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[chickenwittle]

If the deal is what RM have basically offered, which is 10% over 3 years, you can make that 13% over 3 years just by cancelling your union subs.

Just saying……

No union and we wouldnt have even been offered the measly 2% for last year

Just saying...

Hey, if you’re happy with your union clap your hands.
A lot of people aren’t it seems.

For a person who is a not in the CWU, you invest an unhealthy amount of time posting about the CWU. Its a pretty tragic to think there's someone, out there, who's soulmate seems to be s**t posting, on a minute by minute basis, about a union they don't belong to.

It involves the company I have invested lots of time and effort into over the years so the union does still affect me.
When we have a weak union, like we do now, it makes people miserable.

Utter nonsense. What is making people miserable is the current management eroding the company, that you've allegedly invested so much time in. I don't see this reflected proportionally in your posts. Instead, you're posts serve no other purpose than to try to undermine and weaken the CWU's position, of which you're not a member. You have no union, so you can drop the "we". You're either a bad faith actor, or genuinely deluded.

The terms and conditions that everyone is in full scale panic over losing, were negotiated and protected by this so called "weak" union. I've been a member of other unions, in my days, so, if you want to talk about weak unions, take a look at USDAW. Heard anything from this union during the spate of industrial action across the country? Naa, now that's weak.

It seems to me that the only way people ever realise the value of something, is by losing it. Its endlessly pointed out just what sort of employment landscape we would have if there was no CWU to stand in the way of this management. It doesn't take a genius to realise that we'd all be on entirely different contracts, work hours and pay, or redundant, at this point. Yet the CWU is weak and the best thing to do is remove ourselves from a position of collective bargaining position, and leave everything up to the management who are attacking our jobs, terms and conditions. Total joke!

But that’s your mindset. That the only things good about the company are because of the union and everything bad is because of the company.

There are jobs iv had that haven’t had a union and they were fine. Some not so fine.

The terms the union fought so hard to get in the Agenda for Growth they threw away when the balloted for strike over pay last year. Shot themselves in the foot. They come across as amateurish the videos and twitter feeds are like kids have managed them.

Silly slogans and propaganda posters adding further paranoia to its workforce like they are about to face the enemy in WWII.

And then when the union needs to act it makes poorly planned strike action (when it doesn’t cancel them last minute) and then updates it members with empty waffle.

For someone that isn’t a union member, you do a hell of a lot of talking about them , very strange behaviour.

[FilthyBloke]

If the deal is what RM have basically offered, which is 10% over 3 years, you can make that 13% over 3 years just by cancelling your union subs.

Just saying……

No union and we wouldnt have even been offered the measly 2% for last year

Just saying...

Hey, if you’re happy with your union clap your hands.
A lot of people aren’t it seems.

For a person who is a not in the CWU, you invest an unhealthy amount of time posting about the CWU. Its a pretty tragic to think there's someone, out there, who's soulmate seems to be s**t posting, on a minute by minute basis, about a union they don't belong to.

It involves the company I have invested lots of time and effort into over the years so the union does still affect me.
When we have a weak union, like we do now, it makes people miserable.

Utter nonsense. What is making people miserable is the current management eroding the company, that you've allegedly invested so much time in. I don't see this reflected proportionally in your posts. Instead, you're posts serve no other purpose than to try to undermine and weaken the CWU's position, of which you're not a member. You have no union, so you can drop the "we". You're either a bad faith actor, or genuinely deluded.

The terms and conditions that everyone is in full scale panic over losing, were negotiated and protected by this so called "weak" union. I've been a member of other unions, in my days, so, if you want to talk about weak unions, take a look at USDAW. Heard anything from this union during the spate of industrial action across the country? Naa, now that's weak.

It seems to me that the only way people ever realise the value of something, is by losing it. Its endlessly pointed out just what sort of employment landscape we would have if there was no CWU to stand in the way of this management. It doesn't take a genius to realise that we'd all be on entirely different contracts, work hours and pay, or redundant, at this point. Yet the CWU is weak and the best thing to do is remove ourselves from a position of collective bargaining position, and leave everything up to the management who are attacking our jobs, terms and conditions. Total joke!

