Executive Action in offices

[daveyeff]

our office had a gate meeting on the executive action and we voted to carry out a rule 13 ballot

What are the chances of a rule 13 ballot being granted during the "intensive" talks that are due to take place over the next 3 weeks?
What would be the possible consequences of taking local unofficial industrial action while we have a live national ballot?

well this is why i mentioned the reps comments. he reckons ALL executive action is about to be pulled imminently. as to whether the ballot will be granted (if they don't pull the E/A) i think it won't be granted. which begs the question, whats to be done about it if it isn't pulled? as for the ones already started. who knows?.....invoke the status quo?

[arsenalbob]

So basically you want to carry striking no matter what is offered. 15% is not gonna happen. The nurses tried that & they've got more support than us

It’s not just about last year’s pay deal. We’re a month away from this year’s. 15% or a minimum 9% backdated to April 2022.

[SMS1969]

Hit the nail on the head there mate. Personally think that’s been one of there plans as to totally demoralise staff and hope some pack it in the other being in weaken the union severely. What I can’t understand is why do it to experienced staff who know/do the job well.
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They want as many as possible to resign so they can have new starts on Shiite contracts. They don’t care how experienced you are, as they want everyone to work long days and complete. The more the experienced ones resign, the better for them.

[Schiff]

So basically you want to carry striking no matter what is offered. 15% is not gonna happen. The nurses tried that & they've got more support than us

The CWU and RM need to achieve a deal that will get voted through by at least 50% of the membership. I'm another who will never vote in favour of a real terms pay cut. Others have different bits of the "best and final offer" that they will never vote in favour of. If they come up with a deal that is acceptable to over 50% then the rest of us either have to put up with that deal or change jobs, but there is no way that the current offer would ever get 50% accepting it.

[CamPostie]

The E/A freight train isn’t stopping anytime soon.

It’s started, wheels are moving everywhere and the CWU have little to no power to stop it.

Presumably the 3 weeks of intensive talks also assists as a delaying tactic to provide sufficient time to push through the remaining revisions?

[timbo1234]

Only a few weeks ago the CWU were planning to strike on the 16th/17th February due to the Royal Mail imposing executive action by these un-agreed revisions. That strike was only called off because the union messed up

Since then, the main man facing a Select Committee has decided to enter the fray by meeting with big Dave, champion of the workers rights. He will likely have shown him that the Royal Mail accounts are now redder than our post vans and drastic action is needed otherwise we won't have any jobs left and Royal Mail will go out of business....

So I believe (imho) that we are heading towards a "sell out" agreement. That is, a below inflation pay rise in return for more work being 'forced' on us. The later starts and finishes may well be pushed in at a later date. Many postie's that are already out of pocket won't be ecstatic with this including me, but I'm also a realist. How else can we make this company profitable again?

My gut feeling is that some of the board members should resign given the handling of this dispute from turning a profitable company into one that is as they say is now losing over a million pounds a day. They will likely move on and find other companies to ruin.

The deal will be closer to what ST proposed months ago than anything the CWU came up with.
I think the CWU now know the financial ‘truth’ and are probably trying to compromise on the terms and conditions element rather than pay.
Wouldn’t surprise me, if now the parliamentary pantomime has ended, that ST comes out with more jaw dropping proposals that will probably be forced through before the CWU even get out of bed. Maybe even next week or so.

Problem now is that if the CWU offered its members a deal, even remotely close to what ST has offered, it would be rejected by these members but I don’t the CWU has much wiggle room now.

We will see….

Do you think the Parliamentary Select Committee will leave this as it stands? The chairman has already said publicly he will take further action shortly. What that might be I don't think anyone knows because it's never got to this before. He warned the witnesses before they swore the oath that any more evasive or inaccurate answers could result in perjury charges. There is one thing an MP hates is to be treated with contempt by witnesses appearing before them. Perjury is a serious offence. How a perjury charge could be applied ie, by who , when etc I have no idea.

[Clappedoutpostie]

Hit the nail on the head there mate. Personally think that’s been one of there plans as to totally demoralise staff and hope some pack it in the other being in weaken the union severely. What I can’t understand is why do it to experienced staff who know/do the job well.
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They want as many as possible to resign so they can have new starts on Shiite contracts. They don’t care how experienced you are, as they want everyone to work long days and complete. The more the experienced ones resign, the better for them.

RM are offering £11.59 an hour on these new contracts, that works out to £22299 per year on a 37 hour week. Good luck to them filling those jobs and retaining people on that wage. They will never get any staff.

[norris9]

They want as many as possible to resign so they can have new starts on Shiite contracts. They don’t care how experienced you are, as they want everyone to work long days and complete. The more the experienced ones resign, the better for them.

RM are offering £11.59 an hour on these new contracts, that works out to £22299 per year on a 37 hour week. Good luck to them filling those jobs and retaining people on that wage. They will never get any staff.
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Exactly, they struggle to retain staff now. They will struggle even more in the future based on those new terrible contracts.

In this type of work you ideally need people who have knowledge of the town or city. Having to rebuild that knowledge every time someone leaves and someone new starts is inefficient and costly.

