Executive Action in offices

[norris9]

Is Royal Mail making these changes temporarily to annoy staff so we leave and can be replaced with people on lower pay and worse terms....

Do we think after enough staff have left the company Royal Mail will reverse a lot of this change?

Dave Ward said in the most recent youtube live video that he believed later start times are being put in place simply to frustrate employees.



FIGHT BACK - bring what you can't get done back, including tracked. Take your break. Let the letters & parcels pile high.

Seems highly likely we will continue to strike.

In the end it's probably going to lead to Royal Mail collapsing and the government having no choice but to renationalise it and hopefully on the cheap because Royal Mail will be in such a state thanks to current management.

[chickenwittle]

Well I can only speak for myself, done 30 years plus and lost my duty , starting on time , taking my break and cutting off numerous loops of letters and parcels including tracked daily. I refuse to prioritise tracked unless the manager is prepared to put it in writing, I then go home on time.Just go about your business as usual, it really is their problem not ours , no business can sustain this level of disruption for ever , the onus is on them.

I've been thinking about that one, so you can be conducted for refusing a reasonable request, we know that but what if that request is to prioritise trackeds, presumably there's an issue here and if they tried to punish you formally ie conduct code then how would that pan out?

It’s not a reasonable request if they won’t put it in writing and the ceo of the company swears on the oath at a parliamentary hearing that the company doesn’t prioritise parcels.

[SpacePhoenix]

Well I can only speak for myself, done 30 years plus and lost my duty , starting on time , taking my break and cutting off numerous loops of letters and parcels including tracked daily. I refuse to prioritise tracked unless the manager is prepared to put it in writing, I then go home on time.Just go about your business as usual, it really is their problem not ours , no business can sustain this level of disruption for ever , the onus is on them.

I've been thinking about that one, so you can be conducted for refusing a reasonable request, we know that but what if that request is to prioritise trackeds, presumably there's an issue here and if they tried to punish you formally ie conduct code then how would that pan out?

It’s not a reasonable request if they won’t put it in writing and the ceo of the company swears on the oath at a parliamentary hearing that the company doesn’t prioritise parcels.

Probably their boss refuses to put in writing the order to them to order you to prioritise parcels & Tracked

[FilthyBloke]

Only a few weeks ago the CWU were planning to strike on the 16th/17th February due to the Royal Mail imposing executive action by these un-agreed revisions. That strike was only called off because the union messed up

Since then, the main man facing a Select Committee has decided to enter the fray by meeting with big Dave, champion of the workers rights. He will likely have shown him that the Royal Mail accounts are now redder than our post vans and drastic action is needed otherwise we won't have any jobs left and Royal Mail will go out of business....

So I believe (imho) that we are heading towards a "sell out" agreement. That is, a below inflation pay rise in return for more work being 'forced' on us. The later starts and finishes may well be pushed in at a later date. Many postie's that are already out of pocket won't be ecstatic with this including me, but I'm also a realist. How else can we make this company profitable again?

My gut feeling is that some of the board members should resign given the handling of this dispute from turning a profitable company into one that is as they say is now losing over a million pounds a day. They will likely move on and find other companies to ruin.

The deal will be closer to what ST proposed months ago than anything the CWU came up with.
I think the CWU now know the financial ‘truth’ and are probably trying to compromise on the terms and conditions element rather than pay.
Wouldn’t surprise me, if now the parliamentary pantomime has ended, that ST comes out with more jaw dropping proposals that will probably be forced through before the CWU even get out of bed. Maybe even next week or so.

Problem now is that if the CWU offered its members a deal, even remotely close to what ST has offered, it would be rejected by these members but I don’t the CWU has much wiggle room now.

We will see….

[arsenalbob]

Only a few weeks ago the CWU were planning to strike on the 16th/17th February due to the Royal Mail imposing executive action by these un-agreed revisions. That strike was only called off because the union messed up

Since then, the main man facing a Select Committee has decided to enter the fray by meeting with big Dave, champion of the workers rights. He will likely have shown him that the Royal Mail accounts are now redder than our post vans and drastic action is needed otherwise we won't have any jobs left and Royal Mail will go out of business....

So I believe (imho) that we are heading towards a "sell out" agreement. That is, a below inflation pay rise in return for more work being 'forced' on us. The later starts and finishes may well be pushed in at a later date. Many postie's that are already out of pocket won't be ecstatic with this including me, but I'm also a realist. How else can we make this company profitable again?

My gut feeling is that some of the board members should resign given the handling of this dispute from turning a profitable company into one that is as they say is now losing over a million pounds a day. They will likely move on and find other companies to ruin.

The deal will be closer to what ST proposed months ago than anything the CWU came up with.
I think the CWU now know the financial ‘truth’ and are probably trying to compromise on the terms and conditions element rather than pay.
Wouldn’t surprise me, if now the parliamentary pantomime has ended, that ST comes out with more jaw dropping proposals that will probably be forced through before the CWU even get out of bed. Maybe even next week or so.

