1000 redundancies

[Barnacle]

You can still take half your break at the end of shift just not the whole break.

You'll need to physically be in the office to scan out at your official finish time when pay gets linked to SISO otherwise you're going to loose half however long the break last in pay

You wont. It is literally built into the offices work plan and accounted for if thats the arrangement.

If they could do that with SISO, it’s a pity they didn’t add that time allowance into RoN. Instead the route is timed as if an android is doing it, who needs no breaks and will not encounter other road users.

[CarryingMGMT]

We`ve had a lot of new starters recently, and amazingly, they`ve all lasted. Looks like we might actually be able to use the holiday days we`ve been unable to book.

I know it sounds absurd, but you can actually book holidays without having to worry about your place of work or managers staffing issues. (They get paid 50K plus bonuses remember )

It's the law in this country, although you wouldn't think it working in delivery for RM.

These sort of benefits will be gone soon enough and the 'amazonification' will be complete for these pencil pushers up top.

[R5001]

You can still take half your break at the end of shift just not the whole break.

You'll need to physically be in the office to scan out at your official finish time when pay gets linked to SISO otherwise you're going to loose half however long the break last in pay

You wont. It is literally built into the offices work plan and accounted for if thats the arrangement.

If they could do that with SISO, it’s a pity they didn’t add that time allowance into RoN. Instead the route is timed as if an android is doing it, who needs no breaks and will not encounter other road users.

Not quite what you intend I'm sure, but you can just change your estimated leaving time 20 minutes later (Or whatever is appropriate), you'll be ahead until you take break, then you'll be on time. as much as I hate RM for a lot of things, this one isn't so easy to perfect. Guess we could have a "plan break" button to choose where it is in your time estimates and it'd just take a parcel spot and be a big red "TAKE BREAK" line? don't think that'd be toooo hard.

swift edit: But also, unpaid breaks for the newbies. So why take one unless you're utterly f****d?

[Barnacle]

You can still take half your break at the end of shift just not the whole break.

You'll need to physically be in the office to scan out at your official finish time when pay gets linked to SISO otherwise you're going to loose half however long the break last in pay

You wont. It is literally built into the offices work plan and accounted for if thats the arrangement.

If they could do that with SISO, it’s a pity they didn’t add that time allowance into RoN. Instead the route is timed as if an android is doing it, who needs no breaks and will not encounter other road users.

Not quite what you intend I'm sure, but you can just change your estimated leaving time 20 minutes later (Or whatever is appropriate), you'll be ahead until you take break, then you'll be on time. as much as I hate RM for a lot of things, this one isn't so easy to perfect. Guess we could have a "plan break" button to choose where it is in your time estimates and it'd just take a parcel spot and be a big red "TAKE BREAK" line? don't think that'd be toooo hard.

swift edit: But also, unpaid breaks for the newbies. So why take one unless you're utterly f****d?

You can’t make it work like that: by simply adding 20mins to your leaving time, because the whole timing is out. It will calculate that the route will take 4 hours, but that’s only if there are no other road users and you don’t have to circle three times to try and get near somewhere on a one way system, so the actual time the route will take is closer to 5 & a half hours.
So the whole thing needs to be adjusted for humans existing in the real traffic world.

[kazardaimenu]

If you and your walk partner both want your break at different times and both want to take it back at the delivery office can you just bring more mail back at the end of the shift?

[ted_e_bear]

If you and your walk partner both want your break at different times and both want to take it back at the delivery office can you just bring more mail back at the end of the shift?

No I'm pretty certain your employer can stipulate when you have to take your break, if you tried that approach I'd guess they'd insist you take it before you go out on delivery.

[Smoothbackground]

You can still take half your break at the end of shift just not the whole break.

You'll need to physically be in the office to scan out at your official finish time when pay gets linked to SISO otherwise you're going to loose half however long the break last in pay

You wont. It is literally built into the offices work plan and accounted for if thats the arrangement.

If they could do that with SISO, it’s a pity they didn’t add that time allowance into RoN. Instead the route is timed as if an android is doing it, who needs no breaks and will not encounter other road users.

Not quite what you intend I'm sure, but you can just change your estimated leaving time 20 minutes later (Or whatever is appropriate), you'll be ahead until you take break, then you'll be on time. as much as I hate RM for a lot of things, this one isn't so easy to perfect. Guess we could have a "plan break" button to choose where it is in your time estimates and it'd just take a parcel spot and be a big red "TAKE BREAK" line? don't think that'd be toooo hard.

swift edit: But also, unpaid breaks for the newbies. So why take one unless you're utterly f****d?

