Time to make a propper stand come on union

[shaunman]

I know it’s never been done before, but if there’s an agreement of no confrontation for people working, then you could just turn up when you wanted. Royal Mail wouldn’t know who would turn up and when. So for example I would work Tuesday and Friday, my mate is doing well and would just work Mondays, my other mate who has just had a baby needs the money so he will work Monday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. People would still have annual leave, people could go sick if they have covid symptoms or stomach bugs. It would be absolute carnage

Christ alive.

Seriously has this forum been spammed with management trolls?

"Work when you want! Hungover? Don't bother! Want some cash? Pop in and do a few parcels! Do what you like, who cares!"

Yeah, that's how IA works.

My understanding of IA is that the union ask you to withdraw your labour, they don’t force you as that would be illegal, your employer has a legal duty to let you work in a safe environment.

If there was continuous IA then YES you could just work when YOU needed to. Royal Mail wouldn’t be able to plan, mail and parcels would build up.

Some people can afford to last months without pay, some people may need to work some days every week. Just because it’s a different way doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I guess you think like that as you’re a sheep.

I’m not sure how these individual or 2 day strikes are going to stop the continued attack on our terms and conditions and Royal Mail imposing executive action.

[LaggyBand]

If the union call us out on strike every day, that is legal until the 17th February. If people choose to work on any individual day then that is there choice, and as Royal Mail say they should not be intimidated or bullied not to work. I really can’t see the issue?

Ah, I see your point. Not sure it could be "managed" though. Not sure some would cross the picket lines either regardless of circumstances.

In what way does it need to be managed? And if someone is unwilling to cross a picket line, they don’t work. That’s fine.

I want to do this, but I admit I am a little bit whacky.

[Tman]

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I know it’s never been done before, but if there’s an agreement of no confrontation for people working, then you could just turn up when you wanted. Royal Mail wouldn’t know who would turn up and when. So for example I would work Tuesday and Friday, my mate is doing well and would just work Mondays, my other mate who has just had a baby needs the money so he will work Monday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. People would still have annual leave, people could go sick if they have covid symptoms or stomach bugs. It would be absolute carnage

It would be impossible, more like.
RM aren't going to wear that, and would likely instruct offices doing it to close the gates, and then you have a lock out.
That walks right into RM's trap, as then you're into the "sign new contracts or you've sacked yourself" scenario.
You really want to be facing that nightmare?

[priority102]

Exactly, that’s the idea. Just turn up when you need to. I can survive for 12 weeks without any wage. I know some people can do longer, however I know some people struggle without working overtime. Let’s stick together, support each other where we can, and get rid of the simple ones at the top

YOU may be able to survive without wages for 12 weeks, but the overwhelming majority would not. No wonder the workforce is so divided with unbelievably selfish attitudes like that. I know of one postie who has been told by his other half that if he loses any more money, she is leaving him as the strain of losing money on top of their current financial situation can't go on.

As Tman says above, RM would not tolerate that and would probably do as Tman says, lock you out and only let you back in when you have signed new, inferior contracts. Battle won.

The CWU cannot and will not do what you suggest, legally they have to give 2 weeks notice for every bout of industrial action. What you suggest would be classed as unofficial action / breach of contract and depending on the severity would no doubt end in some P45's being handed out.

Pullinger and Ward must talk privately to each other, I bet they read suggestions like above and say to each other "we certainly reluctantly represent some 1st class pr1ck$, don't we?"

[POSTPERSON50]

Exactly, that’s the idea. Just turn up when you need to. I can survive for 12 weeks without any wage. I know some people can do longer, however I know some people struggle without working overtime. Let’s stick together, support each other where we can, and get rid of the simple ones at the top

YOU may be able to survive without wages for 12 weeks, but the overwhelming majority would not. No wonder the workforce is so divided with unbelievably selfish attitudes like that. I know of one postie who has been told by his other half that if he loses any more money, she is leaving him.

As Tman says above, RM would not tolerate that and would probably do as Tman says, lock you out and only let you back in when you have signed new, inferior contracts. Battle won.

The CWU cannot and will not do what you suggest, legally they have to give 2 weeks notice for every bout of industrial action. What you suggest would be classed as unofficial action / breach of contract and depending on the severity would no doubt end in some P45's being handed out.

Pullinger and Ward must talk privately to each other, I bet they read suggestions like above and say to each other "we certainly reluctantly represent some 1st class pr1ck$, don't we?"

'Pullinger and Ward must talk privately to each other, I bet they read suggestions like above and say to each other "we certainly reluctantly represent some 1st class pr1ck$, don't we?"'

Bit strong that, we can't be slagging each other off for having a different opinion.
Times are tough, money is tighter than anyone can remember.. People are suicidal with debt problems.
The majority can lose a days pay here and there and not suffer greatly, but to some that days pay is their lifeblood.

Pullinger and Ward have to take into account that asking the entire workforce to lose pay for month after month is not to be taken for granted. There is no point winning a long battle if it risks lives.

For me the only way we can win is to seek to resolve this quickly, the current plan of attack isn't enough.

And I'd like to see hourly updates and encouraging messages from my Union throughout this.

[weara]

I totally agree
We have striked 3 days and nothing happened
The company stands in the same position , they are not talking with the union unless we will accept the changes they want.
1 or 2 days of strike will not push the company at all we have to strike for a week at least
In 3 weeks time we have lost al300 hundreds pounds for what ???
For nothing
The union has to stand up and fight for us we have given them our vote..

