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mags999
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by mags999 »

Where are you supposed to take your break when on delivery thats why we have been allowed to take are meal relief at the end unless we travel back to the delivery office why will this have to change :nana
Cucumber
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by Cucumber »

I'd hazard a guess and say that you'd take your break in the staff canteen, rest room or any other facility in the office.
mags999
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Re: Annualised hours

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No canteen no rest room so what do we do any suggestions on a postcard this has been goin on for years it mostly suits royal mail let's see what happens :nana
mjd24
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by mjd24 »

Tman wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 08:44
Only in the strange niave world of RM would anyone attempt to justify leaving 20 minutes early by claiming that "I never took my break".
In the Real World, the reply would be "more fool you then, but you're still staying to the end of your attendance time".
In the “Real World” lots of jobs involve working in a nice warm office environment where staff consume multiple cups of tea or coffee throughout the day, with toilet facilities on hand.

What we do is different. In winter particularly i often spend an hour or so at least holding in a wee because there just arent any toilets available.
Splappy_McSplap
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by Splappy_McSplap »

Not to mention forcing soaked, freezing staff to sit for 20 minutes at the end of a miserable bad weather day.
Tman
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by Tman »

mjd24 wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 16:16
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What we do is different. In winter particularly i often spend an hour or so at least holding in a wee because there just arent any toilets available.
What has lack of toilet facilities got to do with being 20 mins light on your hours every day?
You reckon the RM powers-that-be will accept that as a valid reason go home early? :so there
postslippete
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by postslippete »

mjd24 wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 16:16
Tman wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 08:44
Only in the strange niave world of RM would anyone attempt to justify leaving 20 minutes early by claiming that "I never took my break".
In the Real World, the reply would be "more fool you then, but you're still staying to the end of your attendance time".
In the “Real World” lots of jobs involve working in a nice warm office environment where staff consume multiple cups of tea or coffee throughout the day, with toilet facilities on hand.

What we do is different. In winter particularly i often spend an hour or so at least holding in a wee because there just arent any toilets available.

I suspect a lot of staff still have the mindset that if they have done their duty plus the lapse and if they still finish early then its fair dinkum and they should be allowed to leave early.

The issue is when managers look at their finish times and decide that everyone else should then be allocated more lapsing to do. This doesn't make sense in any world other than Royal Mail management.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
richietns
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by richietns »

Tman wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 18:07
mjd24 wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 16:16
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What we do is different. In winter particularly i often spend an hour or so at least holding in a wee because there just arent any toilets available.
What has lack of toilet facilities got to do with being 20 mins light on your hours every day?
You reckon the RM powers-that-be will accept that as a valid reason go home early? :so there
Your not going home 20 mins light if you've worked your contracted hours.
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by SpacePhoenix »

richietns wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 19:17
Tman wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 18:07
mjd24 wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 16:16
[

What we do is different. In winter particularly i often spend an hour or so at least holding in a wee because there just arent any toilets available.
What has lack of toilet facilities got to do with being 20 mins light on your hours every day?
You reckon the RM powers-that-be will accept that as a valid reason go home early? :so there
Your not going home 20 mins light if you've worked your contracted hours.
They'll be looking at it from angle of the SISO time compared with the times that the DUTY is schedules to start and end at
mags999
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Re: Annualised hours

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If thats the case we will go back to the office about halfway round and that will mean travelling time so thats not goin to work being a postman has always thrown up these problems and always will :arrrghhh
Woody Guthrie
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by Woody Guthrie »

There are some strange people on this thread.
The agreement to use 20 minutes of your break at the end of your duty is a national agreement.

It's a bit weird that we have members on here who support Royal Mail ignoring agreements.

Nobody is going home early, it's built into your duty in the same way that the other 20 minutes is.

Are people who work in mailcentres forced to stay on the premises during their break?

Higher ups as SP likes to call them are interested in what gets done during duty time not meal breaks, just the same as they are in mailcentres.

For supposedly intelligent people to be thinking that going home during your scheduled 20 minute break somehow means you're "20 minutes light" in your duty hours is pretty incredible.

Does that mean if someone in a mailcentres goes to McDonald's for their lunch they're 50 minutes light?
Only dead fish follow the current
postslippete
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by postslippete »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 20:50

Does that mean if someone in a mailcentres goes to McDonald's for their lunch they're 50 minutes light?

That would be a big McSteak :chuckle
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
Woody Guthrie
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by Woody Guthrie »

I'll make it a bit more simple for certain people to understand.

It isn't an agreement to go home early.
It's an agreement that you don't have to return to the office after your second break solely for the purposes of scanning out.

Because
That
Would
Be
Pointless..
Only dead fish follow the current
pieoftheday
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by pieoftheday »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 21:09
I'll make it a bit more simple for certain people to understand.

It isn't an agreement to go home early.
It's an agreement that you don't have to return to the office after your second break solely for the purposes of scanning out.

Because
That
Would
Be
Pointless..
Is a 40.min break in a shift one break? Does splitting in 2 make it 2 breaks?
Splappy_McSplap
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by Splappy_McSplap »

pieoftheday wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 21:20
Is a 40.min break in a shift one break? Does splitting in 2 make it 2 breaks?
It is a 40 minute entitlement.