But that’s your mindset. That the only things good about the company are because of the union and everything bad is because of the company.

There are jobs iv had that haven’t had a union and they were fine. Some not so fine.

The terms the union fought so hard to get in the Agenda for Growth they threw away when the balloted for strike over pay last year. Shot themselves in the foot. They come across as amateurish the videos and twitter feeds are like kids have managed them.

Silly slogans and propaganda posters adding further paranoia to its workforce like they are about to face the enemy in WWII.

And then when the union needs to act it makes poorly planned strike action (when it doesn’t cancel them last minute) and then updates it members with empty waffle.

For someone that isn’t a union member, you do a hell of a lot of talking about them , very strange behaviour.

Because their decision making affects my job.
It’s not strange at all.

[datasaint]

The union have bottled it. They had no real plan from the very start. Reps have lost their jobs from being on the picket line for what? If they weren't serious about seeing the strikes through until the end they shouldn't have bothered.

The moment they lost ground on getting a 'no strings pay rise' the tone of the dispute was set. Every month they've lost ground to RM through inaction. They thought the parliamentary committee was some magic bullet in reality was just a circus show.

[chickenwittle]

If the deal is what RM have basically offered, which is 10% over 3 years, you can make that 13% over 3 years just by cancelling your union subs.

Just saying……

No union and we wouldnt have even been offered the measly 2% for last year

Just saying...

Hey, if you’re happy with your union clap your hands.
A lot of people aren’t it seems.

For a person who is a not in the CWU, you invest an unhealthy amount of time posting about the CWU. Its a pretty tragic to think there's someone, out there, who's soulmate seems to be s**t posting, on a minute by minute basis, about a union they don't belong to.

It involves the company I have invested lots of time and effort into over the years so the union does still affect me.
When we have a weak union, like we do now, it makes people miserable.

Utter nonsense. What is making people miserable is the current management eroding the company, that you've allegedly invested so much time in. I don't see this reflected proportionally in your posts. Instead, you're posts serve no other purpose than to try to undermine and weaken the CWU's position, of which you're not a member. You have no union, so you can drop the "we". You're either a bad faith actor, or genuinely deluded.

The terms and conditions that everyone is in full scale panic over losing, were negotiated and protected by this so called "weak" union. I've been a member of other unions, in my days, so, if you want to talk about weak unions, take a look at USDAW. Heard anything from this union during the spate of industrial action across the country? Naa, now that's weak.

It seems to me that the only way people ever realise the value of something, is by losing it. Its endlessly pointed out just what sort of employment landscape we would have if there was no CWU to stand in the way of this management. It doesn't take a genius to realise that we'd all be on entirely different contracts, work hours and pay, or redundant, at this point. Yet the CWU is weak and the best thing to do is remove ourselves from a position of collective bargaining position, and leave everything up to the management who are attacking our jobs, terms and conditions. Total joke!

But that’s your mindset. That the only things good about the company are because of the union and everything bad is because of the company.

There are jobs iv had that haven’t had a union and they were fine. Some not so fine.

The terms the union fought so hard to get in the Agenda for Growth they threw away when the balloted for strike over pay last year. Shot themselves in the foot. They come across as amateurish the videos and twitter feeds are like kids have managed them.

Silly slogans and propaganda posters adding further paranoia to its workforce like they are about to face the enemy in WWII.

And then when the union needs to act it makes poorly planned strike action (when it doesn’t cancel them last minute) and then updates it members with empty waffle.

For someone that isn’t a union member, you do a hell of a lot of talking about them , very strange behaviour.

Because their decision making affects my job.
It’s not strange at all.

It doesn’t matter you can’t effect anything by voting anyway so just sit on the sidelines and accept what your given.

