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Voluntary redundancy selection

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Boltonian-White
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Voluntary redundancy selection

Post by Boltonian-White »

First post and likely my last on here. Bit sick of seeing people guessing how the VR will work on numerous threads.

With a bit of googling I found this: https://www.acas.org.uk/manage-staff-re ... redundancy

A lot of this makes sense from the preference exercise ( eg. offering alternative employment for those that would move office)

Note: Seniority ( length of service ) is not to be used as this could be age discrimination.

I'm not a human resources expert so won't be answering questions and am not a manager before the accusations start :no no :chuckle

Hopefully this answers a few questions people have been asking. And yes I have applied for VR as I'm too old for this sh*t!
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Post by Acca Dacca »

A lot to that is for compulsory redundancies, not voluntary

There’s nothing stopping seniority being used for VRs I don’t think

The reason that most businesses try and do VRs before compulsory is for this reason - it’s more straightforward process without most of the legal pitfalls and tribunal cases that compulsory redundancy can bring
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Re: Voluntary redundancy selection

Post by redlen »

Acca Dacca wrote:
01 Dec 2022, 17:35
A lot to that is for compulsory redundancies, not voluntary

There’s nothing stopping seniority being used for VRs I don’t think

The reason that most businesses try and do VRs before compulsory is for this reason - it’s more straightforward process without most of the legal pitfalls and tribunal cases that compulsory redundancy can bring
Will agree as seniority is done on length of service, not age or sex, However?

Simon Thompson will probably go down the accepted norm first such as sick/disciplinary record first, and nothing to stop him as he has torn up all the agreements
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Re: Voluntary redundancy selection

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Seniority will cost too much. It will be by location where numbers need to be lost within a budget.
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Re: Voluntary redundancy selection

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Seniority not being used for this they want rid of ft contracts the cheapest way possible
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We were informed last week it was to be done on seniority from management who had been told from them at the top so unless every office is different thats what will happen I guess :neutral:
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Re: Voluntary redundancy selection

Post by P13 »

Boltonian-White wrote:
01 Dec 2022, 17:17
First post and likely my last on here. Bit sick of seeing people guessing how the VR will work on numerous threads.

With a bit of googling I found this: https://www.acas.org.uk/manage-staff-re ... redundancy

A lot of this makes sense from the preference exercise ( eg. offering alternative employment for those that would move office)

Note: Seniority ( length of service ) is not to be used as this could be age discrimination.

I'm not a human resources expert so won't be answering questions and am not a manager before the accusations start :no no :chuckle

Hopefully this answers a few questions people have been asking. And yes I have applied for VR as I'm too old for this sh*t!
That is for compulsory redundancies , if you read the whole thing it also says you should look at VR as an alternative.
Binsey
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Re: Voluntary redundancy selection

Post by Binsey »

Sorry to be blunt…

But anybody who hasn’t put in for VR needs there head examined.

Sure not MTSF but a lot better than what’s going to be offered in future.
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Re: Voluntary redundancy selection

Post by milly »

For people saying that selection for redundancy using seniority will be more expensive have got it wrong.
It is more cost effective to get rid of your most expensive staff first, especially those with most allowances and full 6 week leave entitlement, which will be in general the most senior staff.
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Not a great deal of difference since its only 9 months pay anyway different if it was 2 years thats why they've gone down the seniority route plus far less aggro from staff :neutral:
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Re: Voluntary redundancy selection

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The people they should get rid of first are the ones with decent amount of service 15 plus years in there 30's, ive been there 18 years and I'm 36 I've got 30 years working left, they could pay me off and make the money back on me in a few years by paying someone less in my place,but this is royal mail logic doesn't sit with them
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Re: Voluntary redundancy selection

Post by Postmanphat42069 »

I really hope it's not seniority. Id rather they pay me off than spend 12 months on the sick while I find a new job. Either way, I'm gone soon with my pockets lined.
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Re: Voluntary redundancy selection

Post by Seymour Buts »

milly wrote:
01 Dec 2022, 17:57
For people saying that selection for redundancy using seniority will be more expensive have got it wrong.
It is more cost effective to get rid of your most expensive staff first, especially those with most allowances and full 6 week leave entitlement, which will be in general the most senior staff.
It won't come down to seniority. Their aim is compulsory redundancies so they can get rid of the people they want rid of. The older timers, sickies and slow one's basically.
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Re: Voluntary redundancy selection

Post by norris9 »

Boltonian-White wrote:
01 Dec 2022, 17:17
First post and likely my last on here. Bit sick of seeing people guessing how the VR will work on numerous threads.
Starts a thread saying he's sick of others guessing how VR will work, then goes on to guess himself....

then the whole thread leads to more guesswork from everyone else. lol.


We'll just have to wait and see. Anyone been offered it yet?