It may not be unusual, but it’s a damning indictment of the current state of the world that anybody would deem it reasonable. If overtime is required, then it’s not overtime. It’s time in which companies have failed to source adequate labour.2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 15:37You do all realise in the real world that overtime is compulsory in most companies if they require it, its not an unusual or unreasonable request in 2023.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 14:26They're almost there.Barnacle wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 13:54It’s as if they are purposefully ruining a job we all quite enjoyed, in order to make us leave.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 04:59Is it any wonder, most of us don't want to work for this massively shitty company anymore?
Nobody in their right mind would want to stay with this verminous company, if they didn't have to.
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taurus88
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Re: Stay out and complete?
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Hyrrokkin
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Re: Stay out and complete?
Ahhh the fabled 'real world' i have heard so much about2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 15:37You do all realise in the real world that overtime is compulsory in most companies if they require it, its not an unusual or unreasonable request in 2023.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 14:26They're almost there.Barnacle wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 13:54It’s as if they are purposefully ruining a job we all quite enjoyed, in order to make us leave.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 04:59Is it any wonder, most of us don't want to work for this massively shitty company anymore?
Nobody in their right mind would want to stay with this verminous company, if they didn't have to.
Usually from self rightous 'i know better than you' types
I will need to remember that when i go out into the 'real world'
I must be working in a Matrix hologram then
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DirtyHarry
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Re: Stay out and complete?
I don't care. I work for Royal Mail, and I have never signed up to coerced overtime, so management can screw themselves.2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 15:37You do all realise in the real world that overtime is compulsory in most companies if they require it, its not an unusual or unreasonable request in 2023.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 14:26They're almost there.Barnacle wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 13:54It’s as if they are purposefully ruining a job we all quite enjoyed, in order to make us leave.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 04:59Is it any wonder, most of us don't want to work for this massively shitty company anymore?
Nobody in their right mind would want to stay with this verminous company, if they didn't have to.
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2yearpostie
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Re: Stay out and complete?
%Hyrrokkin wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 16:30Ahhh the fabled 'real world' i have heard so much about2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 15:37You do all realise in the real world that overtime is compulsory in most companies if they require it, its not an unusual or unreasonable request in 2023.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 14:26They're almost there.Barnacle wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 13:54It’s as if they are purposefully ruining a job we all quite enjoyed, in order to make us leave.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 04:59Is it any wonder, most of us don't want to work for this massively shitty company anymore?
Nobody in their right mind would want to stay with this verminous company, if they didn't have to.
Usually from self rightous 'i know better than you' types
I will need to remember that when i go out into the 'real world'
I must be working in a Matrix hologram then
Just pointing out that the working practices in RM are stuck at 1978,I dont know if youve worked anywhere else in the last 5 years, but its how 90% of modern companies work.
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pieoftheday
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Re: Stay out and complete?
It might not be unusual but I think it is unreasonable to expect or force someone to work outside their normal hours if they dont want to, not sure what 2023 has to do with it. And yes I do realise that some peoples jobs dont allow for them to stop at 3pm and go home. Ours does(at the moment)2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 15:37You do all realise in the real world that overtime is compulsory in most companies if they require it, its not an unusual or unreasonable request in 2023.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 14:26They're almost there.Barnacle wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 13:54It’s as if they are purposefully ruining a job we all quite enjoyed, in order to make us leave.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 04:59Is it any wonder, most of us don't want to work for this massively shitty company anymore?
Nobody in their right mind would want to stay with this verminous company, if they didn't have to.
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2yearpostie
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Re: Stay out and complete?
I know at Toyota you get 30minutes notice of overtime and as you get paid salary theres no ot payment.pieoftheday wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 16:39It might not be unusual but I think it is unreasonable to expect or force someone to work outside their normal hours if they dont want to, not sure what 2023 has to do with it. And yes I do realise that some peoples jobs dont allow for them to stop at 3pm and go home. Ours does(at the moment)2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 15:37You do all realise in the real world that overtime is compulsory in most companies if they require it, its not an unusual or unreasonable request in 2023.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 14:26They're almost there.Barnacle wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 13:54It’s as if they are purposefully ruining a job we all quite enjoyed, in order to make us leave.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 04:59Is it any wonder, most of us don't want to work for this massively shitty company anymore?
