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paulwolves
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holidays during IA

Post by paulwolves »

can anyone enlighten me on the procedure of booking holidays.... i have 92hrs carried from last year that i couldn't book and was told by a manager to book them this year... spoke to him in august and he said we will look in jan 2023 and have them then... i wasn't bothered when i had them so said ok.... now he is saying i cannot book any holidays in this financial year ending march 2023 and have to carry them over again. surely this is not right and illegal...can anyone advise that may know the procedure. i have put a grievance in but thats as good as a managers word(NOTHING). i would appreciate your input...
regards
paul
guardianangel
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Re: holidays during IA

Post by guardianangel »

Working time regulations 1998,he must let you take the leave you have aquired in that financial year,if you want it all tell him,but they can dictate when they give it to you,i think royal mail do have a policy that allows you to carry over 5 days,hopefully a union rep can clarify
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Re: holidays during IA

Post by rambo1 »

paulwolves wrote:
28 Dec 2022, 16:59
can anyone enlighten me on the procedure of booking holidays.... i have 92hrs carried from last year that i couldn't book and was told by a manager to book them this year... spoke to him in august and he said we will look in jan 2023 and have them then... i wasn't bothered when i had them so said ok.... now he is saying i cannot book any holidays in this financial year ending march 2023 and have to carry them over again. surely this is not right and illegal...can anyone advise that may know the procedure. i have put a grievance in but thats as good as a managers word(NOTHING). i would appreciate your input...
regards
paul
You're correct. I think there is a max you can actually carry over anyway and it's nowhere near 92hrs!! Get him to sit down and sort it.
paulwolves
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Re: holidays during IA

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thanks for taking time guys to answer....looks like a fight all the way which i am determined to win : :Applause no
redlen
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Re: holidays during IA

Post by redlen »

All you can take as in annual leave in that current leave year will be 28 paid days max under the Working Time Regulations according to your contracted hours.

Banked hours into the next years leave cycle will not apply and the employer can say no to requests. You agreed carrying over excess hours as a contractual entitlement, so the Working Time Regulations will not apply. Those regulations guarantee only 28 days in any 12 month period.

Carrying over leave is designed for five days max or longer for people on long term sick.

Now the bad news

If Royal Mail wanted to be utter barstewards they can delete any excess carried over leave with no compensation after a period of 18 months has passed.

Do not carry any leave over, insist on it and use the grievance procedure if necessary.
paulwolves
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Re: holidays during IA

Post by paulwolves »

redlen wrote:
28 Dec 2022, 17:40
All you can take as in annual leave in that current leave year will be 28 paid days max under the Working Time Regulations according to your contracted hours.

Banked hours into the next years leave cycle will not apply and the employer can say no to requests. You agreed carrying over excess hours as a contractual entitlement, so the Working Time Regulations will not apply. Those regulations guarantee only 28 days in any 12 month period.

Carrying over leave is designed for five days max or longer for people on long term sick.

Now the bad news

If Royal Mail wanted to be utter barstewards they can delete any excess carried over leave with no compensation after a period of 18 months has passed.

Do not carry any leave over, insist on it and use the grievance procedure if necessary.
cheers for that... i wasnt given a choice in the matter.... asked/declined etc etc. listen as i told my manager... i'll have them regardless.. he can choose between holiday pay and full sick pay and i'll have the argument another time. :nana
paulwolves
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Re: holidays during IA

Post by paulwolves »

forgot to add... 2 weeks was POAL...
moonjaguar
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Re: holidays during IA

Post by moonjaguar »

I've got a similar amount to use but the manager's been off sick for ages. I thought you could ask to be paid instead of taking it, or am I wrong?
Surreypostie
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Re: holidays during IA

Post by Surreypostie »

Your manager cannot stop you taking leave this year, no space in the book etc is not your problem, you can take them to a tribunal and you will win. Put it in writing that you want your leave, as stated, they can tell you when to take it, you have no right to take it when you want it. Tell him, in writing, if you do not get your leave you will take him to a tribunal.


https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights
aiden01
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Re: holidays during IA

Post by aiden01 »

rambo1 wrote:
28 Dec 2022, 17:16
paulwolves wrote:
28 Dec 2022, 16:59
can anyone enlighten me on the procedure of booking holidays.... i have 92hrs carried from last year that i couldn't book and was told by a manager to book them this year... spoke to him in august and he said we will look in jan 2023 and have them then... i wasn't bothered when i had them so said ok.... now he is saying i cannot book any holidays in this financial year ending march 2023 and have to carry them over again. surely this is not right and illegal...can anyone advise that may know the procedure. i have put a grievance in but thats as good as a managers word(NOTHING). i would appreciate your input...
regards
paul
You're correct. I think there is a max you can actually carry over anyway and it's nowhere near 92hrs!! Get him to sit down and sort it.
5 days " i know its done in hrs now" so whatever your contracted hrs are. also think manager has to ok it carrying more over.
aiden01
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Re: holidays during IA

Post by aiden01 »

moonjaguar wrote:
28 Dec 2022, 20:32
I've got a similar amount to use but the manager's been off sick for ages. I thought you could ask to be paid instead of taking it, or am I wrong?
Your wrong sorry