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RMCtv : Trainee 'Whose side am I on?' managers

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yellowbelly wrote:
27 Sep 2022, 17:36
Can someone enlighten me - why are they still 'Trainee Managers' after that many years doing the job?
Surely you could become a 'proper' manager after about two/three years? If you've not passed by then........
I am relatively new to RM, is this just poorly named assistant managers? Or is there a syllabus, or 'programme' to progress people on towards management without having management vacancies in the first place?

Either way, sounds a complete con, like the Subway 'Sandwich Artist' apprenticeships, just cheap(er) labour for the company.
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Update - for Trainee Managers
I've had a few requests to add Trainee Managers to the list of people required to take the Door to Door upskilling course. If anybody wants to take the course then the short term workaround is to 'search for it' in Success Factors and complete.
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The Door to Door upskilling course?
Seriously?
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gfte wrote:
27 Sep 2022, 18:53
yellowbelly wrote:
27 Sep 2022, 17:36
Can someone enlighten me - why are they still 'Trainee Managers' after that many years doing the job?
Surely you could become a 'proper' manager after about two/three years? If you've not passed by then........
I am relatively new to RM, is this just poorly named assistant managers? Or is there a syllabus, or 'programme' to progress people on towards management without having management vacancies in the first place?

Either way, sounds a complete con, like the Subway 'Sandwich Artist' apprenticeships, just cheap(er) labour for the company.
That's what I'm thinking,why does it take so long, to be fair on the bloke and I'm absolutely not being disrespectful here but I'm pretty sure our manager could pass on all he knows if he had a trainee with him for one day.
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Trainee Manager of 56 years
Trainee Manager Pay Rate
Basic pay £467.20 x 52 = £24,294.40, sub (5 days) £118.93 x 52 = £6184.36, basic + sub = £30,478.76 salary.
£30,478.76 / 52 weeks = 586.13 a week / 41 hours = £14.30 which is £1.67 an hour more than basic wage as a postie.
Compare that to the roles we cover who are on £18.76 an hour. Is the value of our labour really £4.46 an hour less than the role we cover? Is the £1.67 worth the grief and responsibility? I would like to hear what other people think.

Trainee Manager of 46 years 2 months and 3 days
i've been saying this for years. We do the exact same job as colleagues who earn £40k a year, hows that fair?

Trainee Manager of 23 years
Don't forget you do not get paid subs for when you are on A/L!!!!!

Trainee Manager of 56 years
good point I forgot to add that into my calculations so subtract 4.5 weeks of substitution, which is £535.19, bringing the total salary to £29,943.57.

Trainee Manager & RMtv presenter
or when your sick , because trainees don’t go sick only posties do

Trainee Manager of 32 years
Don't forget the bonus scheme COM's have, and incentive payments for not going sick through I/A

Trainee Manager & RMtv presenter
we most definitely do COM work. Matter of fact many trainee managers work harder and do more than the COMs their working alongside. The only thing holding people back is the lack of resources given to us and people believing we are not doing the same work as them

Trainee Manager of 22 years 5 months and 2 days
It’s an utter disgrace!!! Argued this point loads of times and no one is interested just keep getting fobbed off!

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Is anyone getting the higher rate of pay we were promised for working through the strike? i have asked some of the senior managers and no one ever gets back to me. Also are we getting the £1000 bonus at the end of October? :shock:
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Trainee Manager of 40 years
Trainee Manager £500 bonus??? Is there any news on this bonus for trainee managers??

Trainee Manager of 16 years
I received this from HR last week when I queried it -

There are no “bonus vouchers” for trainee managers – the recognition payment was for substantive delivery COM grade, however there has been a payment agreed in relation to the CMA pay agreement which is aimed at being paid in November although the specific date has not been provided to us as yet.

Also -

Christmas bonuses for CWU grades are being paid as normal, as far as we are aware. One thing to note though is these are not payable to anyone substituting to CMA grade during the pressure period.

So no vouchers & no christmas bonuses... no recognition for any of our hardwork & no thanks for working through the strikes.
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POSTMAN wrote:
23 Nov 2022, 16:00
Trainee Manager of 40 years
Trainee Manager £500 bonus??? Is there any news on this bonus for trainee managers??

Trainee Manager of 16 years
I received this from HR last week when I queried it -

There are no “bonus vouchers” for trainee managers – the recognition payment was for substantive delivery COM grade, however there has been a payment agreed in relation to the CMA pay agreement which is aimed at being paid in November although the specific date has not been provided to us as yet.

Also -

Christmas bonuses for CWU grades are being paid as normal, as far as we are aware. One thing to note though is these are not payable to anyone substituting to CMA grade during the pressure period.

So no vouchers & no christmas bonuses... no recognition for any of our hardwork & no thanks for working through the strikes.
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Trainee Manager of 4 years

Hi all,
I cant find an answer to my question on HR help, hopefully someone will know on this group. If you have worked through all the strikes as a full time trainee manager will we receive an underpayment of £100 in January as no Christmas bonus was paid, only the underpin bonus?
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we are in many cases the glue that repeatedly saves the company's skin
Spat my tea out. Talk about deluded, our office runs better when there is no manager,
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antcpfc wrote:
16 Dec 2022, 15:29
we are in many cases the glue that repeatedly saves the company's skin
Spat my tea out. Talk about deluded, our office runs better when there is no manager,
If they think they're the glue, I can only assume they've been sniffing themselves :crazy:
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Trainee Manager of 40 years

Trainee Manager of 16 years
Says it all really, you would think by now someone would have told them after 16/40 years 'Training' that they're not really cutting the mustard.
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FOST wrote:
16 Dec 2022, 16:12
antcpfc wrote:
16 Dec 2022, 15:29
we are in many cases the glue that repeatedly saves the company's skin
Spat my tea out. Talk about deluded, our office runs better when there is no manager,
If they think they're the glue, I can only assume they've been sniffing themselves :crazy:
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Is that a piss take? Imagine not getting the hint after that length of time deary me Manager material right there ffs :roll: