The aftermath of VR

[mjd24]

I can’t see how people who are fast aren’t going to be punished for being fast.

They'll punish the rest of us, our comdom reckons one of the things they'll look at when removing hours from the office is the PDA actuals out on delivery, so in effect the fast, obsessed with finishing early posties will punish the rest of us including slower older ones who can't run round a duty as fast as they do.

You think you’ll be forced to go as fast as them?

[Barnacle]

I can’t see how people who are fast aren’t going to be punished for being fast.

They'll punish the rest of us, our comdom reckons one of the things they'll look at when removing hours from the office is the PDA actuals out on delivery, so in effect the fast, obsessed with finishing early posties will punish the rest of us including slower older ones who can't run round a duty as fast as they do.

You think you’ll be forced to go as fast as them?

Here is my argument: if for example everyone has 700 drops, we should each be paid a set number of hours for delivering, whether it takes us 2 minutes because we’re fast or 3 hours because we’re slower. My point is, we have each carried the weight and walked the miles. How long it takes us is our business to resolve.

With this theory there is an incentive to speed up. With the new system that incentive has been completely removed.

[Acca Dacca]

I can’t see how people who are fast aren’t going to be punished for being fast.

They'll punish the rest of us, our comdom reckons one of the things they'll look at when removing hours from the office is the PDA actuals out on delivery, so in effect the fast, obsessed with finishing early posties will punish the rest of us including slower older ones who can't run round a duty as fast as they do.

You think you’ll be forced to go as fast as them?

Here is my argument: if for example everyone has 700 drops, we should each be paid a set number of hours for delivering, whether it takes us 2 minutes because we’re fast or 3 hours because we’re slower. My point is, we have each carried the weight and walked the miles. How long it takes us is our business to resolve.

With this theory there is an incentive to speed up. With the new system that incentive has been completely removed.

Not all 700 drops are equal

[Barnacle]

I can’t see how people who are fast aren’t going to be punished for being fast.

They'll punish the rest of us, our comdom reckons one of the things they'll look at when removing hours from the office is the PDA actuals out on delivery, so in effect the fast, obsessed with finishing early posties will punish the rest of us including slower older ones who can't run round a duty as fast as they do.

You think you’ll be forced to go as fast as them?

Here is my argument: if for example everyone has 700 drops, we should each be paid a set number of hours for delivering, whether it takes us 2 minutes because we’re fast or 3 hours because we’re slower. My point is, we have each carried the weight and walked the miles. How long it takes us is our business to resolve.

With this theory there is an incentive to speed up. With the new system that incentive has been completely removed.

Not all 700 drops are equal

700 drops was just a rough example not meant to be finely balanced.

[SpacePhoenix]

I can’t see how people who are fast aren’t going to be punished for being fast.

They'll punish the rest of us, our comdom reckons one of the things they'll look at when removing hours from the office is the PDA actuals out on delivery, so in effect the fast, obsessed with finishing early posties will punish the rest of us including slower older ones who can't run round a duty as fast as they do.

It was bound to happen they they'd use the actuals data when deciding how many hours to remove from a DO. Probably another factor will be parcels, whether the DO is a parcel hub or not

[Acca Dacca]

I can’t see how people who are fast aren’t going to be punished for being fast.

They'll punish the rest of us, our comdom reckons one of the things they'll look at when removing hours from the office is the PDA actuals out on delivery, so in effect the fast, obsessed with finishing early posties will punish the rest of us including slower older ones who can't run round a duty as fast as they do.

You think you’ll be forced to go as fast as them?

Here is my argument: if for example everyone has 700 drops, we should each be paid a set number of hours for delivering, whether it takes us 2 minutes because we’re fast or 3 hours because we’re slower. My point is, we have each carried the weight and walked the miles. How long it takes us is our business to resolve.

With this theory there is an incentive to speed up. With the new system that incentive has been completely removed.

Not all 700 drops are equal

700 drops was just a rough example not meant to be finely balanced.

Well if they’ve given you so many drops and you are constantly finishing early then it stands to reason they are going to give you more drops

Just get it knit your head you don’t need to finish early

[aiden01]

Or late

[Barnacle]

I can’t see how people who are fast aren’t going to be punished for being fast.

They'll punish the rest of us, our comdom reckons one of the things they'll look at when removing hours from the office is the PDA actuals out on delivery, so in effect the fast, obsessed with finishing early posties will punish the rest of us including slower older ones who can't run round a duty as fast as they do.

You think you’ll be forced to go as fast as them?

Here is my argument: if for example everyone has 700 drops, we should each be paid a set number of hours for delivering, whether it takes us 2 minutes because we’re fast or 3 hours because we’re slower. My point is, we have each carried the weight and walked the miles. How long it takes us is our business to resolve.

With this theory there is an incentive to speed up. With the new system that incentive has been completely removed.

Not all 700 drops are equal

700 drops was just a rough example not meant to be finely balanced.

Well if they’ve given you so many drops and you are constantly finishing early then it stands to reason they are going to give you more drops

Just get it knit your head you don’t need to finish early

My argument is that you have walked the miles and carried the weight, how fast or slow you do it is your issue- you should be paid a set amount.

