PEC agreed yesterday to make Royal Mail a fresh offer to suspend this week's planned strikes and implement a period of calm until the 16th Jan, subject to a joint statement

[Rommagic]

Never any good news .

[CRIBMAD]

Financially, the big danger for Royal Mail is the three months after Christmas. Businesses won't be forced to use them anymore, and after this disaster, won't be inclined to. So you have what is usually a quiet period turned into a blood-letting.

This is where not delivering the post hits. It made sense - I suppose - on a short-term financial basis. But it's a continuing advertisement day after day that the company is unreliable, going into every home in the country.

Other UK delivery services are in the process of upscaling to absorb Royal Mail's parcel marketshare, which as you say will continue into 2023 and beyond as the strikes continue.

I (my business) stuck with RM throughout first few strikes in October/November but kept receiving emails from my customers along the lines of; "Royal Mail are shite, they're always on strike, why does your company keep using them when you are aware of how unreliable they have become?'

So after a number of those emails I decided to surrender to the customer and we now ship all UK parcels with UPS. It certainly costs the customer more in shipping fees than RM parcels did, but my customers are aware that there's a cost to qaulity ratio in play. As a result, I've not had a single delivery related complaint from a UK customer since transitioning over to UPS.

I can see RM streamlining in coming years (AKA downsizing due to a lesser demand for their services).

HERE COME THE RM TROLLS !

[sindba]

Financially, the big danger for Royal Mail is the three months after Christmas. Businesses won't be forced to use them anymore, and after this disaster, won't be inclined to. So you have what is usually a quiet period turned into a blood-letting.

This is where not delivering the post hits. It made sense - I suppose - on a short-term financial basis. But it's a continuing advertisement day after day that the company is unreliable, going into every home in the country.

Other UK delivery services are in the process of absorbing Royal Mail's parcel marketshare, which as you say will continue into 2023 and beyond as the strikes continue.

I (my business) stuck with RM throughout first few strikes in October/November but kept receiving emails from my customers along the lines of; "Royal Mail are shite, they're always on strike, why does your company keep using them when you are aware of how unreliable they have become?'

So after a number of those emails I decided to surrender to the customer and we now ship all UK parcels with UPS. It certainly costs the customer more in shipping fees than RM parcels did, but my customers are aware that there's a cost to qaulity ratio in play, and so I've not hand a single delivery related complaint from a UK customer since transitioning over to UPS.

I can see RM streamlining in coming years (AKA downsizing due to a lesser demand for their services).

Interesting, thanks. And completely understandable.

But please understand that it's not us workers causing this deterioration in service quality. On the contrary, we are the ones who take pride in Royal Mail.

We are fighting to save our jobs and our quality of life, sure. But we're also trying to save Royal Mail from the short term parasite bosses who simply want to asset strip it, run it into the ground, and run away with their loot.

[Fannybaws]

There would have been more chance of someone with only one leg winning a backside kicking contest than RM agreeing to all that, and well Dave Ward would have known that when he sent it.

Even if the strikes were called off, it would only be slight damage limitation at best, Christmas will still be written off as a MASSIVE failure, not only from back logs but from both temporary and permanent loss of business, along with so many totally demoralised and stressed out staff obviously only doing the bare minimum instead of working their clogs off like previous years out of personal pride.

Arguably the 3 biggest events of RM's yearly calendar - Black Friday, Cyber Monday and Christmas have been cast aside by the board, so heaven help everyone come January 2nd when even in normal times they turn the thumb screw.

Have to agree with you. It's plain to see they are throwing everything at the frontline to break the union once and for all. It's pretty much a siege mentality and have obviously been planning this for some time.

Come January/February they'll show their full colours just like they did a decade or so ago when we had them against the wall at Christmas and the union fell for an "amnesty" to get Christmas delivered and then came January and they steam rolled all over us and pushed through everything they wanted.

He's determined to finish what Moya Greene and Black started over the past few years. Weak union and compliant workforce.

[YourBoy]

Financially, the big danger for Royal Mail is the three months after Christmas. Businesses won't be forced to use them anymore, and after this disaster, won't be inclined to. So you have what is usually a quiet period turned into a blood-letting.

This is where not delivering the post hits. It made sense - I suppose - on a short-term financial basis. But it's a continuing advertisement day after day that the company is unreliable, going into every home in the country.

Other UK delivery services are in the process of absorbing Royal Mail's parcel marketshare, which as you say will continue into 2023 and beyond as the strikes continue.

I (my business) stuck with RM throughout first few strikes in October/November but kept receiving emails from my customers along the lines of; "Royal Mail are shite, they're always on strike, why does your company keep using them when you are aware of how unreliable they have become?'

