Mail centre reviews

[Chrissie]

We have had a brief this morning telling us of a north west review of mail centres ie. Stockport Oldham Preston Manchester Liverpool etc. Has anyone got any info on this as our bosses are pleading ignorance and telling us it is a surprise to them to.

[dongash]

i'm in delivery at macclesfield, and our area rep seems to think stockport is favourite to go ??? anybody heard anything on this ?

[norbert]

We have had a brief this morning telling us of a north west review of mail centres ie. Stockport Oldham Preston Manchester Liverpool etc. Has anyone got any info on this as our bosses are pleading ignorance and telling us it is a surprise to them to.

a surprise yeah right ! , everything is to a foregone conclusion with RM . RM would love to play those places up against each other , oldest one in the book.

[L Tommo]

Problem solved... Make sure you do your best to come last in the E.P's and that should keep RM happy.....


Out

[weetrogg]

Oldham,Bolton,Preston,Manchester,Stockport,Liverpool and crewe MCs and associated delivery offices aswell as North West RDC. Its supposed to be a 6 week review, but our ex MC manager has been leading this project for upto 18 months. As to which offices will close, well heres one rumour ive heard Liverpool and crewe into NW RDC, Bolton into Preston and Oldham into Manchester, Stockport CDO into Stockport MC(with loss off mech work to Manchester MC) This i stress is just rumour and ive also heard all sorts of other scenarios, whilst speaking to my MC manager today i asked him what he knew of the review to which he answered nothing, and id have to say i belived him, i guess its just a case of wait and see, apparently this is one of the biggest projects RM have ever undertaken


WE are the union

[disheartened]

Rumours are rife down sarf as well......the story goes a huge new Royal depot is to be built on the old Vauxhall plant next to Luton Airport to incorperate Hatfield Dist center and a super mail center,which would see Milton Keynes,Stevenage,Hemel Hempstead & Watford mail centers being axed.The union seem to know naff all about this,the management just give a standard blank look when confronted with the said rumour and shrug their shoulders.

We all know the RM runs on rumours and such stories,but it would be nice if senior management had the balls to either quash such rumours or admit what is happening.

[Lounge Lizard]

That's probably the plan, let everyone think that their Mail Centre might be the one threatened with closure, then they'll all work harder and not go on strike to give it a better chance of not being axed. No, we're not quite that gullable.

[norbert]

That's probably the plan, let everyone think that their Mail Centre might be the one threatened with closure, then they'll all work harder and not go on strike to give it a better chance of not being axed. No, we're not quite that gullable.

but they think we are hence the deliberate idle gossip and vicious rumours .

[bandit650]

I do know that down in sunny Kent they are doing a feisability study on putting 4 MC's into one,we are all taking bets on where they are going to put the new super centre,we know it wont be where they wanted to put it originally so its watch this space down here.

[norbert]

I do know that down in sunny Kent they are doing a feisability study on putting 4 MC's into one,we are all taking bets on where they are going to put the new super centre,we know it wont be where they wanted to put it originally so its watch this space down here.

like everyone knows , the RM plan is TNT style super centres , the previous one was the Parcelfarce hub and spoke one but as you say they aren't necessarily where RM would ideally want them .

I can well believe shutting Oldham , Bolton, Stockport to streamline , Preston has had a deservedly bad reputation for years it's never been much cop ever since the move from West Cliff to Fulwood , p*** poor EP's etc but it's saving grace is it's huge coverage area BB/LA /PR/FY , talk of it being run down but it depends who could take the work off it be it Carlise , Manchester , depends who's got the "magical " mech equipment thatalways works so well LOL

Most of RM's "brain's trust" proposals will no doubt bite RM on the a*** but tell us something new .

[bandit650]

They seem to think that TNT's way of operating is the way forward i have seen this before withRM they put all thier eggs in one basket and when it goes wrong they back peddle fast,EP's might have been bad in places but that is down to poor management skills it is so easy to up the EP you just have to use and manipulate things and bingo you have done it and EP alone is not a good enough excuss to shut down places or open bigger centres,its just another poor excuss for thier lack of fore sight to move with the times,preceeding goverments have used RM as a cash cow for the coffers and now as per norm the staff pay the price.

[norbert]

They seem to think that TNT's way of operating is the way forward i have seen this before withRM they put all thier eggs in one basket and when it goes wrong they back peddle fast,EP's might have been bad in places but that is down to poor management skills it is so easy to up the EP you just have to use and manipulate things and bingo you have done it and EP alone is not a good enough excuss to shut down places or open bigger centres,its just another poor excuss for thier lack of fore sight to move with the times,preceeding goverments have used RM as a cash cow for the coffers and now as per norm the staff pay the price.

You're right , it's easy to make a badly run place suddenly look good , the trend was to send "troubleshooting " managers in , obviously that's Leighton's supermarket culture . Yes you take RM figures with a large sack of salt .

The eggs in one basket always back fires . I've seen one of Alan's Love Children in Action , he seemed to be a better operator , but that's probably due to the standard being so poor in the first place . Saw through him , that's Animal House Management just corruption and clones . He put the fear of god up these poor managers but then the old hands get wiser , bull**** culture like everywhere else; only RM takes things to literal , autocratic extremes .

