% of any lump sum in Tax and NI.
2. Any pay rise below inflation is not a pay rise, and again the Tax man will take 20% of that anyway
3.Royal mail have increased stamp prices twice, last year at almost 12% and this year at 16%, yet we only saw an imposed rise of 2% + whatever this deal will be, consider that when you decide to vote.
4.Despite whatever changes to your T&C are agreed, Royal Mail will come back for more, even before the agreement has run its course.
5.Latest predictions from the IMF say inflation will now last longer than most earlier predictions so you have to ask are you happy to tie in to a poor deal that gives you a below inflation rise that may only match inflation as it was a over year ago, but not until 2024.
6. Are you prepared to accept all the changes they want for the true value of the cash on offer, and is it fair and reasonable in your eyes.
7.Are you prepared to see and accept shareholders raking cash in,again, almost as soon as the ink on the paper is dry, following an agreement. Proving the BS about company finances false, but you could not do a thing about it.
These are just some of the things to consider when we see the deal, I know there are more but these are the first ones that came to my mind.

Inflation is here to stay for the next decade at least.
The UK Government has two choices, either to let inflation run or default on the debt.
Governments will almost always try and inflate the debt away.
When they say the are going to tackle inflation be aware that they have no intention of doing so.
This is a massive transfer of wealth from the Workers and savers to the wealthy.
This is why the media continue to try and divide us in the hope that collectively we don't notice that we are being impoverished.

[1617mel]

OK people, most of the ins and outs have been discussed already , some great questions and answers, in previous disputes, pay offers, conditions offers, when the CWU executives propose that the workforce accept the offer on pay and conditions, normally this is voted yes by the workforce, it would be difficult to see an alternative outcome if the CWU, recommended the yes vote. I think 77% or so people balloted for strike action , if the hidden 23% now take part in the vote, I wonder what that will result in? The time is ideal for the offer , April is the time of year when all sorts of costs council tax ect, normally rise, So RM know this is normally true, at the end of the day people will have to make a choice................

[guardianangel]

Here we go its UNISON time.

[Neverwasadoor]

On the glossy two page sheet released earlier this week it said start times to change by 60-90 minutes. I'm north of the border so expecting 90. Then with the seasonal 24 minutes in winter and the 30 minutes flex which didn't seem so optional in this agreement. Means in the winter it will be 2.30hrs later.
As people say the devil will be in the detail but that sounds crap.

[SpacePhoenix]

Am I right in thinking the delivery staff will get shafted as usual? I don’t like the commit to deliver part. No matter the amount of work you will stay out and complete I’ve heard. Let’s hope that is incorrect.

Remember that delivery staff outnumber all those in RDCs, MCs, and probably MDECs combined by at least 2:1, probably more likely 3:1 or even 4:1 with the increase i the use of casuals/agency in MCs, so it'll be voted in or out by delivery staff