Problem now is that if the CWU offered its members a deal, even remotely close to what ST has offered, it would be rejected by these members but I don’t the CWU has much wiggle room now.

We will see….

Thompson will be history soon mate. The real negotiations are starting now. The only deal acceptable now is all enforced executive action reversed, the sick pay and redundancy policies back to where they were before Thompson poked his nose in, and a minimum 15% pay rise as we’re now approaching the 2023 pay deal date. Anything less and we carry on fighting. We won’t back away from our rights.

[49erman]

Only a few weeks ago the CWU were planning to strike on the 16th/17th February due to the Royal Mail imposing executive action by these un-agreed revisions. That strike was only called off because the union messed up

Since then, the main man facing a Select Committee has decided to enter the fray by meeting with big Dave, champion of the workers rights. He will likely have shown him that the Royal Mail accounts are now redder than our post vans and drastic action is needed otherwise we won't have any jobs left and Royal Mail will go out of business....

So I believe (imho) that we are heading towards a "sell out" agreement. That is, a below inflation pay rise in return for more work being 'forced' on us. The later starts and finishes may well be pushed in at a later date. Many postie's that are already out of pocket won't be ecstatic with this including me, but I'm also a realist. How else can we make this company profitable again?

My gut feeling is that some of the board members should resign given the handling of this dispute from turning a profitable company into one that is as they say is now losing over a million pounds a day. They will likely move on and find other companies to ruin.

The deal will be closer to what ST proposed months ago than anything the CWU came up with.
I think the CWU now know the financial ‘truth’ and are probably trying to compromise on the terms and conditions element rather than pay.
Wouldn’t surprise me, if now the parliamentary pantomime has ended, that ST comes out with more jaw dropping proposals that will probably be forced through before the CWU even get out of bed. Maybe even next week or so.

Problem now is that if the CWU offered its members a deal, even remotely close to what ST has offered, it would be rejected by these members but I don’t the CWU has much wiggle room now.

We will see….

Thompson will be history soon mate. The real negotiations are starting now. The only deal acceptable now is all enforced executive action reversed, the sick pay and redundancy policies back to where they were before Thompson poked his nose in, and a minimum 15% pay rise as we’re now approaching the 2023 pay deal date. Anything less and we carry on fighting. We won’t back away from our rights.

[chickenwittle]

Only a few weeks ago the CWU were planning to strike on the 16th/17th February due to the Royal Mail imposing executive action by these un-agreed revisions. That strike was only called off because the union messed up

Since then, the main man facing a Select Committee has decided to enter the fray by meeting with big Dave, champion of the workers rights. He will likely have shown him that the Royal Mail accounts are now redder than our post vans and drastic action is needed otherwise we won't have any jobs left and Royal Mail will go out of business....

So I believe (imho) that we are heading towards a "sell out" agreement. That is, a below inflation pay rise in return for more work being 'forced' on us. The later starts and finishes may well be pushed in at a later date. Many postie's that are already out of pocket won't be ecstatic with this including me, but I'm also a realist. How else can we make this company profitable again?

My gut feeling is that some of the board members should resign given the handling of this dispute from turning a profitable company into one that is as they say is now losing over a million pounds a day. They will likely move on and find other companies to ruin.

The deal will be closer to what ST proposed months ago than anything the CWU came up with.
I think the CWU now know the financial ‘truth’ and are probably trying to compromise on the terms and conditions element rather than pay.
Wouldn’t surprise me, if now the parliamentary pantomime has ended, that ST comes out with more jaw dropping proposals that will probably be forced through before the CWU even get out of bed. Maybe even next week or so.

Problem now is that if the CWU offered its members a deal, even remotely close to what ST has offered, it would be rejected by these members but I don’t the CWU has much wiggle room now.

We will see….

Thompson will be history soon mate. The real negotiations are starting now. The only deal acceptable now is all enforced executive action reversed, the sick pay and redundancy policies back to where they were before Thompson poked his nose in, and a minimum 15% pay rise as we’re now approaching the 2023 pay deal date. Anything less and we carry on fighting. We won’t back away from our rights.

Dream on Bob , I admire your optimism though.

[daveyeff]

our office had a gate meeting on the executive action and we voted to carry out a rule 13 ballot if they try to force in their shite. waiting for the go ahead from the branch, but our rep reckons we wont need to walk as the next few days will see all the E/A being pulled. hope so but we will see.

[theotherone]

I live in hope of all E/A being pulled.It would be a huge victory for the CWU obviously. Although how realistic? I suppose looking it through my rose tinted glasses you can have all the change you want,but effectively IA for the next 6 months would realistically halt any savings that revisions should bring.

[LouBarlow]

Only a few weeks ago the CWU were planning to strike on the 16th/17th February due to the Royal Mail imposing executive action by these un-agreed revisions. That strike was only called off because the union messed up

Since then, the main man facing a Select Committee has decided to enter the fray by meeting with big Dave, champion of the workers rights. He will likely have shown him that the Royal Mail accounts are now redder than our post vans and drastic action is needed otherwise we won't have any jobs left and Royal Mail will go out of business....

