We shouldn't need to top up our wages with overtime, pay a decent rate of pay. At the moment in our office there has been no pro overtime since Christmas and I think that goes for many areas.
What do we do with a reduction in the working week and a small pay rise? go and get a second job
What do you mean by no pro overtime? There are at least half a dozen staff in our section that get early IPS and some of them even get a bit of ghost overtime on top. Admittedly, our manager seems reluctant to pay delivery excess at times but there is no overtime ban per se.
I guess all offices are different but RM as a business has always relied on overtime. Somehow I don't think that this will change.
Protracted Overtime., At the moment Iif you can't complete in your hours you bring it back, you can't leave it in the frame as that's a failure so you know you can't complete but still have to tie it up take it out and then put it back in the following day.
Absolutely no early IPS or ghost and a very long list of people willing to cover any scraps going, believe me this is the way RM is going,, do not expect the overtime to continue even if your office is understaffed, your DOM may be willing to pay it but the people watching the office hours will shut it down. We had it good for a long time
We shouldn't need to top up our wages with overtime, pay a decent rate of pay. At the moment in our office there has been no pro overtime since Christmas and I think that goes for many areas.
What do we do with a reduction in the working week and a small pay rise? go and get a second job
What do you mean by no pro overtime? There are at least half a dozen staff in our section that get early IPS and some of them even get a bit of ghost overtime on top. Admittedly, our manager seems reluctant to pay delivery excess at times but there is no overtime ban per se.
I guess all offices are different but RM as a business has always relied on overtime. Somehow I don't think that this will change.
Protracted Overtime., At the moment Iif you can't complete in your hours you bring it back, you can't leave it in the frame as that's a failure so you know you can't complete but still have to tie it up take it out and then put it back in the following day.
Absolutely no early IPS or ghost and a very long list of people willing to cover any scraps going, believe me this is the way RM is going,, do not expect the overtime to continue even if your office is understaffed, your DOM may be willing to pay it but the people watching the office hours will shut it down. We had it good for a long time
No idea in del but since i started 30 years ago every piece of new equipment that came in would destroy ot.now there is more than anybody wants hence so much agency staff.an they are paid a lot more than a opg.if dk is going to drive up qos surely he needs to up the ante on ot by a fair bit at least time an a 1/4.
We shouldn't need to top up our wages with overtime, pay a decent rate of pay. At the moment in our office there has been no pro overtime since Christmas and I think that goes for many areas.
What do we do with a reduction in the working week and a small pay rise? go and get a second job
What do you mean by no pro overtime? There are at least half a dozen staff in our section that get early IPS and some of them even get a bit of ghost overtime on top. Admittedly, our manager seems reluctant to pay delivery excess at times but there is no overtime ban per se.
I guess all offices are different but RM as a business has always relied on overtime. Somehow I don't think that this will change.
Protracted Overtime., At the moment Iif you can't complete in your hours you bring it back, you can't leave it in the frame as that's a failure so you know you can't complete but still have to tie it up take it out and then put it back in the following day.
Absolutely no early IPS or ghost and a very long list of people willing to cover any scraps going, believe me this is the way RM is going,, do not expect the overtime to continue even if your office is understaffed, your DOM may be willing to pay it but the people watching the office hours will shut it down. We had it good for a long time
When they banned OT in our office a few months back (with the exception of very limited people coming in 30 mins early for IPS/Packets a lot of people only thought it would last a couple of weeks. Months down the line there is still no OT and that includes people that want to complete their duty.
It doesn't bother me as I hate OT anyway but I feel sorry for those that rely on the extra £40-50 a week
Minimum wage beckons, why does any company in the UK have to pay decent wages when there are thousands of cheap workers crossing the Channel every year.
never mind 'any company' - look closer to home - most new recruits in our d.o are recent immigrants - they work hard for not much and grudgingly accept the 2-tier wage and conditions structure
Minimum wage beckons, why does any company in the UK have to pay decent wages when there are thousands of cheap workers crossing the Channel every year.
never mind 'any company' - look closer to home - most new recruits in our d.o are recent immigrants - they work hard for not much and grudgingly accept the 2-tier wage and conditions structure
This is what happens when there's an oversupply of Labour.
Workers have no leverage to negotiate decent payrises.
Protracted Overtime., At the moment if you can't complete in your hours you bring it back, you can't leave it in the frame as that's a failure so you know you can't complete but still have to tie it up take it out and then put it back in the following day.
Absolutely no early IPS or ghost and a very long list of people willing to cover any scraps going, believe me this is the way RM is going,, do not expect the overtime to continue even if your office is understaffed, your DOM may be willing to pay it but the people watching the office hours will shut it down. We had it good for a long time
It's bonkers taking work out with you with the intention of bringing it back because you are then spending even more time indoors putting it all back in again! This is partly psychological as managers know that posties want to complete and don't want the hassle and grief that comes attached with the overrunning procedure and partly perhaps so they can claim that it hasn't failed.
I don't doubt that RM are constantly looking to reduce overtime and that things will change in future. There will be less of us out on delivery but deliveries will still need to be covered and given the choice between using the agency and regular staff to do overtime; I suspect that the business will look to whatever is most effective.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
We shouldn't need to top up our wages with overtime, pay a decent rate of pay. At the moment in our office there has been no pro overtime since Christmas and I think that goes for many areas.
What do we do with a reduction in the working week and a small pay rise? go and get a second job
What do you mean by no pro overtime? There are at least half a dozen staff in our section that get early IPS and some of them even get a bit of ghost overtime on top. Admittedly, our manager seems reluctant to pay delivery excess at times but there is no overtime ban per se.
I guess all offices are different but RM as a business has always relied on overtime. Somehow I don't think that this will change.
Protracted Overtime., At the moment Iif you can't complete in your hours you bring it back, you can't leave it in the frame as that's a failure so you know you can't complete but still have to tie it up take it out and then put it back in the following day.
Absolutely no early IPS or ghost and a very long list of people willing to cover any scraps going, believe me this is the way RM is going,, do not expect the overtime to continue even if your office is understaffed, your DOM may be willing to pay it but the people watching the office hours will shut it down. We had it good for a long time
When they banned OT in our office a few months back (with the exception of very limited people coming in 30 mins early for IPS/Packets a lot of people only thought it would last a couple of weeks. Months down the line there is still no OT and that includes people that want to complete their duty.
It doesn't bother me as I hate OT anyway but I feel sorry for those that rely on the extra £40-50 a week
We were given the impression it was end of the financial year, but theyve kept it up. Leads me to think this is the new culture now. Lets wait until xmas when they expect you to stay out 3 hours and people say nah, im good thanks
Minimum wage beckons, why does any company in the UK have to pay decent wages when there are thousands of cheap workers crossing the Channel every year.
never mind 'any company' - look closer to home - most new recruits in our d.o are recent immigrants - they work hard for not much and grudgingly accept the 2-tier wage and conditions structure
This is what happens when there's an oversupply of Labour.
Workers have no leverage to negotiate decent payrises.
We're on the same page - which is why immigration has always been welcomed by the Tories > helps the big business associates and patrons and by Labour because it's assumed new arrivals will increase their electoral base.
Minimum wage beckons, why does any company in the UK have to pay decent wages when there are thousands of cheap workers crossing the Channel every year.
never mind 'any company' - look closer to home - most new recruits in our d.o are recent immigrants - they work hard for not much and grudgingly accept the 2-tier wage and conditions structure
Perfect for large gig economy companies like RM,Amazon etc
In fact it is their business model and quite deliberate - high staff turnover to keep wages & benefits as low as they legally can.
They do this because there will always be people to take the job
We shouldn't need to top up our wages with overtime, pay a decent rate of pay. At the moment in our office there has been no pro overtime since Christmas and I think that goes for many areas.
What do we do with a reduction in the working week and a small pay rise? go and get a second job
What do you mean by no pro overtime? There are at least half a dozen staff in our section that get early IPS and some of them even get a bit of ghost overtime on top. Admittedly, our manager seems reluctant to pay delivery excess at times but there is no overtime ban per se.
I guess all offices are different but RM as a business has always relied on overtime. Somehow I don't think that this will change.
Protracted Overtime., At the moment Iif you can't complete in your hours you bring it back, you can't leave it in the frame as that's a failure so you know you can't complete but still have to tie it up take it out and then put it back in the following day.
Absolutely no early IPS or ghost and a very long list of people willing to cover any scraps going, believe me this is the way RM is going,, do not expect the overtime to continue even if your office is understaffed, your DOM may be willing to pay it but the people watching the office hours will shut it down. We had it good for a long time
When they banned OT in our office a few months back (with the exception of very limited people coming in 30 mins early for IPS/Packets a lot of people only thought it would last a couple of weeks. Months down the line there is still no OT and that includes people that want to complete their duty.
