Equalization of the terms of the new contract and the old one

[OikOik]

Don't know about other offices, but these new contracts like someone said get paid a better overtime rate I believe, hardly any learn different walks, fail to work efficiently or lack of effort (mix of poor training and the individuals) , and none learn any sorting and just put their own jobs out before sorters have even finished. So it's not all unfair tbh, id say the only unfair thing from what I am seeing is the paid breaks tbh. Equal pay for equal workload, more experienced staff appear to be doing a hell of a lot more sorting before even touching the duties. Then most try to clear on top.

New staff should get moved around more than old staff as they should act as a reserve when first joining. If not, it is a manager problem.

[SpacePhoenix]

There’s 450 staff at our DO and thank fcuk only a few are dinosaurs like you

That's probably double the number of staff that we have across all shifts combined at our MC.

[Judgee]

Any jobs going in your office? Sounds bliss for us newbies…

I’m bounced all over the shop as day off cover, double packets here there and every where and only ever had three days consecutively on a walk. I cover rurals, afternoons and help with sorting + LAT’s.

Newbies have always been bounced all over the place that's your job. Then in time you get a walk happy days. We've all been there!

[Woody84]

Any jobs going in your office? Sounds bliss for us newbies…

I’m bounced all over the shop as day off cover, double packets here there and every where and only ever had three days consecutively on a walk. I cover rurals, afternoons and help with sorting + LAT’s.

Newbies have always been bounced all over the place that's your job. Then in time you get a walk happy days. We've all been there!

Problem there is we won’t get equalisation on pay etc when we land on a walk. That’s my point.

Some of us are getting the raw end but the only ‘improvement’ is we may land on a walk we’re happy with.

[TooManyLoops]

Lolol thank fcuk most legacies ain’t like you - you are, of course a proper postman while we DPRs are just unskilled drivers who should know our place
There’s 450 staff at our DO and thank fcuk only a few are dinosaurs like you

Yeah "lol"

Funny how it's new drivers that are the whiney f***s lately. All very entitled too

450 staff? Yeah, sure

[TooManyLoops]

Roman and Whippy, you’re both spot on. I’m sorry your true comments have been rubbished and poo-pooed by the usual culprits, who immediately accuse you of being a troll.

They are griping about having to fuel a van, or park it. What does this have to do with old and new contracts?

Our DO is 90% shared duties, the walker loops are longer than the driver, who does larger (than a shoebox) packets and larger (than a shoebox) collections

Singleton duties (which I am) have to do both what the walker and driver of a paired duty do

Usual suspect? I hardly post in here!

The OP is whining about being a driver, maybe they should do the easier walking part then

Every depot is different. I’m glad to hear that in yours drivers don’t complain, because in ours there have already been more than a few disputes. Many people have left – one long-serving employee even said that in 30 years he’s never seen so many resignations.

I mentioned things like checking and fuelling the van as “small bricks” – individually they don’t seem like much, but they add up, take time, and increase stress.

In our depot, there are no clearly separate rounds for walkers and drivers. Drivers are moved around everywhere, and on top of that we also take the large parcels.

Let me give you an example: a walker and I may cover a similar route with a similar number of parcels, except he doesn’t take the large ones. Meanwhile, I carry letters plus 30–50% more parcels – with the same amount of time to finish the round. While most people keep their regular route, we drivers are constantly shifted around to clear backlogs and support others wherever needed. Oversized deliveries before 1 p.m., large items to collect – it’s impossible to just clear a street in one loop, because we also have to keep breaking off for big parcels.

That is bad management in your DO. Nothing to do with old and new contracts

If you find having to fuel a van stressful, you need to come off driving

How is anything you've said anything to do with new and old contracts? Do old contracts at your DO not have to fuel vans, park them up, do large packets, deliver D2Ds, deliver 1pmers, deliver mail? Sounds like we all need a transfer to this slice of paradise. Is it a retirement home for old contract posties?

[Hitcher]

Let me give you an example: a walker and I may cover a similar route with a similar number of parcels, except he doesn’t take the large ones.

Why not?

If you both finish your loops at the same time then you can drive around while he jumps out and delivers them.

[Jonathan Alsatian]

Briefly returning to the topic in the thread title. Several people have said the first step will be paid breaks. However someone a while back did the maths, worked out the cost to the business of each step towards equalisation. They figured that increasing the hourly rate will actually cost the business less than giving paid breaks. Is it not likely the company will choose do do the cheapest step first and level up the hourly rate this month? Was there any mumblings from Mr Ward and co that indicated paid breaks are the first step? I'm not sure where this information came from

[ted_e_bear]

Briefly returning to the topic in the thread title. Several people have said the first step will be paid breaks. However someone a while back did the maths, worked out the cost to the business of each step towards equalisation. They figured that increasing the hourly rate will actually cost the business less than giving paid breaks. Is it not likely the company will choose do do the cheapest step first and level up the hourly rate this month? Was there any mumblings from Mr Ward and co that indicated paid breaks are the first step? I'm not sure where this information came from

I'm not convinced it'll be paid breaks either I'd have thought they'd be more likely to want to get rid of them for everyone, but who knows, mind you at our place most of the people that get them don't stop working anyway.

[Roman88]

Roman and Whippy, you’re both spot on. I’m sorry your true comments have been rubbished and poo-pooed by the usual culprits, who immediately accuse you of being a troll.

They are griping about having to fuel a van, or park it. What does this have to do with old and new contracts?