So after a number of those emails I decided to surrender to the customer and we now ship all UK parcels with UPS. It certainly costs the customer more in shipping fees than RM parcels did, but my customers are aware that there's a cost to qaulity ratio in play, and so I've not hand a single delivery related complaint from a UK customer since transitioning over to UPS.

I can see RM streamlining in coming years (AKA downsizing due to a lesser demand for their services).

Interesting, thanks. And completely understandable.

But please understand that it's not us workers causing this deterioration in service quality. On the contrary, we are the ones who take pride in Royal Mail.

We are fighting to save our jobs and our quality of life, sure. But we're also trying to save Royal Mail from the short term parasite bosses who simply want to asset strip it, run it into the ground, and run away with their loot.

I completely understand, I'm not against what you fellas are fighting for, I too want to see the improved working conditions implemented by RM.

Some customers are swines, however, and just give us business owners a load of stick for things like this, so we have to jump ship with RM in order to curb the refund/return requests due to their purchases 'not arriving on time' etc.

I'm very chatty with my postie and he often lets off a bit of steam to me with people who have him collect 50 parcels from their house when he's only given a small mail cart to take around with him, or when people leave a bunch of completely blank parcels for him to collect from a safe place, and have him guess which pre-printed label he's supposed to affix to which of the blank parcels.

RM are enabling senders to make posties jobs an absolute nightmare.

[YourBoy]

Financially, the big danger for Royal Mail is the three months after Christmas. Businesses won't be forced to use them anymore, and after this disaster, won't be inclined to. So you have what is usually a quiet period turned into a blood-letting.

This is where not delivering the post hits. It made sense - I suppose - on a short-term financial basis. But it's a continuing advertisement day after day that the company is unreliable, going into every home in the country.

Other UK delivery services are in the process of upscaling to absorb Royal Mail's parcel marketshare, which as you say will continue into 2023 and beyond as the strikes continue.

I (my business) stuck with RM throughout first few strikes in October/November but kept receiving emails from my customers along the lines of; "Royal Mail are shite, they're always on strike, why does your company keep using them when you are aware of how unreliable they have become?'

So after a number of those emails I decided to surrender to the customer and we now ship all UK parcels with UPS. It certainly costs the customer more in shipping fees than RM parcels did, but my customers are aware that there's a cost to qaulity ratio in play. As a result, I've not had a single delivery related complaint from a UK customer since transitioning over to UPS.

I can see RM streamlining in coming years (AKA downsizing due to a lesser demand for their services).

HERE COME THE RM TROLLS !

Using capitals and uttering the word troll is an easy comeback to shut down a debate, but holds no substance pal. Thanks anyway.

[richietns]

There would have been more chance of someone with only one leg winning a backside kicking contest than RM agreeing to all that, and well Dave Ward would have known that when he sent it.

Even if the strikes were called off, it would only be slight damage limitation at best, Christmas will still be written off as a MASSIVE failure, not only from back logs but from both temporary and permanent loss of business, along with so many totally demoralised and stressed out staff obviously only doing the bare minimum instead of working their clogs off like previous years out of personal pride.

Arguably the 3 biggest events of RM's yearly calendar - Black Friday, Cyber Monday and Christmas have been cast aside by the board, so heaven help everyone come January 2nd when even in normal times they turn the thumb screw.

Have to agree with you. It's plain to see they are throwing everything at the frontline to break the union once and for all. It's pretty much a siege mentality and have obviously been planning this for some time.

Come January/February they'll show their full colours just like they did a decade or so ago when we had them against the wall at Christmas and the union fell for an "amnesty" to get Christmas delivered and then came January and they steam rolled all over us and pushed through everything they wanted.

He's determined to finish what Moya Greene and Black started over the past few years. Weak union and compliant workforce.

And they got ousted.

[CRIBMAD]

Financially, the big danger for Royal Mail is the three months after Christmas. Businesses won't be forced to use them anymore, and after this disaster, won't be inclined to. So you have what is usually a quiet period turned into a blood-letting.

This is where not delivering the post hits. It made sense - I suppose - on a short-term financial basis. But it's a continuing advertisement day after day that the company is unreliable, going into every home in the country.

Other UK delivery services are in the process of upscaling to absorb Royal Mail's parcel marketshare, which as you say will continue into 2023 and beyond as the strikes continue.

I (my business) stuck with RM throughout first few strikes in October/November but kept receiving emails from my customers along the lines of; "Royal Mail are shite, they're always on strike, why does your company keep using them when you are aware of how unreliable they have become?'

