privatisation payoffs..

[pants123]

i've worked for ROYAL MAIL for 20 years,,, and i was wondering when ROYAL MAIL gets privatised,, will they keep me employed under the current terms and conditions agreed with the union, and be on the same pay,,, or will the NEW OWNER just put me on a new terms and condition with lower pay.. IS THIS LEGAL TO DO SO..
also will it be the same senario as BT,, pay off current staff to leave and then employ cheaper labour..
I fear for the future,, as many of my colleagues also do..
any advice would be gratefully appriciated..

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Anyone interested in this would need to research TUPE to get a full understanding. Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Emplyment) http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file20761.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

However broadly speaking they cant make changes to out terms and conditions on transfer without agreement from us. Pensions are a bit more complicated and I would hope that the CWU would advise us on the liklehood and legality of any changes there, and of course on the whole transfer as well.

[pants123]

Anyone interested in this would need to research TUPE to get a full understanding. Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Emplyment) http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file20761.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

However broadly speaking they cant make changes to out terms and conditions on transfer without agreement from us. Pensions are a bit more complicated and I would hope that the CWU would advise us on the liklehood and legality of any changes there, and of course on the whole transfer as well.

thanks for that..

[fishtank]

Funnily enough i just had an email from Carolyn Jones...

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[TrueBlueTerrier]

I must be important - I got 2 of the same email from here as well

[flaminmoses]

if we wee to go down the provatisation route then surely one thing the union would insist on is to keep the same contracts.......otherwise there would defo be a strike.

that would harm the selling process.

[cyclemech1]

I've been here before. The new company offers a lump sum (£2000 in the case of London Buses) to employees to alter their terms and conditions.

Most employees vote to take the lump sum (short sightedness) and thats it, you are on vastly inferior wages, sick pay etc.

I saw my weekly wage almost halve on some weeks (it depended on which shift you were on) and the same people that had voted it in were moaning about it within a month!

[pokos27]

i dont think you will get 6 months full pay for being sick, more casuals.

[flaminmoses]

i dont think you will get 6 months full pay for being sick, more casuals.

er i think you would if you had a work related injury.
providing you didn't accept the new terms with the sweetner.

[blackadder]

my best guess is that we get a lump sum and move to another contract with whoever that be. terms and conditions will ob be diferent as will pension and hours. the job u lovingly wake up to aint gona be around much longer

[R@YAL F@IL]

I am surprised all posties are not on monthly salary pay by now

[stephen500]

"That would involve us technically dismissing all our staff and re-engaging them on new terms,"
Chief Executive Kim Ryley, Shropshire county council
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sh ... e-13765258

[R@YAL F@IL]

"That would involve us technically dismissing all our staff and re-engaging them on new terms,"
Chief Executive Kim Ryley, Shropshire county council
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sh ... e-13765258

Not exactly as you would be paid the same amount if paid weekly or monthly, this happened to myself at a previous employer and it saves the employer money. The link you displayed is for something different from what I am suggesting.

[Darren Bent]

How likely this will happens.

Will they offer a huge bribe to accept new deals. Are they allow to sack everyone and re hire people in their terms

[Sharkeyes]

Didn't TNT sack all the posties in Holland because they went on a 'illegal' strike so they were left to the mercy of the wolves, only to be ri-instated the following week as PART TIMERS!. If there is no EU to protect us which is disputable in any case, then what ever law protects our conditions in the UK, there will be some smart arse lawyer who will find a way around it.
My bet is that the new owner will offer a cash bribe to sell not only ALL of our PAY and CONDITIONS, but also as with GCHQ, they may even get you to either sell YOUR UNION RIGHTS or sign a NO STRIKE AGREEMENT. :vcfo :dcfo :ncfo