[FilthyBloke]

If the deal is what RM have basically offered, which is 10% over 3 years, you can make that 13% over 3 years just by cancelling your union subs.

Just saying……

No union and we wouldnt have even been offered the measly 2% for last year

Just saying...

Hey, if you’re happy with your union clap your hands.
A lot of people aren’t it seems.

For a person who is a not in the CWU, you invest an unhealthy amount of time posting about the CWU. Its a pretty tragic to think there's someone, out there, who's soulmate seems to be s**t posting, on a minute by minute basis, about a union they don't belong to.

It involves the company I have invested lots of time and effort into over the years so the union does still affect me.
When we have a weak union, like we do now, it makes people miserable.

Utter nonsense. What is making people miserable is the current management eroding the company, that you've allegedly invested so much time in. I don't see this reflected proportionally in your posts. Instead, you're posts serve no other purpose than to try to undermine and weaken the CWU's position, of which you're not a member. You have no union, so you can drop the "we". You're either a bad faith actor, or genuinely deluded.

The terms and conditions that everyone is in full scale panic over losing, were negotiated and protected by this so called "weak" union. I've been a member of other unions, in my days, so, if you want to talk about weak unions, take a look at USDAW. Heard anything from this union during the spate of industrial action across the country? Naa, now that's weak.

It seems to me that the only way people ever realise the value of something, is by losing it. Its endlessly pointed out just what sort of employment landscape we would have if there was no CWU to stand in the way of this management. It doesn't take a genius to realise that we'd all be on entirely different contracts, work hours and pay, or redundant, at this point. Yet the CWU is weak and the best thing to do is remove ourselves from a position of collective bargaining position, and leave everything up to the management who are attacking our jobs, terms and conditions. Total joke!

But that’s your mindset. That the only things good about the company are because of the union and everything bad is because of the company.

There are jobs iv had that haven’t had a union and they were fine. Some not so fine.

The terms the union fought so hard to get in the Agenda for Growth they threw away when the balloted for strike over pay last year. Shot themselves in the foot. They come across as amateurish the videos and twitter feeds are like kids have managed them.

Silly slogans and propaganda posters adding further paranoia to its workforce like they are about to face the enemy in WWII.

And then when the union needs to act it makes poorly planned strike action (when it doesn’t cancel them last minute) and then updates it members with empty waffle.

For someone that isn’t a union member, you do a hell of a lot of talking about them , very strange behaviour.

Because their decision making affects my job.
It’s not strange at all.

It doesn’t matter you can’t effect anything by voting anyway so just sit on the sidelines and accept what your given.

I will. Luckily I didn’t lose 2 grand in strike days. I’m hoping RM go above CWU and just offer it to all members of staff.

[chickenwittle]

If the deal is what RM have basically offered, which is 10% over 3 years, you can make that 13% over 3 years just by cancelling your union subs.

Just saying……

No union and we wouldnt have even been offered the measly 2% for last year

Just saying...

Hey, if you’re happy with your union clap your hands.
A lot of people aren’t it seems.

For a person who is a not in the CWU, you invest an unhealthy amount of time posting about the CWU. Its a pretty tragic to think there's someone, out there, who's soulmate seems to be s**t posting, on a minute by minute basis, about a union they don't belong to.

It involves the company I have invested lots of time and effort into over the years so the union does still affect me.
When we have a weak union, like we do now, it makes people miserable.

Utter nonsense. What is making people miserable is the current management eroding the company, that you've allegedly invested so much time in. I don't see this reflected proportionally in your posts. Instead, you're posts serve no other purpose than to try to undermine and weaken the CWU's position, of which you're not a member. You have no union, so you can drop the "we". You're either a bad faith actor, or genuinely deluded.

The terms and conditions that everyone is in full scale panic over losing, were negotiated and protected by this so called "weak" union. I've been a member of other unions, in my days, so, if you want to talk about weak unions, take a look at USDAW. Heard anything from this union during the spate of industrial action across the country? Naa, now that's weak.