Nobody in their right mind would want to stay with this verminous company, if they didn't have to.and yes I know some of you finish a bit later, before anyone has a dig
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scotchy1962
- EX ROYAL MAIL
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Re: Stay out and complete?
They must have a s**t union to allow the workforce to be treated that way. As far as i knew if it was compulsory overtime it also had to be guaranteed overtime so that it worked both ways, but then again what do i know.2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 17:14I know at Toyota you get 30minutes notice of overtime and as you get paid salary theres no ot payment.pieoftheday wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 16:39It might not be unusual but I think it is unreasonable to expect or force someone to work outside their normal hours if they dont want to, not sure what 2023 has to do with it. And yes I do realise that some peoples jobs dont allow for them to stop at 3pm and go home. Ours does(at the moment)2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 15:37You do all realise in the real world that overtime is compulsory in most companies if they require it, its not an unusual or unreasonable request in 2023.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 14:26They're almost there.Barnacle wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 13:54It’s as if they are purposefully ruining a job we all quite enjoyed, in order to make us leave.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 04:59Is it any wonder, most of us don't want to work for this massively shitty company anymore?
Nobody in their right mind would want to stay with this verminous company, if they didn't have to.and yes I know some of you finish a bit later, before anyone has a dig
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2yearpostie
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Re: Stay out and complete?
Not sure they have one, Anyway that was just info so everyone realises that the grass isnt always greener at another company.scotchy1962 wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 17:24They must have a s**t union to allow the workforce to be treated that way. As far as i knew if it was compulsory overtime it also had to be guaranteed overtime so that it worked both ways, but then again what do i know.2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 17:14I know at Toyota you get 30minutes notice of overtime and as you get paid salary theres no ot payment.pieoftheday wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 16:39It might not be unusual but I think it is unreasonable to expect or force someone to work outside their normal hours if they dont want to, not sure what 2023 has to do with it. And yes I do realise that some peoples jobs dont allow for them to stop at 3pm and go home. Ours does(at the moment)2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 15:37You do all realise in the real world that overtime is compulsory in most companies if they require it, its not an unusual or unreasonable request in 2023.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 14:26They're almost there.Barnacle wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 13:54It’s as if they are purposefully ruining a job we all quite enjoyed, in order to make us leave.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 04:59Is it any wonder, most of us don't want to work for this massively shitty company anymore?
Nobody in their right mind would want to stay with this verminous company, if they didn't have to.and yes I know some of you finish a bit later, before anyone has a dig
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mjd24
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Re: Stay out and complete?
How many different jobs have you had in the last 5 years? Must be quite a few to have come to your 90% of modern companies conclusion.2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 16:35%Hyrrokkin wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 16:30Ahhh the fabled 'real world' i have heard so much about2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 15:37You do all realise in the real world that overtime is compulsory in most companies if they require it, its not an unusual or unreasonable request in 2023.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 14:26They're almost there.Barnacle wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 13:54It’s as if they are purposefully ruining a job we all quite enjoyed, in order to make us leave.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 04:59Is it any wonder, most of us don't want to work for this massively shitty company anymore?
Nobody in their right mind would want to stay with this verminous company, if they didn't have to.
Usually from self rightous 'i know better than you' types
I will need to remember that when i go out into the 'real world'
I must be working in a Matrix hologram then
Just pointing out that the working practices in RM are stuck at 1978,I dont know if youve worked anywhere else in the last 5 years, but its how 90% of modern companies work.
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parforthewalk
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Re: Stay out and complete?
Maybe it's time for the employer to get real2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 15:37You do all realise in the real world that overtime is compulsory in most companies if they require it, its not an unusual or unreasonable request in 2023.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 14:26They're almost there.Barnacle wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 13:54It’s as if they are purposefully ruining a job we all quite enjoyed, in order to make us leave.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 04:59Is it any wonder, most of us don't want to work for this massively shitty company anymore?
Nobody in their right mind would want to stay with this verminous company, if they didn't have to.
Front line workers can easily revert to - quote, the Nike maxim of 'just say no'.
Remember the vast majority of businesses & companies have nothing if they don't have the staff/employees to support their vision
Stand strong & stand firm, colleagues
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Barnacle
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Re: Stay out and complete?
Agree 100%parforthewalk wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 19:18Maybe it's time for the employer to get real2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 15:37You do all realise in the real world that overtime is compulsory in most companies if they require it, its not an unusual or unreasonable request in 2023.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 14:26They're almost there.Barnacle wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 13:54It’s as if they are purposefully ruining a job we all quite enjoyed, in order to make us leave.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 04:59Is it any wonder, most of us don't want to work for this massively shitty company anymore?