It doesn't bother me as I hate OT anyway but I feel sorry for those that rely on the extra £40-50 a week
We were given the impression it was end of the financial year, but theyve kept it up. Leads me to think this is the new culture now. Lets wait until xmas when they expect you to stay out 3 hours and people say nah, im good thanks
Unfortunately people crumble which is annoying. The only time I want to work my day off is just before a holiday which is always nice to have that bit extra in the pay packet but I got knocked back to do my day out the last two times I've asked.
When they end up being desperate for bodies and OT is back to being relaxed they won't get a minute extra out of me. I just hope people follow suit.
We shouldn't need to top up our wages with overtime, pay a decent rate of pay. At the moment in our office there has been no pro overtime since Christmas and I think that goes for many areas.
What do we do with a reduction in the working week and a small pay rise? go and get a second job
What do you mean by no pro overtime? There are at least half a dozen staff in our section that get early IPS and some of them even get a bit of ghost overtime on top. Admittedly, our manager seems reluctant to pay delivery excess at times but there is no overtime ban per se.
I guess all offices are different but RM as a business has always relied on overtime. Somehow I don't think that this will change.
Protracted Overtime., At the moment Iif you can't complete in your hours you bring it back, you can't leave it in the frame as that's a failure so you know you can't complete but still have to tie it up take it out and then put it back in the following day.
Absolutely no early IPS or ghost and a very long list of people willing to cover any scraps going, believe me this is the way RM is going,, do not expect the overtime to continue even if your office is understaffed, your DOM may be willing to pay it but the people watching the office hours will shut it down. We had it good for a long time
When they banned OT in our office a few months back (with the exception of very limited people coming in 30 mins early for IPS/Packets a lot of people only thought it would last a couple of weeks. Months down the line there is still no OT and that includes people that want to complete their duty.
It doesn't bother me as I hate OT anyway but I feel sorry for those that rely on the extra £40-50 a week
We were given the impression it was end of the financial year, but theyve kept it up. Leads me to think this is the new culture now. Lets wait until xmas when they expect you to stay out 3 hours and people say nah, im good thanks
Unfortunately people crumble which is annoying. The only time I want to work my day off is just before a holiday which is always nice to have that bit extra in the pay packet but I got knocked back to do my day out the last two times I've asked.
When they end up being desperate for bodies and OT is back to being relaxed they won't get a minute extra out of me. I just hope people follow suit.
Pay back time at Xmas - don’t work OT - but if you need the extra money screw them for every penny
Xmas will be interesting but it should get cleared by the end of Jan… if these changes come in then offices will never truly be clear again and overtime will be off the table.
Minimum wage beckons, why does any company in the UK have to pay decent wages when there are thousands of cheap workers crossing the Channel every year.
They are either illegal or they arent make your mind up
They won't be going back anytime soon, no doubt at some point they'll be eligible to join the Labour market.
I believe some them already work illegally anyway.
I'm merely pointing out that the Labour market is the same as any other market.
It's unrealistic to expect decent wages when there's an oversupply of Labour.
Also employers can't compete with the Government, who can pay people more to sit at home doing nothing.
Ahh I see there are too many workers and also too many people not working
Wait a minute...
The old ''coming over here to take our jobs' whilst also ''coming over here to not work a day in their life and claim our tax money as benefits''
Seems you want people to work....just as long as they are the right kind of person or dare I say it, colour.
A whole bunch arrested today probably wanting to blow some innocent kids to smithereens because someone religious argument over thousands of years thousands of miles away. I'm not sure some are here to work but there you go. Hope its not your kids.
Minimum wage beckons, why does any company in the UK have to pay decent wages when there are thousands of cheap workers crossing the Channel every year.
never mind 'any company' - look closer to home - most new recruits in our d.o are recent immigrants - they work hard for not much and grudgingly accept the 2-tier wage and conditions structure
This is what happens when there's an oversupply of Labour.
Workers have no leverage to negotiate decent payrises.
(Politely asking) is there actually an oversupply of labour in this country? What are you basing this on?
Minimum wage beckons, why does any company in the UK have to pay decent wages when there are thousands of cheap workers crossing the Channel every year.
never mind 'any company' - look closer to home - most new recruits in our d.o are recent immigrants - they work hard for not much and grudgingly accept the 2-tier wage and conditions structure
This is what happens when there's an oversupply of Labour.
Workers have no leverage to negotiate decent payrises.
(Politely asking) is there actually an oversupply of labour in this country? What are you basing this on?
Our wages are falling massively in real terms.
Employers can pay low wages because there's a large pool of Labour to draw on.
If employers were desperate for workers they would have to compete with other employers by raising wages.
I'm sure the vast majority of us could be replaced within a couple of weeks of leaving Royal Mail.