It seems to me that the only way people ever realise the value of something, is by losing it. Its endlessly pointed out just what sort of employment landscape we would have if there was no CWU to stand in the way of this management. It doesn't take a genius to realise that we'd all be on entirely different contracts, work hours and pay, or redundant, at this point. Yet the CWU is weak and the best thing to do is remove ourselves from a position of collective bargaining position, and leave everything up to the management who are attacking our jobs, terms and conditions. Total joke!

But that’s your mindset. That the only things good about the company are because of the union and everything bad is because of the company.

There are jobs iv had that haven’t had a union and they were fine. Some not so fine.

The terms the union fought so hard to get in the Agenda for Growth they threw away when the balloted for strike over pay last year. Shot themselves in the foot. They come across as amateurish the videos and twitter feeds are like kids have managed them.

Silly slogans and propaganda posters adding further paranoia to its workforce like they are about to face the enemy in WWII.

And then when the union needs to act it makes poorly planned strike action (when it doesn’t cancel them last minute) and then updates it members with empty waffle.

For someone that isn’t a union member, you do a hell of a lot of talking about them , very strange behaviour.

Because their decision making affects my job.
It’s not strange at all.

It doesn’t matter you can’t effect anything by voting anyway so just sit on the sidelines and accept what your given.

I will. Luckily I didn’t lose 2 grand in strike days. I’m hoping RM go above CWU and just offer it to all members of staff.

Pointless, would never get voted in without union backing, even Royal Mail aren’t that stupid,

[FilthyBloke]

If the deal is what RM have basically offered, which is 10% over 3 years, you can make that 13% over 3 years just by cancelling your union subs.

Just saying……

No union and we wouldnt have even been offered the measly 2% for last year

Just saying...

Hey, if you’re happy with your union clap your hands.
A lot of people aren’t it seems.

For a person who is a not in the CWU, you invest an unhealthy amount of time posting about the CWU. Its a pretty tragic to think there's someone, out there, who's soulmate seems to be s**t posting, on a minute by minute basis, about a union they don't belong to.

It involves the company I have invested lots of time and effort into over the years so the union does still affect me.
When we have a weak union, like we do now, it makes people miserable.

Utter nonsense. What is making people miserable is the current management eroding the company, that you've allegedly invested so much time in. I don't see this reflected proportionally in your posts. Instead, you're posts serve no other purpose than to try to undermine and weaken the CWU's position, of which you're not a member. You have no union, so you can drop the "we". You're either a bad faith actor, or genuinely deluded.

The terms and conditions that everyone is in full scale panic over losing, were negotiated and protected by this so called "weak" union. I've been a member of other unions, in my days, so, if you want to talk about weak unions, take a look at USDAW. Heard anything from this union during the spate of industrial action across the country? Naa, now that's weak.

It seems to me that the only way people ever realise the value of something, is by losing it. Its endlessly pointed out just what sort of employment landscape we would have if there was no CWU to stand in the way of this management. It doesn't take a genius to realise that we'd all be on entirely different contracts, work hours and pay, or redundant, at this point. Yet the CWU is weak and the best thing to do is remove ourselves from a position of collective bargaining position, and leave everything up to the management who are attacking our jobs, terms and conditions. Total joke!

But that’s your mindset. That the only things good about the company are because of the union and everything bad is because of the company.

There are jobs iv had that haven’t had a union and they were fine. Some not so fine.

The terms the union fought so hard to get in the Agenda for Growth they threw away when the balloted for strike over pay last year. Shot themselves in the foot. They come across as amateurish the videos and twitter feeds are like kids have managed them.

Silly slogans and propaganda posters adding further paranoia to its workforce like they are about to face the enemy in WWII.

And then when the union needs to act it makes poorly planned strike action (when it doesn’t cancel them last minute) and then updates it members with empty waffle.

For someone that isn’t a union member, you do a hell of a lot of talking about them , very strange behaviour.

Because their decision making affects my job.
It’s not strange at all.

