What that translates to me is: come back on time. Then you won’t be hit by annualised hours.
How do you "come back on time" if you don't have the work to justify it?
Have we lost £1000+ to protect people who want to string it out and walk slower?
I thought trade unions were about doing a fair day's work for a fair day's pay?
The amount of people that don’t take breaks , don’t use the correct procedures or equipment this saving Royal Mail thousands of hours a week massively outstrips anyone “stringing it out”
How many walks are there where the walk is meant to use a golf cart type trolley but they don't? How much time difference does that typically make?
Yep. The average postman has abused their terms and conditions and duty for years to suit them.
Now changes are coming they are not happy.
Our union guy has been warning us all for years to do the job properly. Nobody listened.
What that translates to me is: come back on time. Then you won’t be hit by annualised hours.
How do you "come back on time" if you don't have the work to justify it?
Have we lost £1000+ to protect people who want to string it out and walk slower?
I thought trade unions were about doing a fair day's work for a fair day's pay?
The amount of people that don’t take breaks , don’t use the correct procedures or equipment this saving Royal Mail thousands of hours a week massively outstrips anyone “stringing it out”
How many walks are there where the walk is meant to use a golf cart type trolley but they don't? How much time difference does that typically make?
Probably the majority of park n loop duties were originally supposed to use a lwt in theory, it obviously takes time to get them in and out of the van but also they enable the user to accommodate some parcels that you'd have to stop and deliver from the van or alternatively they enable longer loops so saving on reloading/waiting/helping partner as you're never going to meet at the van at exactly the same time, so also saves time there.
To answer your last question, not much, using a lwt certainly doesn't make the duty time a lot longer as some on here might like to suggest.
yes and dont forget these running the s**t show also want you to COMMIT TO DELIVERY as well , so you wont have a finish time and they can make deliverys as big as they like , the cwu wont agreed to that shite
from next week every duty in our office is getting "22 minutes" added to their duty, absorbed from other duties.
Its not like were still delivering xmas cards or anything
it started last week at ours there took 10 dutys out and gave everybody a couple of loops even though it was failing anyway so now its even worse now , as nobody is going over there time .
There is no longer an official failing of letters; the loops just need to be rotated... The quicker Posties just turn up and do the jobs and leave the management and customer issues to management, the easier life will be for most of us.
There will be no commit to deliver (not letters anyways) as long as you do the parcels; in fact, this made Christmas much easier than previous years. And this is the future going forward. Seniority, walk holders, my duty, my van and so on will be less significant. You can be moved and will be asked to leave loops or entire walks as needed by the office.
Managers have been told to manage the office as they see fit; whether it works or not is not material in the short term; they have been given powers to experiment on what works. And if you don't like it, then you can be conducted; 3 strikes and you may be out!
Why do some people here keep salivating about OFCOM and their fines? This is your job/livelihood and your employer; that pays your wages - how is finding your employer help you?
The CWU will become secondary - they will have a consultative role but eventual decisions and implementations is up to RM; they have the final say! Just do your job!
yes and dont forget these running the s**t show also want you to COMMIT TO DELIVERY as well , so you wont have a finish time and they can make deliverys as big as they like , the cwu wont agreed to that shite
from next week every duty in our office is getting "22 minutes" added to their duty, absorbed from other duties.
Its not like were still delivering xmas cards or anything
it started last week at ours there took 10 dutys out and gave everybody a couple of loops even though it was failing anyway so now its even worse now , as nobody is going over there time .
I won't be going over my time, ever.
Nothing will give me greater pleasure than failing everyday.
What that translates to me is: come back on time. Then you won’t be hit by annualised hours.
How do you "come back on time" if you don't have the work to justify it?
Have we lost £1000+ to protect people who want to string it out and walk slower?
I thought trade unions were about doing a fair day's work for a fair day's pay?
The amount of people that don’t take breaks , don’t use the correct procedures or equipment this saving Royal Mail thousands of hours a week massively outstrips anyone “stringing it out”
How many walks are there where the walk is meant to use a golf cart type trolley but they don't? How much time difference does that typically make?
Probably the majority of park n loop duties were originally supposed to use a lwt in theory, it obviously takes time to get them in and out of the van but also they enable the user to accommodate some parcels that you'd have to stop and deliver from the van or alternatively they enable longer loops so saving on reloading/waiting/helping partner as you're never going to meet at the van at exactly the same time, so also saves time there.
To answer your last question, not much, using a lwt certainly doesn't make the duty time a lot longer as some on here might like to suggest.
Probably the main thing will be if anyone gets injured by not using the LWT. One of the screws first questions will likely be were you using the LWT, which will obviously be no. It'll then instantly go down as a blameworthy
There is no longer an official failing of letters; the loops just need to be rotated... The quicker Posties just turn up and do the jobs and leave the management and customer issues to management, the easier life will be for most of us.
There will be no commit to deliver (not letters anyways) as long as you do the parcels; in fact, this made Christmas much easier than previous years. And this is the future going forward. Seniority, walk holders, my duty, my van and so on will be less significant. You can be moved and will be asked to leave loops or entire walks as needed by the office.