Because the alternative is that they calculate how fast everyone should be, based on the fastest people. Meaning the majority are given goals they can’t meet. Unless you’re Usain Bolt you won’t stand a chance. That’s not the way they should be calculating it.

They’ve calculated collection routes on that basis and now you don’t get paid for the length of time it actually takes you because there are always variables such as traffic.

[rambo1]

I can’t see how people who are fast aren’t going to be punished for being fast.

They'll punish the rest of us, our comdom reckons one of the things they'll look at when removing hours from the office is the PDA actuals out on delivery, so in effect the fast, obsessed with finishing early posties will punish the rest of us including slower older ones who can't run round a duty as fast as they do.

You think you’ll be forced to go as fast as them?

Here is my argument: if for example everyone has 700 drops, we should each be paid a set number of hours for delivering, whether it takes us 2 minutes because we’re fast or 3 hours because we’re slower. My point is, we have each carried the weight and walked the miles. How long it takes us is our business to resolve.

With this theory there is an incentive to speed up. With the new system that incentive has been completely removed.

Not all 700 drops are equal

700 drops was just a rough example not meant to be finely balanced.

Well if they’ve given you so many drops and you are constantly finishing early then it stands to reason they are going to give you more drops

Just get it knit your head you don’t need to finish early

My argument is that you have walked the miles and carried the weight, how fast or slow you do it is your issue- you should be paid a set amount.

Because the alternative is that they calculate how fast everyone should be, based on the fastest people. Meaning the majority are given goals they can’t meet. Unless you’re Usain Bolt you won’t stand a chance. That’s not the way they should be calculating it.

They’ve calculated collection routes on that basis and now you don’t get paid for the length of time it actually takes you because there are always variables such as traffic.

You seem to think all it comes down to is how fast you walk, or not. What about doorstepping vs trying a couple of neighbours or walking up and down paths instead of the short cut across the grass or even closing gates behind you. Filling out a 739 fully vs just scribbling a time on it. The obvious, carrying a bag on your shoulder vs two on a LWT, yes you can putt two on, to get more pkts in. Oh and the big one, TAKING YOUR FULL BREAK, vs flying round and not taking one.
What are you trying to achieve by actually finishing a half hr early anyway? Is it really worth wearing yourself out for? It'll catch up with you in the long term.

[Barnacle]

I can’t see how people who are fast aren’t going to be punished for being fast.

They'll punish the rest of us, our comdom reckons one of the things they'll look at when removing hours from the office is the PDA actuals out on delivery, so in effect the fast, obsessed with finishing early posties will punish the rest of us including slower older ones who can't run round a duty as fast as they do.

You think you’ll be forced to go as fast as them?

Here is my argument: if for example everyone has 700 drops, we should each be paid a set number of hours for delivering, whether it takes us 2 minutes because we’re fast or 3 hours because we’re slower. My point is, we have each carried the weight and walked the miles. How long it takes us is our business to resolve.

With this theory there is an incentive to speed up. With the new system that incentive has been completely removed.

Not all 700 drops are equal

700 drops was just a rough example not meant to be finely balanced.

Well if they’ve given you so many drops and you are constantly finishing early then it stands to reason they are going to give you more drops

Just get it knit your head you don’t need to finish early

My argument is that you have walked the miles and carried the weight, how fast or slow you do it is your issue- you should be paid a set amount.

Because the alternative is that they calculate how fast everyone should be, based on the fastest people. Meaning the majority are given goals they can’t meet. Unless you’re Usain Bolt you won’t stand a chance. That’s not the way they should be calculating it.

They’ve calculated collection routes on that basis and now you don’t get paid for the length of time it actually takes you because there are always variables such as traffic.

You seem to think all it comes down to is how fast you walk, or not. What about doorstepping vs trying a couple of neighbours or walking up and down paths instead of the short cut across the grass or even closing gates behind you. Filling out a 739 fully vs just scribbling a time on it. The obvious, carrying a bag on your shoulder vs two on a LWT, yes you can putt two on, to get more pkts in. Oh and the big one, TAKING YOUR FULL BREAK, vs flying round and not taking one.
What are you trying to achieve by actually finishing a half hr early anyway? Is it really worth wearing yourself out for? It'll catch up with you in the long term.

My final sentence, ‘there are variables such as traffic’, points to the fact that I don’t think it is simply about how fast you can walk. My whole point is that that is how THEY view it, based on the fastest so they can pay people less.

I do the job so I know how it works.

[rambo1]

Thing is, as you will well know, managers turn a blind eye to the short cutters as long as they are doing their ghost overtime for them to get them out a hole but will jump on someone doing the job correctly if they dare as much to put down 30 mins for being late back.

[Barnacle]

They pick and choose who they will allow to do ghost hours and then with ohers they are there with an abacus working out exactly how long they think the overtime should take you and pay you only that and tough if it takes longer.

[rambo1]

They pick and choose who they will allow to do ghost hours and then with ohers they are there with an abacus working out exactly how long they think the overtime should take you and pay you only that and tough if it takes longer.

That's why I work to time. Get back bang on every day. That way you're not stressing if they will pay you or not for going over.

[antcpfc]

How is ghosting still a thing with SISO? It stopped at my DO as soon as it came in.

[Barnacle]

SISO?