It doesn’t matter you can’t effect anything by voting anyway so just sit on the sidelines and accept what your given.

I will. Luckily I didn’t lose 2 grand in strike days. I’m hoping RM go above CWU and just offer it to all members of staff.

Pointless, would never get voted in without union backing, even Royal Mail aren’t that stupid,

They forced the 2% in and all the other recent changes….

[chickenwittle]

If the deal is what RM have basically offered, which is 10% over 3 years, you can make that 13% over 3 years just by cancelling your union subs.

Just saying……

No union and we wouldnt have even been offered the measly 2% for last year

Just saying...

Hey, if you’re happy with your union clap your hands.
A lot of people aren’t it seems.

For a person who is a not in the CWU, you invest an unhealthy amount of time posting about the CWU. Its a pretty tragic to think there's someone, out there, who's soulmate seems to be s**t posting, on a minute by minute basis, about a union they don't belong to.

It involves the company I have invested lots of time and effort into over the years so the union does still affect me.
When we have a weak union, like we do now, it makes people miserable.

Utter nonsense. What is making people miserable is the current management eroding the company, that you've allegedly invested so much time in. I don't see this reflected proportionally in your posts. Instead, you're posts serve no other purpose than to try to undermine and weaken the CWU's position, of which you're not a member. You have no union, so you can drop the "we". You're either a bad faith actor, or genuinely deluded.

The terms and conditions that everyone is in full scale panic over losing, were negotiated and protected by this so called "weak" union. I've been a member of other unions, in my days, so, if you want to talk about weak unions, take a look at USDAW. Heard anything from this union during the spate of industrial action across the country? Naa, now that's weak.

It seems to me that the only way people ever realise the value of something, is by losing it. Its endlessly pointed out just what sort of employment landscape we would have if there was no CWU to stand in the way of this management. It doesn't take a genius to realise that we'd all be on entirely different contracts, work hours and pay, or redundant, at this point. Yet the CWU is weak and the best thing to do is remove ourselves from a position of collective bargaining position, and leave everything up to the management who are attacking our jobs, terms and conditions. Total joke!

But that’s your mindset. That the only things good about the company are because of the union and everything bad is because of the company.

There are jobs iv had that haven’t had a union and they were fine. Some not so fine.

The terms the union fought so hard to get in the Agenda for Growth they threw away when the balloted for strike over pay last year. Shot themselves in the foot. They come across as amateurish the videos and twitter feeds are like kids have managed them.

Silly slogans and propaganda posters adding further paranoia to its workforce like they are about to face the enemy in WWII.

And then when the union needs to act it makes poorly planned strike action (when it doesn’t cancel them last minute) and then updates it members with empty waffle.

For someone that isn’t a union member, you do a hell of a lot of talking about them , very strange behaviour.

Because their decision making affects my job.
It’s not strange at all.

It doesn’t matter you can’t effect anything by voting anyway so just sit on the sidelines and accept what your given.

I will. Luckily I didn’t lose 2 grand in strike days. I’m hoping RM go above CWU and just offer it to all members of staff.

Pointless, would never get voted in without union backing, even Royal Mail aren’t that stupid,

They forced the 2% in and all the other recent changes….

That was imposed and wasn’t an offer to the workforce like you previously stated , your moving the goalposts again , which is what you do when you know your talking rubbish.

[Dexydog]

Was just thinking the same.
They could just pay us another 2% from now, without even a lump sum.
Then what?
The game is up- we either strike indefinitely (with all that entails), offer up for a vote whats on the table, or take what we're given.
It really is that simple now.

[redlen]

In reality there is nothing stopping Royal Mail imposing non contractual changes through executive action.They no longer recognize the concept of collective bargaining.

The CWU have nothing left to object with, they will not even call the members out

[chickenwittle]

Was just thinking the same.
They could just pay us another 2% from now, without even a lump sum.
Then what?
The game is up- we either strike indefinitely (with all that entails), offer up for a vote whats on the table, or take what we're given.
It really is that simple now.

You’ll get your vote or strike announcement in a few days .

[FilthyBloke]

If the deal is what RM have basically offered, which is 10% over 3 years, you can make that 13% over 3 years just by cancelling your union subs.

Just saying……

No union and we wouldnt have even been offered the measly 2% for last year

Just saying...

Hey, if you’re happy with your union clap your hands.
A lot of people aren’t it seems.

For a person who is a not in the CWU, you invest an unhealthy amount of time posting about the CWU. Its a pretty tragic to think there's someone, out there, who's soulmate seems to be s**t posting, on a minute by minute basis, about a union they don't belong to.

It involves the company I have invested lots of time and effort into over the years so the union does still affect me.
When we have a weak union, like we do now, it makes people miserable.

Utter nonsense. What is making people miserable is the current management eroding the company, that you've allegedly invested so much time in. I don't see this reflected proportionally in your posts. Instead, you're posts serve no other purpose than to try to undermine and weaken the CWU's position, of which you're not a member. You have no union, so you can drop the "we". You're either a bad faith actor, or genuinely deluded.

The terms and conditions that everyone is in full scale panic over losing, were negotiated and protected by this so called "weak" union. I've been a member of other unions, in my days, so, if you want to talk about weak unions, take a look at USDAW. Heard anything from this union during the spate of industrial action across the country? Naa, now that's weak.

It seems to me that the only way people ever realise the value of something, is by losing it. Its endlessly pointed out just what sort of employment landscape we would have if there was no CWU to stand in the way of this management. It doesn't take a genius to realise that we'd all be on entirely different contracts, work hours and pay, or redundant, at this point. Yet the CWU is weak and the best thing to do is remove ourselves from a position of collective bargaining position, and leave everything up to the management who are attacking our jobs, terms and conditions. Total joke!

But that’s your mindset. That the only things good about the company are because of the union and everything bad is because of the company.

There are jobs iv had that haven’t had a union and they were fine. Some not so fine.

The terms the union fought so hard to get in the Agenda for Growth they threw away when the balloted for strike over pay last year. Shot themselves in the foot. They come across as amateurish the videos and twitter feeds are like kids have managed them.

Silly slogans and propaganda posters adding further paranoia to its workforce like they are about to face the enemy in WWII.

And then when the union needs to act it makes poorly planned strike action (when it doesn’t cancel them last minute) and then updates it members with empty waffle.

For someone that isn’t a union member, you do a hell of a lot of talking about them , very strange behaviour.

Because their decision making affects my job.
It’s not strange at all.

It doesn’t matter you can’t effect anything by voting anyway so just sit on the sidelines and accept what your given.

I will. Luckily I didn’t lose 2 grand in strike days. I’m hoping RM go above CWU and just offer it to all members of staff.

Pointless, would never get voted in without union backing, even Royal Mail aren’t that stupid,

They forced the 2% in and all the other recent changes….

That was imposed and wasn’t an offer to the workforce like you previously stated , your moving the goalposts again , which is what you do when you know your talking rubbish.

Ok, so they can ‘impose’ the new deal? We know what deals are on offer and they just force one of them through.
The union can’t stop this motion.

In solidarity!

[chickenwittle]

In reality there is nothing stopping Royal Mail imposing non contractual changes through executive action.They no longer recognize the concept of collective bargaining.

The CWU have nothing left to object with, they will not even call the members out

Filthy bloke and Redlen in same conversation, who would have thought it

[FilthyBloke]

In reality there is nothing stopping Royal Mail imposing non contractual changes through executive action.They no longer recognize the concept of collective bargaining.

The CWU have nothing left to object with, they will not even call the members out

We are signed in at the same time! This will blow peoples minds.

[redlen]

What I am hearing on the grape vine so cannot confrm it is not just the issue of reps dismissed or suspended holding up these negotiations but?

Royal Mail want to remove its full time release for area reps and above. That means they will be back on delivery and suffer the same hardships as everybody else.