Nobody in their right mind would want to stay with this verminous company, if they didn't have to.
Front line workers can easily revert to - quote, the Nike maxim of 'just say no'.
Remember the vast majority of businesses & companies have nothing if they don't have the staff/employees to support their vision![]()
Stand strong & stand firm, colleagues![]()
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Wolf91
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Re: Stay out and complete?
I’ve worked for 4 different companies in the last 12 years. It’s not how they work at all. Pretty much the opposite,2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 16:35%Hyrrokkin wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 16:30Ahhh the fabled 'real world' i have heard so much about2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 15:37You do all realise in the real world that overtime is compulsory in most companies if they require it, its not an unusual or unreasonable request in 2023.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 14:26They're almost there.Barnacle wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 13:54It’s as if they are purposefully ruining a job we all quite enjoyed, in order to make us leave.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 04:59Is it any wonder, most of us don't want to work for this massively shitty company anymore?
Nobody in their right mind would want to stay with this verminous company, if they didn't have to.
Usually from self rightous 'i know better than you' types
I will need to remember that when i go out into the 'real world'
I must be working in a Matrix hologram then
Just pointing out that the working practices in RM are stuck at 1978,I dont know if youve worked anywhere else in the last 5 years, but its how 90% of modern companies work.
by enlarge. I’ve been at RM over 5 years now, and have never seen or been with a company that treats its staff with such contempt.
The only thing old fashioned is Royal Mail’s attitude to its workforce. Almost Victorian, I would say. Quite old fashioned indeed.
Where have you been hiding recently 2year? Not seen you around here in a while.
There are other shills that are beating the Royal Mail propaganda drum in your absence though, don’t worry.
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wallan
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Re: Stay out and complete?
You may find in 1978 Pre Scheduled OT was compulsary ,2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 16:35%Hyrrokkin wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 16:30Ahhh the fabled 'real world' i have heard so much about2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 15:37You do all realise in the real world that overtime is compulsory in most companies if they require it, its not an unusual or unreasonable request in 2023.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 14:26They're almost there.Barnacle wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 13:54It’s as if they are purposefully ruining a job we all quite enjoyed, in order to make us leave.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 04:59Is it any wonder, most of us don't want to work for this massively shitty company anymore?
Nobody in their right mind would want to stay with this verminous company, if they didn't have to.
Usually from self rightous 'i know better than you' types
I will need to remember that when i go out into the 'real world'
I must be working in a Matrix hologram then
Just pointing out that the working practices in RM are stuck at 1978,I dont know if youve worked anywhere else in the last 5 years, but its how 90% of modern companies work.
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pieoftheday
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Re: Stay out and complete?
I vaguely recall some of the older blokes saying that when I started in the 80s, however it was a much easier job in delivery and a lot of people did 60/70 hour weekswallan wrote: ↑01 Feb 2023, 07:46You may find in 1978 Pre Scheduled OT was compulsary ,2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 16:35%Hyrrokkin wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 16:30Ahhh the fabled 'real world' i have heard so much about2yearpostie wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 15:37You do all realise in the real world that overtime is compulsory in most companies if they require it, its not an unusual or unreasonable request in 2023.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 14:26They're almost there.Barnacle wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 13:54It’s as if they are purposefully ruining a job we all quite enjoyed, in order to make us leave.DirtyHarry wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 04:59Is it any wonder, most of us don't want to work for this massively shitty company anymore?
Nobody in their right mind would want to stay with this verminous company, if they didn't have to.
Usually from self rightous 'i know better than you' types
I will need to remember that when i go out into the 'real world'
I must be working in a Matrix hologram then
Just pointing out that the working practices in RM are stuck at 1978,I dont know if youve worked anywhere else in the last 5 years, but its how 90% of modern companies work.
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SpacePhoenix
- MAIL CENTRES/PROCESSING
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Re: Stay out and complete?
It probably was virtually all letters back then. Parcels probably only become a larger chunk of the workload when firms started opening shops onlinepieoftheday wrote: ↑01 Feb 2023, 08:00
I vaguely recall some of the older blokes saying that when I started in the 80s, however it was a much easier job in delivery and a lot of people did 60/70 hour weeks![]()