Managers have been told to manage the office as they see fit; whether it works or not is not material in the short term; they have been given powers to experiment on what works. And if you don't like it, then you can be conducted; 3 strikes and you may be out!
Why do some people here keep salivating about OFCOM and their fines? This is your job/livelihood and your employer; that pays your wages - how is finding your employer help you?
The CWU will become secondary - they will have a consultative role but eventual decisions and implementations is up to RM; they have the final say! Just do your job!
First two paragraphs I couldn’t agree with you more, I’ve been saying the same thing to colleagues for months now. The job as we all know it will change for the better or worse it will happen.
There is no longer an official failing of letters; the loops just need to be rotated... The quicker Posties just turn up and do the jobs and leave the management and customer issues to management, the easier life will be for most of us.
There will be no commit to deliver (not letters anyways) as long as you do the parcels; in fact, this made Christmas much easier than previous years. And this is the future going forward. Seniority, walk holders, my duty, my van and so on will be less significant. You can be moved and will be asked to leave loops or entire walks as needed by the office.
I don’t often agree with you chris but I think you make some good points here. So many feel a sense of duty to ‘their customers’ and RM play on that.
The best move I ever made at RM, apart from going down to a 4 day week, was quiet quitting and not getting worked up about someone taking ‘my’ van or the duty holder working their day off and me being moved.
Clock in on time, take breaks, do as instructed, ask my manager what she wants me to take/leave, back on time, clock out.
The day is gonna come when we’re all gonna have to testify.
What that translates to me is: come back on time. Then you won’t be hit by annualised hours.
How do you "come back on time" if you don't have the work to justify it?
Have we lost £1000+ to protect people who want to string it out and walk slower?
I thought trade unions were about doing a fair day's work for a fair day's pay?
It’s not about ‘stringing it out’, it’s about doing the work you are supposed to do and taking your break, before leaving the office.
For example, some people make their d2ds disappear. Instead of making them disappear, why not actually be seen putting them together for delivery?
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
The old saying that the only constant in life is change means that the world is always changing and so are people. Not only is change always happening, but it is also unavoidable. Being afraid of change is expected. Especially when change comes unexpectedly, and everything you are used to becomes different.
TRUE, and no doubt there are many areas and practices in our workplace that require change.
Each of us individually should always do what is best for our personal health and our families, so I understand people quiet quitting, mentally disconnecting from the business or taking an 'easy' option towards work.
The CWU cannot 'quiet quit', it can not take life 'easy', because we deserve more we deserve better.The need for change, the individuals introducing the change and the type of change that is being introduced should not go unquestioned or where necessary unchallenged.
I agree with clash about people stringing things out... However, the other side of the same argument is people still with the mindset of rushing to finish; either by cutting corners, doing work before start time, not doing all the checks, getting vans to prime spot instead of from location (including multi-story), not scanning items, d2ds and many other things that makes the job go quicker...
My absolute pet hate is some Posties trying to insult the manager's intelligence and their own colleagues as well. "I finish early and I am fast and they are making an easy job difficult..." but we all know that some have easier walks and some come in early or do work outside of contractual times.
One even had the gall to tell the manager that we are all now finishing on time (because of SISO), so we are not going to be able to absorb walks - a few walks going in the next week or so. But the mail volume has been so low that even those doing double days work still finishing on time...
The volumes are so low now that some of the revisions might actually work just fine but will the volume stay as low or follow a predicted 20% volume down by RM.
Why do some people here keep salivating about OFCOM and their fines? This is your job/livelihood and your employer; that pays your wages - how is finding your employer help
Royal Mail deliberately not maintaining the USO is what will cost jobs
That is why
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
There is no longer an official failing of letters; the loops just need to be rotated... The quicker Posties just turn up and do the jobs and leave the management and customer issues to management, the easier life will be for most of us.
There will be no commit to deliver (not letters anyways) as long as you do the parcels; in fact, this made Christmas much easier than previous years. And this is the future going forward. Seniority, walk holders, my duty, my van and so on will be less significant. You can be moved and will be asked to leave loops or entire walks as needed by the office.
On this occasion chrisj is probably correct, I have been told a similar story by our manager. We have all got used to rotating delivery whether van shares or rural and seems this is the way forward
If Annualised hours comes in will that mean finishing an hour later in the winter,guys in our work think they will still finish in time for the school run will these annualised hours scupper this.
As far as I understand it, you will only be finished an hour later in the winter, if you have been letting them know you are finishing an hour early in the summer, by signing out on the pda an hour early.
What that translates to me is: come back on time. Then you won’t be hit by annualised hours.
Or if you finish late in the summer you can call it a day early in December no problem
If Annualised hours comes in will that mean finishing an hour later in the winter,guys in our work think they will still finish in time for the school run will these annualised hours scupper this.
As far as I understand it, you will only be finished an hour later in the winter, if you have been letting them know you are finishing an hour early in the summer, by signing out on the pda an hour early.
What that translates to me is: come back on time. Then you won’t be hit by annualised hours.
Or if you finish late in the summer you can call it a day early in December no problem
That’s the way
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
, the cwu wont agreed to that shite 
, as nobody is going over there time 
