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Manager lying in investigation

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KennethBoon
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Manager lying in investigation

Post by KennethBoon »

Iv been invited to a second fact finding due to me amended the notes of the 1st one (major details of what was said missed off by manager doing investigation) I can also proved they lied...put all wrong dates on letters (possibly falsifying) . I now have to haveca second meeting with them but I am extremely uncomfortable them being the person to interview me . Is there anything I can do
KennethBoon
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Manager lying in investigation

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Iv been invited to a second fact finding due to me amended the notes of the 1st one (major details of what was said missed off by manager doing investigation) I can also proved they lied...put all wrong dates on letters (possibly falsifying) . I now have to haveca second meeting with them but I am extremely uncomfortable them being the person to interview me . Is there anything I can do
scoobydo79
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Re: Manager lying in investigation

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Are You able to give more details without outing Yourself?
1617mel
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Re: Manager lying in investigation

Post by 1617mel »

Take your union rep with you do not attend alone
1617mel
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Take your union rep with you do not attend alone
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Re: Manager lying in investigation

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scoobydo79 wrote:
01 Mar 2023, 12:12
Are You able to give more details without outing Yourself?
You mean his name isn’t Kenneth Boon?
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
scoobydo79
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Re: Manager lying in investigation

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Barnacle wrote:
01 Mar 2023, 12:22
scoobydo79 wrote:
01 Mar 2023, 12:12
Are You able to give more details without outing Yourself?
You mean his name isn’t Kenneth Boon?
I doubt it
Belgium
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Re: Manager lying in investigation

Post by Belgium »

Whatever you do make sure you take someone in with you, preferably a union rep
KennethBoon
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Re: Manager lying in investigation

Post by KennethBoon »

Barnacle wrote:
01 Mar 2023, 12:22
scoobydo79 wrote:
01 Mar 2023, 12:12
Are You able to give more details without outing Yourself?
You mean his name isn’t Kenneth Boon?
Y :chuckle

I'd rather not on here sorry. Let's just say a fair procedure has not been followed and I think the lack of confidentiality on royal mails side is a serious breach of policy
Woody Guthrie
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Re: Manager lying in investigation

Post by Woody Guthrie »

It is very difficult to prove a lie.
You need to prove intent.
It is also risky as this can end in a bad faith accusation.
It's a lot easier and safer to show incompetence.
In most cases that's all you need to do.
Only dead fish follow the current
KennethBoon
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Re: Manager lying in investigation

Post by KennethBoon »

Gon

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ninja
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Re: Manager lying in investigation

Post by ninja »

The code states on page 26.

Am I the right person to be
dealing with the case?
Before starting a fact finding investigation, the manager should consider whether it is appropriate for them to handle the case. It would
be inappropriate if they were a relative or close friend of the employee or are directly involved in the alleged incident or their evidence could
cause a conflict in their decisionmaking process.If an employee is working for another manager and commits an alleged offence the manager
at the time of the incident deals with the case.

Page 27

After the meeting
The manager should‡ Write up the notes of the meeting. The notes should not be verbatim but should capture the important points raised
‡ Send a copy of the notes to the employee
with a covering letter explaining that the employee has three working days to respond with any changes they wish to make

‡ Keep the handwritten notes in the file

‡ Consider whether witnesses need to be interviewed

So the manager shouldn't handle the case if they are directly involved.

Although it sounds like the manager wants to challenge your amendments and has asked for a further meeting. If this is the case you can ask for a copy of the handwritten notes or if its been done on a computer then ask for an electronic copy. You can then check what was written at the time or check the data on the electronic copy to see when it was created and how many times it has been amended.