Very dated style , but it's good to see RM have moved on from the 40's & 60's to the 70's & 80's .

Just look at the snakeoil salesman in charge , he's supposed to be the "personalty " of RM , god help us all, the rot starts at the top.

[bandit650]

They seem to think that TNT's way of operating is the way forward i have seen this before withRM they put all thier eggs in one basket and when it goes wrong they back peddle fast,EP's might have been bad in places but that is down to poor management skills it is so easy to up the EP you just have to use and manipulate things and bingo you have done it and EP alone is not a good enough excuss to shut down places or open bigger centres,its just another poor excuss for thier lack of fore sight to move with the times,preceeding goverments have used RM as a cash cow for the coffers and now as per norm the staff pay the price.

You're right , it's easy to make a badly run place suddenly look good , the trend was to send "troubleshooting " managers in , obviously that's Leighton's supermarket culture . Yes you take RM figures with a large sack of salt .

The eggs in one basket always back fires . I've seen one of Alan's Love Children in Action , he seemed to be a better operator , but that's probably due to the standard being so poor in the first place . Saw through him , that's Animal House Management just corruption and clones . He put the fear of god up these poor managers but then the old hands get wiser , bull**** culture like everywhere else; only RM takes things to literal , autocratic extremes .

Very dated style , but it's good to see RM have moved on from the 40's & 60's to the 70's & 80's .

Just look at the snakeoil salesman in charge , he's supposed to be the "personalty " of RM , god help us all, the rot starts at the top.

You are so right i can remember what a friend of mine said when leighton was at the helm of the supermarket,she told us about the new training the managers were on and how they were taught to keep chimeing the same old lines until they could sing from the same song sheet without looking dynamic management,you should have a look at one of his books on how wonderful i am and guess what im so modest with it thats the great thing about me.It makes you want to puke.

[norbert]

They seem to think that TNT's way of operating is the way forward i have seen this before withRM they put all thier eggs in one basket and when it goes wrong they back peddle fast,EP's might have been bad in places but that is down to poor management skills it is so easy to up the EP you just have to use and manipulate things and bingo you have done it and EP alone is not a good enough excuss to shut down places or open bigger centres,its just another poor excuss for thier lack of fore sight to move with the times,preceeding goverments have used RM as a cash cow for the coffers and now as per norm the staff pay the price.

You're right , it's easy to make a badly run place suddenly look good , the trend was to send "troubleshooting " managers in , obviously that's Leighton's supermarket culture . Yes you take RM figures with a large sack of salt .

The eggs in one basket always back fires . I've seen one of Alan's Love Children in Action , he seemed to be a better operator , but that's probably due to the standard being so poor in the first place . Saw through him , that's Animal House Management just corruption and clones . He put the fear of god up these poor managers but then the old hands get wiser , bull**** culture like everywhere else; only RM takes things to literal , autocratic extremes .

Very dated style , but it's good to see RM have moved on from the 40's & 60's to the 70's & 80's .

Just look at the snakeoil salesman in charge , he's supposed to be the "personalty " of RM , god help us all, the rot starts at the top.

You are so right i can remember what a friend of mine said when leighton was at the helm of the supermarket,she told us about the new training the managers were on and how they were taught to keep chimeing the same old lines until they could sing from the same song sheet without looking dynamic management,you should have a look at one of his books on how wonderful i am and guess what im so modest with it thats the great thing about me.It makes you want to puke.

even one article in a Tory paper said he had a disturbing appetite for self publicity .

There was a time all the screws had to wear black and white . A old mate's dad used to work at Asda and Leighton sent all these personalized coat hangers out with "No jacket required on them " ( Phil Collins album at the time if you like bitter repetitive songs about divorce !) . It was supposed to be this sleeves up image .

I've spoken to a few USDAW reps and even the moderate ones hated him as everything was so American . We had all that American stuff in the early 90's . I've heard that the ASDA managers have to sing the Company song . Some managers were glad to see the back of Leighton . It's very regimented with a lot of neurotic staff that are frightened of their own shadow , never mind the fear culture that Leighton likes .

A lot of the Yank firms make the staff sing the company song , they're all in that crap jobs book , that was a best seller with Crap Towns . They compared the idea with staff in mills being made to sing hymms 100+ years ago.

The RM union bashing agenda with Burslem being the guinea pig is similar to the ASDA "Scrapeaway " idea they had for GMB reps , same plan ; strategic suspensions . The GMB have had ASDA fined a couple of times in Tribunals .ASDA didn't care about how much trouble they caused .

Leighton will want to outsource RM HR to get RM ready for some sort of privatization , from my experience of a ex nationalized industry; Senior & Area managers will be looking towards buyouts and proving how lean , hard and mean they are .Times running out for these managers .

They won't want the CWU p***ing on their parade . It's no coincidence a few Senior /HR managers have been sacked after Burslem , or jumped before they were pushed .

Leighton's just a very good bull****er .

[bandit650]

You have got it in one norbert he is a self publisist and yes what has happened with us has alot of common factors with the asda factor,why he and others think that the american way is soooo good to work with you want to hear my friend that is still stuck at asda after very many years in retail she was with key market first then it was bought out by gateway then asda came in and she said its got worse as its gone on.