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FirstPost
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123456 wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 19:51
Whatever the deal looks like,it will probably be voted in.
I believe most have just had enough and will take whatever the union put in front of them.
Be nice if they got told it's not good enough,but not enough would be willing to do so,
Which is a shame after everything we've been through.
I recently opened the comments on three of the last CWU tweets on Twitter, and a lot of people are NOT voting for a crap deal
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FirstPost wrote:
22 Mar 2023, 21:15
123456 wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 19:51
Whatever the deal looks like,it will probably be voted in.
I believe most have just had enough and will take whatever the union put in front of them.
Be nice if they got told it's not good enough,but not enough would be willing to do so,
Which is a shame after everything we've been through.
I recently opened the comments on three of the last CWU tweets on Twitter, and a lot of people are NOT voting for a crap deal
What happens in that scenario? Does the union go back to the company and offer something else?
Problem is that a lot of posties want different things.
The only way would for the union to find out from its members what they want the most and then go back with that info.
Striking wouldn’t really be an option either so it would be state of limbo.
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People will just look at the pay rise and see what’s already happened and they will just vote yes or abstain. A no vote isn’t an option
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Nickvilla20 wrote:
22 Mar 2023, 21:50
People will just look at the pay rise and see what’s already happened and they will just vote yes or abstain. A no vote isn’t an option
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. It all depends on how the union recommends members vote. I can see them not making a recommendation then it’s down to us what we do.
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Clappedoutpostie wrote:
22 Mar 2023, 21:55
Nickvilla20 wrote:
22 Mar 2023, 21:50
People will just look at the pay rise and see what’s already happened and they will just vote yes or abstain. A no vote isn’t an option
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. It all depends on how the union recommends members vote. I can see them not making a recommendation then it’s down to us what we do.
If that’s the case then it’s a different ball game.

I can’t see the union not recommending any deal they’ve agreed though that would make them look pretty stupid.

As I said though most people will just look at pay offer a the union recommendation and it will be voted in. In the last ballot 25% couldn’t be bothered to vote and a vote on any deal would be a lower turnout.
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Clappedoutpostie wrote:
22 Mar 2023, 21:55
Nickvilla20 wrote:
22 Mar 2023, 21:50
People will just look at the pay rise and see what’s already happened and they will just vote yes or abstain. A no vote isn’t an option
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. It all depends on how the union recommends members vote. I can see them not making a recommendation then it’s down to us what we do.
Exactly what they will do,and when it goes tits up they will say you voted for it,ive seen it so many times over the years deflection and blame the members .
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Nickvilla20 wrote:
22 Mar 2023, 22:02
I can’t see the union not recommending any deal they’ve agreed though that would make them look pretty stupid.
That’s the point though there’s clearly no agreement or they wouldn’t still be locked away talking. At some point they will have to come back to us and say this is the best offer we could get, you guys and girls decide and we are not advising you what to do.
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Clappedoutpostie wrote:
23 Mar 2023, 06:51
Nickvilla20 wrote:
22 Mar 2023, 22:02
I can’t see the union not recommending any deal they’ve agreed though that would make them look pretty stupid.
That’s the point though there’s clearly no agreement or they wouldn’t still be locked away talking. At some point they will have to come back to us and say this is the best offer we could get, you guys and girls decide and we are not advising you what to do.
If it’s a crap deal I’m voting “no” we’ve come to far to back down now…..
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I'm not accepting this deal
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FirstPost wrote:
05 Apr 2023, 13:52
I'm not accepting this deal
There is no deal to accept.
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FirstPost wrote:
05 Apr 2023, 13:52
I'm not accepting this deal
I wouldn’t either - problem is RM and poking at the dissent in the ranks and offering a bright shinny looking carrot 🥕

If only people would look closer and realise that there carrot is rotten!
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Look at all previous agreements over the last decade?

All have been pushed through with the Golden Carrot even though the agreements when looking at the finer details were lousy.

Look at the terms and conditions that were lost that has resulted in this latest dispute.
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redlen wrote:
05 Apr 2023, 19:34
Look at all previous agreements over the last decade?

All have been pushed through with the Golden Carrot even though the agreements when looking at the finer details were lousy.

Look at the terms and conditions that were lost that has resulted in this latest dispute.
I would say you would be correct on this. People see the pay rise and not bother going into the details. I would say the majority of the workforce probably have no idea what’s going on.
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For Christ's sake no deal been agreed.
Therefore nothing to put to a vote.
RM say they have improved their offer.
Without saying what the shittiest parts are.
The offer isn't acceptable from the union's point of view to put to members.
Hopefully at 7pm tomorrow they will tell us where the problems with the offer lie.
What's so hard to understand???
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Dexydog wrote:
05 Apr 2023, 20:51
For Christ's sake no deal been agreed.
Therefore nothing to put to a vote.
RM say they have improved their offer.
Without saying what the shittiest parts are.
The offer isn't acceptable from the union's point of view to put to members.
Hopefully at 7pm tomorrow they will tell us where the problems with the offer lie.
What's so hard to understand???
I agree with you and everyone and the CWU we are the UNION lets see a deal in the trueness of time but we can shape that deal at the end of the day!