[Dexydog]

Something's up.
Share price has tanked 10% today
Watch this space guys and girls...

[Dexydog]

DP

[aiden01]

I know it’s never been done before, but if there’s an agreement of no confrontation for people working, then you could just turn up when you wanted. Royal Mail wouldn’t know who would turn up and when. So for example I would work Tuesday and Friday, my mate is doing well and would just work Mondays, my other mate who has just had a baby needs the money so he will work Monday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. People would still have annual leave, people could go sick if they have covid symptoms or stomach bugs. It would be absolute carnage

Christ alive.

Seriously has this forum been spammed with management trolls?

"Work when you want! Hungover? Don't bother! Want some cash? Pop in and do a few parcels! Do what you like, who cares!"

Yeah, that's how IA works.

My understanding of IA is that the union ask you to withdraw your labour, they don’t force you as that would be illegal, your employer has a legal duty to let you work in a safe environment.

If there was continuous IA then YES you could just work when YOU needed to. Royal Mail wouldn’t be able to plan, mail and parcels would build up.

Some people can afford to last months without pay, some people may need to work some days every week. Just because it’s a different way doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I guess you think like that as you’re a sheep.

I’m not sure how these individual or 2 day strikes are going to stop the continued attack on our terms and conditions and Royal Mail imposing executive action.

What planet are you on ffs.now added to foe list.

[themaze]

The risk for the union is as more and more offices have executive action forced upon them , what's the point of the union ?

When push comes to shove if they can't or don't know how to win the fight then royal mail have got what they want and any future disputes they just repeat the process.

We are the Union mate. It's not about "The CWU Vs Royal Mail". It's about our livelihoods. Our ability to support our families, and the quality of our home lives.

We have to fight because our quality of life will be destroyed by our employer if we don't. There's no choice, apart from choosing your side.

Like i said if your office has these changes in by executive action what exactly are you fighting for ?

The very things your fighting against will already be in place.

[Woody Guthrie]

Like i said if your office has these changes in by executive action what exactly are you fighting for ?

An office has the ability to use the IR Framework and if necessary use rule 13 to ballot its members for local industrial action.

If any office just sits on its hands at any time and accepts these changes it doesn't really matter what HQ does.

[redrobbo]

It really is worrying because up to present the 3days IA don't seem to have had any effect it's certainly the case in my office people are starting work 1-2hrs before start time taking extra rounds working on Sunday working days off working some of their annual leave some are earning more money then ever even with the strike day deductions maybe the 2days IA to come will change things but I feel we are going to lose this strike unless the cwu come up with a better plan of action because I do feel for the future of the workforce we all deserve better we've earned it up the ante cwu

[postieblueshirt]

It really is worrying because up to present the 3days IA don't seem to have had any effect it's certainly the case in my office people are starting work 1-2hrs before start time taking extra rounds working on Sunday working days off working some of their annual leave some are earning more money then ever even with the strike day deductions maybe the 2days IA to come will change things but I feel we are going to lose this strike unless the cwu come up with a better plan of action because I do feel for the future of the workforce we all deserve better we've earned it up the ante cwu

Think some offices need to get a grip we have none of that going on and today was the first day where we had just today's stuff to deliver.can you not have a bit of sense and all quietly agree to work your hours nothing more.

[shaunman]

Exactly, that’s the idea. Just turn up when you need to. I can survive for 12 weeks without any wage. I know some people can do longer, however I know some people struggle without working overtime. Let’s stick together, support each other where we can, and get rid of the simple ones at the top

YOU may be able to survive without wages for 12 weeks, but the overwhelming majority would not. No wonder the workforce is so divided with unbelievably selfish attitudes like that. I know of one postie who has been told by his other half that if he loses any more money, she is leaving him as the strain of losing money on top of their current financial situation can't go on.

As Tman says above, RM would not tolerate that and would probably do as Tman says, lock you out and only let you back in when you have signed new, inferior contracts. Battle won.

The CWU cannot and will not do what you suggest, legally they have to give 2 weeks notice for every bout of industrial action. What you suggest would be classed as unofficial action / breach of contract and depending on the severity would no doubt end in some P45's being handed out.

Pullinger and Ward must talk privately to each other, I bet they read suggestions like above and say to each other "we certainly reluctantly represent some 1st class pr1ck$, don't we?"

Firstly, you clearly can’t read, I said I can survive for 12 weeks, some can survive for longer, however some people can’t survive without overtime! Therefore these people would need to work.

Secondly, if someone’s wife is leaving them because of the strikes then there marriage is probably in trouble anyway. I’ve never known anyone become wealthier by divorcing. I’m going to believe that you’ve made this story up.

Thirdly, if Royal Mail do lock us out then there wouldn’t be a company and I very much doubt they would be legally allowed to do that.

The cwu could give 2 weeks notice for strike action until Xmas, that wouldn’t be illegal. So this point is also not valid. I am saying that to get anywhere in this dispute we are going to have to do a hell of a lot more than we are doing. Maybe make some suggestions yourself.

Your final point is very disrespectful. More than happy to have points criticised, however if you don’t read the post correctly then we will get nowhere. Also your arguments are flawed.

I would imagine I will be leaving Royal Mail after 20 years service because I won’t put up with inferior terms and my time is worth more than they are willing to pay.

Have a nice weekend and just take your time reading and replying in future

[kazardaimenu]

We should announce a week of IA from the day after Black Friday as a minimum. Gives everyone time to make their provisions and will hit the company right at the peak sending the entire festive period into chaos.