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Postal workers - are we sliding towards a bad deal?
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redrebecca
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Postal workers - are we sliding towards a bad deal?
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Workers need to organise against any sell-out of the dispute
In a massive climbdown, CWU General Secretary Dave Ward and his deputy Andy Furey announced the new joint statement and talks with Royal Mail. Strikes are ruled out till the end of the month. The reaction of members in the online meeting was the most negative it has ever been, forcing media officer Chris Webb to tell the leaders, coming from the livestream comments “there’s a huge issue of trust”, and they “think the union’s been had over here”.
They aim to reach a deal by 12 March and tie off revisions by the end of the financial year (31 March). That’s handy for Royal Mail given this is a one of the busier times of year to get through. But after a huge yes vote in a ballot two weeks ago, this is another blow to the strike and likely to lead to a rotten deal. Of course Royal Mail is the real enemy – that tiger hasn’t changed its stripes at all – but nobody is forcing our leaders to sign up to a bad deal.
Reps will have to agree revisions by 10 March, making cuts to offices and in many cases later start times, “to try and assist the financial situation in the company”! If not, senior officials will take over and push them through.
An independent reviewer, acceptable to Royal Mail, will look at the suspensions and dismissals of reps and members – over 300 now. That takes the issue out of the hands of local offices, where many have voted for a ballot for local action but been denied one, and it won’t get all our unfairly victimised reps and members back. Again, it’s holding back the membership to make an unnecessary compromise.
Ward openly signalled a climb down on pay, citing the company’s financial situation and saying it was “probably the right time” for a multi-year deal. But after striking and 10% inflation we need money in our pocket now.
DESPERATE FOR A BAD DEAL
The members are fed up with the revisions and attacks on the shop floor – kicking staff off duties, ripping up attendance patterns, agency handed overtime while part time workers who need hours get nothing, conduct and suspensions – but the ballot shows we are up for a fight. The union tops could have bounced off the ballot, using the momentum to call strikes.
Instead, Ward and Furey refused to set strike dates. Then they announced an ultimatum saying if executive action didn’t stop by this Monday they would consider “all options.” The deadline passed without a sound, more proof of paper tigers. Meanwhile Royal Mail just kept on with executive action and dismissing good reps. Why not? The union has dropped the strike completely since Christmas so there are no real consequences for the bosses.
Dave Ward has increasingly banged the drum of the company’s “serious financial and economic challenges for a few weeks now. It signals desperation – hardly the way to get the deal we need. Worse, it is a clear signal to bosses that the union is willing to make serious concessions to get the deal they want. The joint statement is a down payment on that, with revisions to save money.
But it has a contradiction in it. There are only two ways to save the company money: fail the USO (already Royal Mail’s unofficial policy) or hike workload. Revisions are clearly meant to do the latter. If they fail, there likely won’t be a deal and we will have wasted another month.
RESIST EVERY CUT AND SUSPENSION
Only militants in the post can turn this around, push the struggle from below and get organised. Redcar delivery office, possibly Tyneside Mail Centre, have walked out over imposed changes in the last week. That is exactly what workers should do to resist every cut or suspensions, and insist the strikes are put back on.
In other unions, like the lecturers’ UCU union, there is a left that can organise resistance, and at least provides an organised challenge to these kind of climbdowns. The CWU has no organised left, but going forward militants need to network to resist any sell-out and build that into a proper rank and file movement that can put an end to secret negotiations and instead have them overseen by the membership. Such a movement could democratise not only this dispute, but ultimately the union, with a new leadership recallable and on the workers wage.
Furey argued the old line that “we’re not Usain Bolt we’re Mo Farah, we’re in it for the long haul”. But you can only drag a strike out so long, especially when members are getting pushed around by management and told not to walk, not to strike but to effectively turn the other cheek. We need an all-out strike to deliver the knock-out blow.
Workers need to organise against any sell-out of the dispute
In a massive climbdown, CWU General Secretary Dave Ward and his deputy Andy Furey announced the new joint statement and talks with Royal Mail. Strikes are ruled out till the end of the month. The reaction of members in the online meeting was the most negative it has ever been, forcing media officer Chris Webb to tell the leaders, coming from the livestream comments “there’s a huge issue of trust”, and they “think the union’s been had over here”.
They aim to reach a deal by 12 March and tie off revisions by the end of the financial year (31 March). That’s handy for Royal Mail given this is a one of the busier times of year to get through. But after a huge yes vote in a ballot two weeks ago, this is another blow to the strike and likely to lead to a rotten deal. Of course Royal Mail is the real enemy – that tiger hasn’t changed its stripes at all – but nobody is forcing our leaders to sign up to a bad deal.
Reps will have to agree revisions by 10 March, making cuts to offices and in many cases later start times, “to try and assist the financial situation in the company”! If not, senior officials will take over and push them through.
An independent reviewer, acceptable to Royal Mail, will look at the suspensions and dismissals of reps and members – over 300 now. That takes the issue out of the hands of local offices, where many have voted for a ballot for local action but been denied one, and it won’t get all our unfairly victimised reps and members back. Again, it’s holding back the membership to make an unnecessary compromise.
Ward openly signalled a climb down on pay, citing the company’s financial situation and saying it was “probably the right time” for a multi-year deal. But after striking and 10% inflation we need money in our pocket now.
DESPERATE FOR A BAD DEAL
The members are fed up with the revisions and attacks on the shop floor – kicking staff off duties, ripping up attendance patterns, agency handed overtime while part time workers who need hours get nothing, conduct and suspensions – but the ballot shows we are up for a fight. The union tops could have bounced off the ballot, using the momentum to call strikes.
