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hazzeem025
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Re: Royal Fail!

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FilthyBloke wrote:
21 Dec 2022, 08:22
You only have to look on this forum to see that a big reason for the backlog is the average postman who is now deciding to do a half job.
I tell all my customers that have a query that one of the reasons is that their postie is dragging their heels and leaving mail in the frame despite in normal times finishing hours early!
Is that you Redlen?
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This is the problem with people acting like pack animals when anybody has a different opinion to try and close that debate down. Nothing more than stalinist purges. This is why people can no longer relate to trade unions nationally with die hard marxists from the last century mentality running the show. Suppose it keeps the political officers in a job though?
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Re: Royal Fail!

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redlen wrote:
21 Dec 2022, 12:15
LaggyBand wrote:
21 Dec 2022, 12:07
There’s obviously a problem admitting they are prioritising parcels over letters, else they wouldn’t keep denying it, and yet we all know they ARE doing it, so surely this is an avenue the union’s lawyers should explore?
And how would you substantiate such an allegation with Ofcom in the real world besides harsh language?

Nothing is ever on paper and where it can be possibly substantiated, Royal Mail will simply state temporary operational needs within that delivery unit if a rebuttal was ever needed. Saying one thing and proving it are two different matters.
So you’re saying unless you admit it on paper then you’re in the clear? Bad legal advice bro.
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Re: Royal Fail!

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You ever heard of Hearsay evidence and how courts interpret such evidence?
Hardly bad legal advice. It is irrelevant without something more to back it up

Hearsay is inadmissible, meaning that it is not permitted to go before a jury or magistrates at a trial as evidence to prove a matter, either for the prosecution or the defence
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Re: Royal Fail!

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hazzeem025 wrote:
21 Dec 2022, 12:17
FilthyBloke wrote:
21 Dec 2022, 08:22
You only have to look on this forum to see that a big reason for the backlog is the average postman who is now deciding to do a half job.
I tell all my customers that have a query that one of the reasons is that their postie is dragging their heels and leaving mail in the frame despite in normal times finishing hours early!
Is that you Redlen?
Redlen immediately answers. I mean that's funny, I can't be the only one laughing.
pieoftheday
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Re: Royal Fail!

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redlen wrote:
21 Dec 2022, 12:31
You ever heard of Hearsay evidence and how courts interpret such evidence?
Hardly bad legal advice. It is irrelevant without something more to back it up

Hearsay is inadmissible, meaning that it is not permitted to go before a jury or magistrates at a trial as evidence to prove a matter, either for the prosecution or the defence
How is it hearsay? I've witnessed it like many
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That’s some hearsay when it’s happening nationwide.
redlen
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Then you need to make a thing called a Protected Disclosure if you consider a major criminal act has occurred with the employer.
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redlen wrote:
21 Dec 2022, 12:31
You ever heard of Hearsay evidence and how courts interpret such evidence?
Hardly bad legal advice. It is irrelevant without something more to back it up

Hearsay is inadmissible, meaning that it is not permitted to go before a jury or magistrates at a trial as evidence to prove a matter, either for the prosecution or the defence
It’s not hearsay when it is a whistleblower stating what they have witnessed happening and when numerous posties state they have been told to deliver tracked over letters. That’s why OFCOM have decided to stop scratching their arse and sniffing their fingers, and actually look into it.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: Royal Fail!

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Barnacle wrote:
21 Dec 2022, 13:10
redlen wrote:
21 Dec 2022, 12:31
You ever heard of Hearsay evidence and how courts interpret such evidence?
Hardly bad legal advice. It is irrelevant without something more to back it up

Hearsay is inadmissible, meaning that it is not permitted to go before a jury or magistrates at a trial as evidence to prove a matter, either for the prosecution or the defence
It’s not hearsay when it is a whistleblower stating what they have witnessed happening and when numerous posties state they have been told to deliver tracked over letters. That’s why OFCOM have decided to stop scratching their arse and sniffing their fingers, and actually look into it.
And why do you think in my last comment made reference to a Protected Disclosure? (Whistle Blowing Act)
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Re: Royal Fail!

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FilthyBloke wrote:
21 Dec 2022, 08:22
You only have to look on this forum to see that a big reason for the backlog is the average postman who is now deciding to do a half job.
I tell all my customers that have a query that one of the reasons is that their postie is dragging their heels and leaving mail in the frame despite in normal times finishing hours early!
When under a direct order from management to prioritize tracks first it's difficult to complete both walks that have 3-4 days of mail. And because we are leaving the office later it leaves less time to actually deliver.

Royalmail are attacking us, and it would be better for all of us if we stuck together!
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Re: Royal Fail!

Post by Halfhappy »

Chitchat wrote:
21 Dec 2022, 13:24
FilthyBloke wrote:
21 Dec 2022, 08:22
You only have to look on this forum to see that a big reason for the backlog is the average postman who is now deciding to do a half job.
I tell all my customers that have a query that one of the reasons is that their postie is dragging their heels and leaving mail in the frame despite in normal times finishing hours early!
When under a direct order from management to prioritize tracks first it's difficult to complete both walks that have 3-4 days of mail. And because we are leaving the office later it leaves less time to actually deliver.

Royalmail are attacking us, and it would be better for all of us if we stuck together!
On the whole, I think we are.
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Re: Royal Fail!

Post by LaggyBand »

redlen wrote:
21 Dec 2022, 12:31
You ever heard of Hearsay evidence and how courts interpret such evidence?
Hardly bad legal advice. It is irrelevant without something more to back it up

Hearsay is inadmissible, meaning that it is not permitted to go before a jury or magistrates at a trial as evidence to prove a matter, either for the prosecution or the defence
So if I say Ive seen you open letters at your frame multiple times, I assume you say that’s hearsay then?

Is it still hearsay if three other people state they’ve seen the same?
redlen
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Re: Royal Fail!

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No, if you see people opening letters at a frame then you have a contractual obligation to report the event to a manager. It will then be for that manager to investigate any issues. You might just be a shite stirer out to cause trouble for another employee with a malicious allegation
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Just got a moonpig card I ordered on the 7th December half an hour ago . :nana