So I believe (imho) that we are heading towards a "sell out" agreement. That is, a below inflation pay rise in return for more work being 'forced' on us. The later starts and finishes may well be pushed in at a later date. Many postie's that are already out of pocket won't be ecstatic with this including me, but I'm also a realist. How else can we make this company profitable again?

My gut feeling is that some of the board members should resign given the handling of this dispute from turning a profitable company into one that is as they say is now losing over a million pounds a day. They will likely move on and find other companies to ruin.

The deal will be closer to what ST proposed months ago than anything the CWU came up with.
I think the CWU now know the financial ‘truth’ and are probably trying to compromise on the terms and conditions element rather than pay.
Wouldn’t surprise me, if now the parliamentary pantomime has ended, that ST comes out with more jaw dropping proposals that will probably be forced through before the CWU even get out of bed. Maybe even next week or so.

Problem now is that if the CWU offered its members a deal, even remotely close to what ST has offered, it would be rejected by these members but I don’t the CWU has much wiggle room now.

We will see….

Thompson will be history soon mate. The real negotiations are starting now. The only deal acceptable now is all enforced executive action reversed, the sick pay and redundancy policies back to where they were before Thompson poked his nose in, and a minimum 15% pay rise as we’re now approaching the 2023 pay deal date. Anything less and we carry on fighting. We won’t back away from our rights.

lol good luck.

[derekm]

Its happening everywhere and my belief is that the reaction of posties is exactly what they want, how many people are leaving because of the current executive action? Thats what they want especially the older and longer serving people, while the union attempt to negotiate in good faith, which although it gives you the moral high ground only works if its a level playing field, RM have no good faith and just hope it moves enough people on before the inevitable agreement with the union. Meanwhile everybody who goes will be replaced eventually by the newer younger Amazon/Evri mutant hybrid worker on less money. They are hoping that the extra work and unachievable workloads will demoralise and frustrate us all into leaving, i know you all struggle with it but if we all did it RM would become frustrated and demoralised, if we just all worked to our times and brought the stuff back. Its the only way to relieve the pressure on yourself. I fancy when this is all over they will have to backtrack on most revisions, but they will have done what they were meant to do and got rid of a good number of the staff they wanted on the cheap and weakened the union.

Hit the nail on the head there mate. Personally think that’s been one of there plans as to totally demoralise staff and hope some pack it in the other being in weaken the union severely. What I can’t understand is why do it to experienced staff who know/do the job well.

[grchpo]

So basically you want to carry striking no matter what is offered. 15% is not gonna happen. The nurses tried that & they've got more support than us

[clashcityrocker]

our office had a gate meeting on the executive action and we voted to carry out a rule 13 ballot

What are the chances of a rule 13 ballot being granted during the "intensive" talks that are due to take place over the next 3 weeks?
What would be the possible consequences of taking local unofficial industrial action while we have a live national ballot?

[chrisj]

our office had a gate meeting on the executive action and we voted to carry out a rule 13 ballot if they try to force in their shite. waiting for the go ahead from the branch, but our rep reckons we wont need to walk as the next few days will see all the E/A being pulled. hope so but we will see.

Some offices are about 3 weeks in Revision (walk absorbed but not yet put onto frames). Our is 2 weeks! Initially, the revision was a pain but in the last week, more than 70% are achieving the delivery... Which means there is room to do more and savings are being made.

Why would they abandon all that completely when prior to revision, volumes was so low that folks were parking up or massively slowing down?

To be fair, the revision in our office has been done in a way that the absorbed walks are relatively close to the walks involved. It is more work but less cumbersome than the previous revision plus lapse that involved Posties taking from 3 walks and going off in all sorts of direction.

I know some offices did not do a revision about 2 years or so ago; some were just lapsing more and more but the revision is needed in my view; whether it is executive action or not, that in my office involved certain Posties (not the Rep) and it is overall fair.

* All offices are different, I know but some are just so resistant to change and have been getting away with loads - that is rather unfair!

[yellowbelly]

......... but our rep reckons we wont need to walk as the next few days will see all the E/A being pulled. hope so but we will see.

This is what our area rep has informed us too and was what Dave was referring to in the video at the end of last week
(talks ongoing this weekend apparently with an outcome tomorrow possibly), but Dave didn't say that we would 'go back to how it was'
with no revisions.

Doesn't it make more sense to carry out revisions when the network/pipeline changes appear in September? (assuming
that CWU are not going to be able/want to stop that to accommodate the night owls who order parcels at 11pm).

I interpreted it meaning that (hopefully) RM would engage with CWU in the revision process that would
result in realistic, workable revisions, *taking us along dancing hand in hand into the bright sunlit future
of RM.

*Sorry, a bit of sarcasm there.