Our DO is 90% shared duties, the walker loops are longer than the driver, who does larger (than a shoebox) packets and larger (than a shoebox) collections

Singleton duties (which I am) have to do both what the walker and driver of a paired duty do

Usual suspect? I hardly post in here!

The OP is whining about being a driver, maybe they should do the easier walking part then

Every depot is different. I’m glad to hear that in yours drivers don’t complain, because in ours there have already been more than a few disputes. Many people have left – one long-serving employee even said that in 30 years he’s never seen so many resignations.

I mentioned things like checking and fuelling the van as “small bricks” – individually they don’t seem like much, but they add up, take time, and increase stress.

In our depot, there are no clearly separate rounds for walkers and drivers. Drivers are moved around everywhere, and on top of that we also take the large parcels.

Let me give you an example: a walker and I may cover a similar route with a similar number of parcels, except he doesn’t take the large ones. Meanwhile, I carry letters plus 30–50% more parcels – with the same amount of time to finish the round. While most people keep their regular route, we drivers are constantly shifted around to clear backlogs and support others wherever needed. Oversized deliveries before 1 p.m., large items to collect – it’s impossible to just clear a street in one loop, because we also have to keep breaking off for big parcels.

That is bad management in your DO. Nothing to do with old and new contracts

If you find having to fuel a van stressful, you need to come off driving

How is anything you've said anything to do with new and old contracts? Do old contracts at your DO not have to fuel vans, park them up, do large packets, deliver D2Ds, deliver 1pmers, deliver mail? Sounds like we all need a transfer to this slice of paradise. Is it a retirement home for old contract posties?

Okay, because I think many people don’t quite understand what I mean.

The truth is, new staff have worse conditions, with the highest workload. Of course, there are drivers on old contracts and walkers who ride along with drivers – they do the same work as the new staff, but under better terms.

Then there’s another group, who also have better contracts, but take 30–50% fewer parcels and even finish an hour earlier. Where is the fairness in that?

In our depot, both drivers and some walkers are really overburdened. Many have already quit. For us, there’s never a lighter day – there’s always some walk with several days’ worth of letters waiting, or someone absent. The example is being told to clear letters on a Sunday.

[Thommo44]

450 staff? Yeah, sure
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Must be a trial office

[Scointer]

Briefly returning to the topic in the thread title. Several people have said the first step will be paid breaks. However someone a while back did the maths, worked out the cost to the business of each step towards equalisation. They figured that increasing the hourly rate will actually cost the business less than giving paid breaks. Is it not likely the company will choose do do the cheapest step first and level up the hourly rate this month? Was there any mumblings from Mr Ward and co that indicated paid breaks are the first step? I'm not sure where this information came from

So it all depends how you look at it…

Taking a full time new starter (I know a lot are part time but you will see my reasoning on why I use a full timer).

A reduction in hours from 40 to 37 means the business is losing 3 hours working time a week.
Paid meal breaks means (5 x 40 minutes) the business loses 3 hours 20 minutes a week.
Therefore you can see paid meal breaks costs the business more than hour reduction BUT paid meal breaks do not add anything to the physical wage bill for anyone because everyone’s take home pay stays the same, whereas reduction in hours doesn’t add anything to full time take home pay but will physically add cost to the wage bill for part time people.

So it all depends how people look at it. You have to weigh up how much less work will be done a day if people start early/leave early/ have a break during the day to what they do now to actually paying people more in their wage packet. For me I think paid breaks will be the first step as it won’t physically cost any more in outgoings and I think the amount of work done won’t change much either in reality.

[thefox]

Let me give you an example: a walker and I may cover a similar route with a similar number of parcels, except he doesn’t take the large ones.

Why not?

If you both finish your loops at the same time then you can drive around while he jumps out and delivers them.

Drive around while you both deliver them I think you mean.

[matrix123]

Don't know about other offices, but these new contracts like someone said get paid a better overtime rate I believe, hardly any learn different walks, fail to work efficiently or lack of effort (mix of poor training and the individuals) , and none learn any sorting and just put their own jobs out before sorters have even finished. So it's not all unfair tbh, id say the only unfair thing from what I am seeing is the paid breaks tbh. Equal pay for equal workload, more experienced staff appear to be doing a hell of a lot more sorting before even touching the duties. Then most try to clear on top.

Any jobs going in your office? Sounds bliss for us newbies…

I’m bounced all over the shop as day off cover, double packets here there and every where and only ever had three days consecutively on a walk. I cover rurals, afternoons and help with sorting + LAT’s.

Yeah as most posties have had to do...then finally get their own round after learning stuff and putting the graft in. Basic

[goldy2007]

Don't know about other offices, but these new contracts like someone said get paid a better overtime rate I believe, hardly any learn different walks, fail to work efficiently or lack of effort (mix of poor training and the individuals) , and none learn any sorting and just put their own jobs out before sorters have even finished. So it's not all unfair tbh, id say the only unfair thing from what I am seeing is the paid breaks tbh. Equal pay for equal workload, more experienced staff appear to be doing a hell of a lot more sorting before even touching the duties. Then most try to clear on top.

Any jobs going in your office? Sounds bliss for us newbies…

I’m bounced all over the shop as day off cover, double packets here there and every where and only ever had three days consecutively on a walk. I cover rurals, afternoons and help with sorting + LAT’s.

Yeah as most posties have had to do...then finally get their own round after learning stuff and putting the graft in. Basic

Seniority on rounds is there for a reason

everyone is a spare to start with

Learn them and wait your turn for a duty to become free

I was a spare man for my first 6 years

Today some new starters think they should have their own round from the off