Cwu where are you 13 walks going

[postslippete]

Do you not think the possibility of Ofcom is behind this dispute acting on a government agenda?

No

Business secretary Grant Shapps recently rejected Royal Mail's request to reduce the USO to 5 days a week scrapping Saturday letter deliveries.

https://www.ft.com/content/3eec7749-989 ... 502355ed1a


However, I believe that there is another debate scheduled in the Commons next month regarding the USO with a view as to why Royal Mail continue to keep failing it and that will put more pressure on ST. I think the narrative is something like: how does a business that made a record £758 million operating profit then report a £219 million loss just 6 months later?

If that is not gross mismanagement of the company's finances then I don't know what is.


But OfCom needs a kick up the ar$e. It knows that Royal Mail are continuing to fail letters but they appear to be letting Royal Mail off by suggesting that they cannot keep using the pandemic as an excuse. FFS lockdown ended yonks ago!!

[Barnacle]

Do you not think the possibility of Ofcom is behind this dispute acting on a government agenda?

No

Business secretary Grant Shapps recently rejected Royal Mail's request to reduce the USO to 5 days a week scrapping Saturday letter deliveries.

https://www.ft.com/content/3eec7749-989 ... 502355ed1a


However, I believe that there is another debate scheduled in the Commons next month regarding the USO with a view as to why Royal Mail continue to keep failing it and that will put more pressure on ST. I think the narrative is something like: how does a business that made a record £758 million operating profit then report a £219 million loss just 6 months later?

If that is not gross mismanagement of the company's finances then I don't know what is.


But OfCom needs a kick up the ar$e. It knows that Royal Mail are continuing to fail letters but they appear to be letting Royal Mail off by suggesting that they cannot keep using the pandemic as an excuse. FFS lockdown ended yonks ago!!

OFCOM do need a boot up the backside. Colleague of mine tried to report RM to them and was told to take her complaint to the company. So, complain directly to Royal Mail about Royal Mail

[stevejm]

To be honest you shouldn't need to stretch and warm up to complete a delivery but nutrition, hydration and basic fitness levels are important.

It's no longer a job where you can afford to carry around any excess baggage. You can't really complain about the damage to hips, knees and ankles if you're carrying the weight of a delivery bag around your waist.

Obesity is a growing epidemic in British society, that's official - even amongst under 30s. Yet RM is introducing changes that require us to be less obese. 2 words > recruitment, retention.

But doing a delivery is not the point - the point is long term wear and tear on joints and soft tissue. That can happen to skinny people as well as overweight posties. We all know that some people are skinny and have issues putting muscle on, others are built like the proverbial and effortlessly add muscle. The same genetic variances will play out in terms of joint strength and protection.

[stevejm]

Don't be carrying, get it on a trolley

It's not even the 'load' - it's walking 100 marathons a year (yes we do!) year after year - human bodies are not designed to do that

Actually human bodies are 'designed' to do that. It's the human race and evolution that has evolved it out of us.

You're suggesting that as hunter-gatherers we walked great distances? Correct - between 3.5 to 8 miles. But, as you say, 21st century homo-sapien is not conditioned to walk that distance or greater every day - and lets not forget that the average caveman didn't live long enough to suffer degenerative joint issues.

ST referred to us as professional athletes earlier in the year, so he's ahead of the game. Maybe the next "evolution" in his terminology will be to call us professional neanderthals!

[Sbutts8182]

Let them bring it in, they can’t enforce commit to deliver without agreement, work your hours, follow cut off procedure and do the job properly, you have nothing to worry about.

[k979aaa]

Let them bring it in, they can’t enforce commit to deliver without agreement, work your hours, follow cut off procedure and do the job properly, you have nothing to worry about.

That is the problem making people work longer than they should have to well if the work is that important. Why do they delay it themselves? as they do in every office up and down the nation?

[nikrad]

Hunter gatherers will walk great distances that’s true, but the difference is that they probably aren’t doing it six days a week.

[postieblueshirt]

My office today been told 13 walks going on executive action
Nothing from the cwu for a week
Now while there going to do it
Surley not ?

Union are off enjoying their holiday they could care less. Just keep paying your subs and enjoy your shiny pens and 2023 cwu calendar!

This thread has gone astray!!! More importantly I've been a cwu member for 27 years I've never had a cwu pen or calendar wtf!!!