So after a number of those emails I decided to surrender to the customer and we now ship all UK parcels with UPS. It certainly costs the customer more in shipping fees than RM parcels did, but my customers are aware that there's a cost to qaulity ratio in play. As a result, I've not had a single delivery related complaint from a UK customer since transitioning over to UPS.

I can see RM streamlining in coming years (AKA downsizing due to a lesser demand for their services).

HERE COME THE RM TROLLS !

Using capitals and uttering the word troll is an easy comeback to shut down a debate, but holds no substance pal. Thanks anyway.

i really do not think a genuine businessman would use the derogatory line "Royal Mail are shite" and im not your pal AND YOU ARE WELCOME !

[priority102]

So you just constantly throw out negative comments to help royalmail with there plans pleased your not a union leader jesus we would of been gone already,we all know thompsons ploughing through its not rocket science.

Whatever.

[YourBoy]

Financially, the big danger for Royal Mail is the three months after Christmas. Businesses won't be forced to use them anymore, and after this disaster, won't be inclined to. So you have what is usually a quiet period turned into a blood-letting.

This is where not delivering the post hits. It made sense - I suppose - on a short-term financial basis. But it's a continuing advertisement day after day that the company is unreliable, going into every home in the country.

Other UK delivery services are in the process of upscaling to absorb Royal Mail's parcel marketshare, which as you say will continue into 2023 and beyond as the strikes continue.

I (my business) stuck with RM throughout first few strikes in October/November but kept receiving emails from my customers along the lines of; "Royal Mail are shite, they're always on strike, why does your company keep using them when you are aware of how unreliable they have become?'

So after a number of those emails I decided to surrender to the customer and we now ship all UK parcels with UPS. It certainly costs the customer more in shipping fees than RM parcels did, but my customers are aware that there's a cost to qaulity ratio in play. As a result, I've not had a single delivery related complaint from a UK customer since transitioning over to UPS.

I can see RM streamlining in coming years (AKA downsizing due to a lesser demand for their services).

HERE COME THE RM TROLLS !

Using capitals and uttering the word troll is an easy comeback to shut down a debate, but holds no substance pal. Thanks anyway.

i really do not think a genuine businessman would use the derogatory line "Royal Mail are shite" and im not your pal AND YOU ARE WELCOME !

Those are actually my customers words. Read things properly before diving straight into your "I've got a chip on my shoulder' personality.

[sindba]

Financially, the big danger for Royal Mail is the three months after Christmas. Businesses won't be forced to use them anymore, and after this disaster, won't be inclined to. So you have what is usually a quiet period turned into a blood-letting.

This is where not delivering the post hits. It made sense - I suppose - on a short-term financial basis. But it's a continuing advertisement day after day that the company is unreliable, going into every home in the country.

Other UK delivery services are in the process of upscaling to absorb Royal Mail's parcel marketshare, which as you say will continue into 2023 and beyond as the strikes continue.

I (my business) stuck with RM throughout first few strikes in October/November but kept receiving emails from my customers along the lines of; "Royal Mail are shite, they're always on strike, why does your company keep using them when you are aware of how unreliable they have become?'

So after a number of those emails I decided to surrender to the customer and we now ship all UK parcels with UPS. It certainly costs the customer more in shipping fees than RM parcels did, but my customers are aware that there's a cost to qaulity ratio in play. As a result, I've not had a single delivery related complaint from a UK customer since transitioning over to UPS.

I can see RM streamlining in coming years (AKA downsizing due to a lesser demand for their services).

HERE COME THE RM TROLLS !

Using capitals and uttering the word troll is an easy comeback to shut down a debate, but holds no substance pal. Thanks anyway.

i really do not think a genuine businessman would use the derogatory line "Royal Mail are shite" and im not your pal AND YOU ARE WELCOME !

He's passing on what his customers have said to him. And he's said he is supportive, but just can't use RM any more. (and that's kind of what we want isn't it? Ramp up the pressure on the board?).

Hearing the customer perspective can't do any harm. There are many management trolls here, but I think you've got Yourboy wrong.

Calm down!

[postslippete]

I would like to know which parts of the offer that Royal Mail didn't like....and I suspect it is ALL of it


They don't want an agreement with the Union unless its an agreement that suits their agenda towards a lower paid workforce on worse terms and conditions, more owner drivers delivering parcels probably in their cars and less reliance on delivering letters everyday, even though they have an obligation to do so via the USO.

Sadly, the only thing we can do is to keep striking as we have no other choice.

[YourBoy]

Financially, the big danger for Royal Mail is the three months after Christmas. Businesses won't be forced to use them anymore, and after this disaster, won't be inclined to. So you have what is usually a quiet period turned into a blood-letting.