[postslippete]

The deal will be closer to what ST proposed months ago than anything the CWU came up with.
I think the CWU now know the financial ‘truth’ and are probably trying to compromise on the terms and conditions element rather than pay.
Wouldn’t surprise me, if now the parliamentary pantomime has ended, that ST comes out with more jaw dropping proposals that will probably be forced through before the CWU even get out of bed. Maybe even next week or so.

Problem now is that if the CWU offered its members a deal, even remotely close to what ST has offered, it would be rejected by these members but I don’t the CWU has much wiggle room now.

We will see….

The financial 'truth' is that Royal Mail made millions of pounds operating profit last year and then squandered it to shareholders and executive bonuses. The rest was then wasted on management bonuses and recruiting agency workers to drink coffee in the canteen. Such gross mismanagement of the companies finances is a reflection of STD's performance.

One of the key reasons why industrial action persisted over 6 months is because new proposals kept getting added which made negotiations difficult if not impossible. But then the CWU didn't really put anything forward of any real substance either.

Like others have said if the CWU offered its members anything close to what ST has offered then its going to get rejected straight away. There is more pressure now on the RM board to try and broker a negotiation closer in alignment of what the CWU and its members want. Its not going to please everyone and there will be concessions but we really need to find a way moving forwards.

[neviboss]

I don't particularly want to accept anything less than 10%, the amount of stress, bullying etc has been horrendous, and I'm getting a bit long in the tooth to look for another job!

[chrisj]

Hit the nail on the head there mate. Personally think that’s been one of there plans as to totally demoralise staff and hope some pack it in the other being in weaken the union severely. What I can’t understand is why do it to experienced staff who know/do the job well.
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They want as many as possible to resign so they can have new starts on Shiite contracts. They don’t care how experienced you are, as they want everyone to work long days and complete. The more the experienced ones resign, the better for them.

RM are offering £11.59 an hour on these new contracts, that works out to £22299 per year on a 37 hour week. Good luck to them filling those jobs and retaining people on that wage. They will never get any staff.

Are you from London or the South? They will never get any staff

You make very strong assumptions that people are not ready to work for less in more difficult circumstances.

* I hope you are not one of the institutionalised Posties? We have part timers in my office working their butts off (outdoor is the same for all) on 28 hours contract and most of them do not do overtime as a choice.

** You shouldn't worry yourself about others taking such a contract; there will be loads; those terms are still better than all our competitors and owner drivers.

[chrisj]

You dont need special knowledge to be a postie - come on!

I have seen agency staff pick things up in 2 weeks especially with park and loop partnership. I work with an agency staff that is miles better than most. He is also prepping these days! We are so short of staff that we cannot do without them; with few on long and medium term sick and older staff and part timers not doing OT...

The PDAs has a sat nav, route optimiser and all you need to do is go and deliver - exactly how hard is that apart from the physicality and weather?

[Duesouth]

Executive action or bullying by all these actions which are endorsed upon us, that is the question that you have to ask yourself.

They can take X amount of dutys out of every office nationally if the like, but at the end of the day its planned to FAIL the USO and the people at the top know it. This is the reason why the union did not agree to part of the agreement which RM were trying to impose on extra workloads being added onto every postie and removing X amount of duties. Implementing this would cause carnage and once again fail the USO.

You have two choices, if they want it to work. One is run round your delivery, don't take a break, skip the vehicle checks, don't bring any parcels back just dump them anywhere and bend backwards or two do the job properly by starting on your time, finish on your time, keep the PDA moving, do the vehicle checks, and take a break.

They want to pile the pressure but everyone knows it's not going to work, so why worry.

[TopperGas]

You dont need special knowledge to be a postie - come on!

I have seen agency staff pick things up in 2 weeks especially with park and loop partnership. I work with an agency staff that is miles better than most. He is also prepping these days! We are so short of staff that we cannot do without them; with few on long and medium term sick and older staff and part timers not doing OT...

The PDAs has a sat nav, route optimiser and all you need to do it s go and delivery - exactly how hard is that apart from the physicality and weather?

Since I joined my DO of around 50 posties a couple of years we've had over a 10% turnover of staff, mostly the ones who started after me, even an agency worker decided after a couple of months to look elsewhere. The retention of new starters must be below 50% if our DO is the norm, even on the old rates of pay.

[ArchieG]

You dont need special knowledge to be a postie - come on!

I have seen agency staff pick things up in 2 weeks especially with park and loop partnership. I work with an agency staff that is miles better than most. He is also prepping these days! We are so short of staff that we cannot do without them; with few on long and medium term sick and older staff and part timers not doing OT...

The PDAs has a sat nav, route optimiser and all you need to do it s go and delivery - exactly how hard is that apart from the physicality and weather?

All said and done, I do find this very hard to argue against. The knowledge can be gained relatively quickly (perhaps not by everyone). But... to anticipate a backlash .... this is no reason to devalue the job. It's a job that serves a genuine purpose and still at least resembles a public service, one that warrants appropriate recognition and respect. This I think should be at the heart of any argument against a contemptible employer, not the idea of having any special knowledge.
Just a thought, anyway