[guardianangel]

Im afraid you won't hear nothing from the cwu because there is nothing they can do about it,if they want to force through change they can and there is nothing legally you can do,the only thing in the Union's Arsenal is to return another massive yes vote ballot and continue large damaging strikes,if the workforce are not up for that its the end of fairness and equality in our workplace where the old and weak will fall,the choice is all down to us.

[Eduardo]

if the workforce are not up for that its the end of fairness and equality in our workplace where the old and weak will fall,the choice is all down to us.

Yep, that is the future as I see it too.
Collective bargaining is the only alternative.

[DirtyHarry]

Seriously, how far do these executive knob head's think a person can reasonably walk every day!

The same question could and should be asked of the CWU and Dave Joyce.
The problems of automation and longer delivery spans is nothing new. The CWU fudged the issue by passing the decision down to local level.

I think (and this is nothing new) people need to stop believing the technology attached to their wrist or on their phone.
I doubt people are actually walking anything like what they claim.

Clash, even if we are walking 5/6 miles a day and not 10/12 - the end result, as witnessed with colleagues waiting on hip and knee replacement operations, is that the CURRENT workload (however many miles that is) is detrimental to our long term health. Increasing the amount we currently walk by 20-30% should logically lead to the same injuries and deteriorated health outcomes occurring sooner and/or to more of us.

That's exactly what will happen.
The sheer exhaustion alone, from having to do this bloody job, is of the sort of scale I think few other people in other lines of work encounter.
It hangs over one like a shroud. Day in, day out.

[SpacePhoenix]

Seriously, how far do these executive knob head's think a person can reasonably walk every day!

The same question could and should be asked of the CWU and Dave Joyce.
The problems of automation and longer delivery spans is nothing new. The CWU fudged the issue by passing the decision down to local level.

I think (and this is nothing new) people need to stop believing the technology attached to their wrist or on their phone.
I doubt people are actually walking anything like what they claim.

Clash, even if we are walking 5/6 miles a day and not 10/12 - the end result, as witnessed with colleagues waiting on hip and knee replacement operations, is that the CURRENT workload (however many miles that is) is detrimental to our long term health. Increasing the amount we currently walk by 20-30% should logically lead to the same injuries and deteriorated health outcomes occurring sooner and/or to more of us.

That's exactly what will happen.
The sheer exhaustion alone, from having to do this bloody job, is of the sort of scale I think few other people in other lines of work encounter.
It hangs over one like a shroud. Day in, day out.

How many of them do walks which were designed around the use of the LWT but they're not using the LWT?

[DirtyHarry]

I don't know.
I use a HCT every day, makes no damn difference.
I go home exhausted, wake up tired, go home exhausted, wake up tired, and on, and on, and on.

A job in deliveries is going to have a bad impact on most people's health. We simply walk too many miles in every extreme of weather, every day, every month, every year.
Something has to give, and first, and foremost, that something will be health.
The human body just wasn't made to cope with such incessant punishment.

[norris9]

then you have letter boxes at the bottom of doors which absolutely suck the life from your body to deliver to. There's one where I go up quite a few steps and then have to post through a low letter box, when I rise back up from that I have to take a moment to recover.

We should be able to refuse to deliver to any low letter boxes. Customers should have suitable 21st Century letter boxes which fit A4 letters and are at least 4 feet from the ground. Accumulatively throughout the country it would save a lot of time on delivery and injuries.

Xmas is the worst time of year when people have the tiny letterboxes from year 1915, having to knock to hand people their xmas cards.

[FilthyBloke]

then you have letter boxes at the bottom of doors which absolutely suck the life from your body to deliver to. There's one where I go up quite a few steps and then have to post through a low letter box, when I rise back up from that I have to take a moment to recover.

We should be able to refuse to deliver to any low letter boxes. Customers should have suitable 21st Century letter boxes which fit A4 letters and are at least 4 feet from the ground. Accumulatively throughout the country it would save a lot of time on delivery and injuries.

Xmas is the worst time of year when people have the tiny letterboxes from year 1915, having to knock to hand people their xmas cards.

I don’t deliver to low letter boxes. I knock on the door and if no answer I leave a 739card explaining that their letterbox is inadequate. A few people have moaned in the past but now most of them either have a box or they know they get it when rota man delivers.

As for small, tiny 1915 letterboxes I knock the door again and if not in I 739 every item, including junk. You are not meant to bend anything so I don’t.