This is where not delivering the post hits. It made sense - I suppose - on a short-term financial basis. But it's a continuing advertisement day after day that the company is unreliable, going into every home in the country.

Other UK delivery services are in the process of upscaling to absorb Royal Mail's parcel marketshare, which as you say will continue into 2023 and beyond as the strikes continue.

I (my business) stuck with RM throughout first few strikes in October/November but kept receiving emails from my customers along the lines of; "Royal Mail are shite, they're always on strike, why does your company keep using them when you are aware of how unreliable they have become?'

So after a number of those emails I decided to surrender to the customer and we now ship all UK parcels with UPS. It certainly costs the customer more in shipping fees than RM parcels did, but my customers are aware that there's a cost to qaulity ratio in play. As a result, I've not had a single delivery related complaint from a UK customer since transitioning over to UPS.

I can see RM streamlining in coming years (AKA downsizing due to a lesser demand for their services).

HERE COME THE RM TROLLS !

Using capitals and uttering the word troll is an easy comeback to shut down a debate, but holds no substance pal. Thanks anyway.

i really do not think a genuine businessman would use the derogatory line "Royal Mail are shite" and im not your pal AND YOU ARE WELCOME !

He's passing on what his customers have said to him. And he's said he is supportive, but just can't use RM any more. (and that's kind of what we want isn't it? Ramp up the pressure on the board?).

Hearing the customer perspective can't do any harm. There are many management trolls here, but I think you've got Yourboy wrong.

Calm down!

Thanks Sindba!

I'm merely a small business owner and have been so since 2009, a sole trader in reality and want to remain that way until retirement, if I'm lucky. I have nothing to do with RM other than my own/business shipping needs, certainly nothing to with the management of any company, large or small.

I still use RM internationally to ship to about 100 countries around the globe. The UK has changed for me for now, as mentioned, but I must have affixed more CN22's to parcels than I've had hot dinners over the past 13 years of business.

I want you guys to achieve the goal of gaining better standards of employment, I can literally see it in my posties eyes that he's had enough. As I exemplified before, RM are giving him extra parcel collection responsibilities each quarter and not gearing him up with the tools for such changes. Having anyone walk around a neighbourhood with a small cart to drop off and pickup hundreds of parcels is just plain stupid. If RM is going to focus on the parcel market, as it certainly should, they need to be taking posties off of the pavement and putting them in vans (not just occasionally, but permanently), rather than having them juggling hundreds of parcels on the pavement sometimes in -10 or +40 degree C.

I don't want RM to go belly up as nothing good can come of that, but I want things for you guys to improve, not just have RM run their workforce into the ground, which is evident at my own doorstep.

As Sindba says, RM will have no choice but to buck up their ideas if businesses continue giving them the adios due to the striking!

[TopperGas]

After looking at both proposed "joint statements" it seems the main issues still in dispute are Parcel Force and new entrants terms and conditions, personally I'm not that concerned about either to warrant losing at least another 2 days pay.

Given the silence on the other proposed T&C changes I assume the changes to sick pay and allowances etc are considered agreed by both sides?

[walthmstowman]

Financially, the big danger for Royal Mail is the three months after Christmas. Businesses won't be forced to use them anymore, and after this disaster, won't be inclined to. So you have what is usually a quiet period turned into a blood-letting.

This is where not delivering the post hits. It made sense - I suppose - on a short-term financial basis. But it's a continuing advertisement day after day that the company is unreliable, going into every home in the country.

Other UK delivery services are in the process of upscaling to absorb Royal Mail's parcel marketshare, which as you say will continue into 2023 and beyond as the strikes continue.

I (my business) stuck with RM throughout first few strikes in October/November but kept receiving emails from my customers along the lines of; "Royal Mail are shite, they're always on strike, why does your company keep using them when you are aware of how unreliable they have become?'

So after a number of those emails I decided to surrender to the customer and we now ship all UK parcels with UPS. It certainly costs the customer more in shipping fees than RM parcels did, but my customers are aware that there's a cost to qaulity ratio in play. As a result, I've not had a single delivery related complaint from a UK customer since transitioning over to UPS.

I can see RM streamlining in coming years (AKA downsizing due to a lesser demand for their services).

HERE COME THE RM TROLLS !

This is 100% down to Simon Thompson and the Royal Mail board. They refuse to be reasonable or compromise on anything. A message to any high ranking managers reading this messageboard .You won’t be able to destroy the union without destroying the company. Don’t you idiot’s realise that the union is your own staff . How can you make such monumental changes and succeed while leaving all your staff behind. Your enforced changes are doomed to fail without
any national agreements