Instead, Ward and Furey refused to set strike dates. Then they announced an ultimatum saying if executive action didn’t stop by this Monday they would consider “all options.” The deadline passed without a sound, more proof of paper tigers. Meanwhile Royal Mail just kept on with executive action and dismissing good reps. Why not? The union has dropped the strike completely since Christmas so there are no real consequences for the bosses.
Dave Ward has increasingly banged the drum of the company’s “serious financial and economic challenges for a few weeks now. It signals desperation – hardly the way to get the deal we need. Worse, it is a clear signal to bosses that the union is willing to make serious concessions to get the deal they want. The joint statement is a down payment on that, with revisions to save money.
But it has a contradiction in it. There are only two ways to save the company money: fail the USO (already Royal Mail’s unofficial policy) or hike workload. Revisions are clearly meant to do the latter. If they fail, there likely won’t be a deal and we will have wasted another month.
RESIST EVERY CUT AND SUSPENSION
Only militants in the post can turn this around, push the struggle from below and get organised. Redcar delivery office, possibly Tyneside Mail Centre, have walked out over imposed changes in the last week. That is exactly what workers should do to resist every cut or suspensions, and insist the strikes are put back on.
In other unions, like the lecturers’ UCU union, there is a left that can organise resistance, and at least provides an organised challenge to these kind of climbdowns. The CWU has no organised left, but going forward militants need to network to resist any sell-out and build that into a proper rank and file movement that can put an end to secret negotiations and instead have them overseen by the membership. Such a movement could democratise not only this dispute, but ultimately the union, with a new leadership recallable and on the workers wage.
Furey argued the old line that “we’re not Usain Bolt we’re Mo Farah, we’re in it for the long haul”. But you can only drag a strike out so long, especially when members are getting pushed around by management and told not to walk, not to strike but to effectively turn the other cheek. We need an all-out strike to deliver the knock-out blow.
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DirtyHarry
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Re: Postal workers – are we sliding towards a bad deal?
In a word, yes.
Always the way.
Always the way.
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enskied
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Re: Postal workers – are we sliding towards a bad deal?
We can reject, or accept any proposal.
It's down to us at the end of the day.
It's down to us at the end of the day.
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goinpostal
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Re: Postal workers – are we sliding towards a bad deal?
The last thing we need is a s**t deal, a balloting period and then we are in summer if we need to strike
Join Labour, defend Corbyn from the Right, and fight for socialist policies
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aiden01
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Re: Postal workers – are we sliding towards a bad deal?
If a deal is recommended by pec it will be voted in very unusual not to be.goinpostal wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 22:23The last thing we need is a s**t deal, a balloting period and then we are in summer if we need to strike
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DirtyHarry
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neviboss
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Re: Postal workers – are we sliding towards a bad deal?
10% backdated to April '22, 7% next month!

Yeah right LOL
Yeah right LOL
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ANDREW CROCOMBE
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Re: Postal workers – are we sliding towards a bad deal?
Change these damned duties and make it workable, gone past caring about the pay side of the forthcoming crap deal. Shafted good and proper the best bet from Paddy Power now odds on 2/7
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sledger
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Re: Postal workers – are we sliding towards a bad deal?
nobody has to accept any crap deal,vote against it in the ballot if its not acceptable
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Edward Hunter
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Re: Postal workers – are we sliding towards a bad deal?
As long as you still have a start and finish time,use them. its not your fault if they make duties "unworkable" A fair pay rise is very important as part of the deal.I would vote No to any proposal that means i have scheduled no finish time, or if the pay offer is obviously too low and not backdated.ANDREW CROCOMBE wrote: Change these damned duties and make it workable, gone past caring about the pay side of the forthcoming crap deal. Shafted good and proper the best bet from Paddy Power now odds on 2/7
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roman
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Re: Postal workers - are we sliding towards a bad deal?
It looks like ward has been backed into a corner like a punch drunk boxer. There won’t be any more money offered and if we vote no I can’t see it being improved much if at all.
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guardianangel
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Re: Postal workers - are we sliding towards a bad deal?
A new leadership team is needed at the top ,they are letting us all down.
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Royalman68
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Re: Postal workers - are we sliding towards a bad deal?
Dave has finally come to his sense. I know it's not the ideal outcome one might have anticipated, but given the Royal mail's financial predicament, this would make sense. It's crazy to ask for an inflation-busting pay rise when the business is on the verge of going bankrupt.
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pieoftheday
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Re: Postal workers - are we sliding towards a bad deal?
In 2003 RM were losing a million a day and were on the verge of going into administration if they could raise 1st class stamp to 28p and 2nd to 20p,
nowt much changes
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KilledOff
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Re: Postal workers - are we sliding towards a bad deal?
Similar article.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/0 ... h-m08.html
"The union now accepts the company’s pleading poverty, dropping previous references to the more than £500 million doled out to its investors and shareholders over the last year.
The March 2 joint statement reads, “Both parties recognise that the business faces the most seriously in its history and that the best way to meet these challenges is to reach a national agreement that aligns the interests of all, including the workforce, customers and key stakeholders in building a positive future for Royal Mail Group.”
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/0 ... h-m08.html
"The union now accepts the company’s pleading poverty, dropping previous references to the more than £500 million doled out to its investors and shareholders over the last year.
The March 2 joint statement reads, “Both parties recognise that the business faces the most seriously in its history and that the best way to meet these challenges is to reach a national agreement that aligns the interests of all, including the workforce, customers and key stakeholders in building a positive future for Royal Mail Group.”