You can’t make it work like that: by simply adding 20mins to your leaving time, because the whole timing is out. It will calculate that the route will take 4 hours, but that’s only if there are no other road users and you don’t have to circle three times to try and get near somewhere on a one way system, so the actual time the route will take is closer to 5 & a half hours.
So the whole thing needs to be adjusted for humans existing in the real traffic world.

It’s far from perfect. When I worked in London offices RoN was impossible to keep pace with — the route would take at least 90 minutes longer than RoN predicted and you would be “behind schedule”. Where I work now (a DO somewhere in the South East) it is the opposite: it is always possible to be ahead of schedule, “beating” the RoN route duration by upwards of an hour or more on a dense route.

[Smoothbackground]

You can still take half your break at the end of shift just not the whole break.

You'll need to physically be in the office to scan out at your official finish time when pay gets linked to SISO otherwise you're going to loose half however long the break last in pay

You wont. It is literally built into the offices work plan and accounted for if thats the arrangement.

If they could do that with SISO, it’s a pity they didn’t add that time allowance into RoN. Instead the route is timed as if an android is doing it, who needs no breaks and will not encounter other road users.

Not quite what you intend I'm sure, but you can just change your estimated leaving time 20 minutes later (Or whatever is appropriate), you'll be ahead until you take break, then you'll be on time. as much as I hate RM for a lot of things, this one isn't so easy to perfect. Guess we could have a "plan break" button to choose where it is in your time estimates and it'd just take a parcel spot and be a big red "TAKE BREAK" line? don't think that'd be toooo hard.

swift edit: But also, unpaid breaks for the newbies. So why take one unless you're utterly f****d?

Unfortunately newbies (of which I’m one) are required to be present for 8hr 40 mins - 8 hours of working, 40 minutes as an enforced unpaid break. I’d rather forget about my break and just leave after eight hours but sadly it’s not an option.

[R5001]

Not quite what you intend I'm sure, but you can just change your estimated leaving time 20 minutes later (Or whatever is appropriate), you'll be ahead until you take break, then you'll be on time. as much as I hate RM for a lot of things, this one isn't so easy to perfect. Guess we could have a "plan break" button to choose where it is in your time estimates and it'd just take a parcel spot and be a big red "TAKE BREAK" line? don't think that'd be toooo hard.

swift edit: But also, unpaid breaks for the newbies. So why take one unless you're utterly f****d?

Unfortunately newbies (of which I’m one) are required to be present for 8hr 40 mins - 8 hours of working, 40 minutes as an enforced unpaid break. I’d rather forget about my break and just leave after eight hours but sadly it’s not an option.

That might be a bit of local insanity then. At least for now, our newbies have just gone home after their contracted hours are done. If they take the break, their hours are extended the same amount, I.E 30 min break, 6 hours work and 6hrs30 on the clock.

It is really stupid imo. It sucks for the newbies in the present and in the long run, it's just going to mean the new contracts are prioritised for overtime, they simply cost less. which will mean us legacy contracts slowly go "f**k this I'm out" etc blah blah. I'm sure most understand the idea by now, but the 2 tier shite is terrible for everyone.

On the funnier side, it hasn't taken many of them too long to realise they get f**k all for overachieving, so they all drag their feet and chill where possible. If it's possible to do x in 5 hours but RON says 6, it'll take them 6.15, 95% of the time.

[Barnacle]

Not quite what you intend I'm sure, but you can just change your estimated leaving time 20 minutes later (Or whatever is appropriate), you'll be ahead until you take break, then you'll be on time. as much as I hate RM for a lot of things, this one isn't so easy to perfect. Guess we could have a "plan break" button to choose where it is in your time estimates and it'd just take a parcel spot and be a big red "TAKE BREAK" line? don't think that'd be toooo hard.

swift edit: But also, unpaid breaks for the newbies. So why take one unless you're utterly f****d?

Unfortunately newbies (of which I’m one) are required to be present for 8hr 40 mins - 8 hours of working, 40 minutes as an enforced unpaid break. I’d rather forget about my break and just leave after eight hours but sadly it’s not an option.

That might be a bit of local insanity then. At least for now, our newbies have just gone home after their contracted hours are done. If they take the break, their hours are extended the same amount, I.E 30 min break, 6 hours work and 6hrs30 on the clock.

It is really stupid imo. It sucks for the newbies in the present and in the long run, it's just going to mean the new contracts are prioritised for overtime, they simply cost less. which will mean us legacy contracts slowly go "f**k this I'm out" etc blah blah. I'm sure most understand the idea by now, but the 2 tier shite is terrible for everyone.

On the funnier side, it hasn't taken many of them too long to realise they get f**k all for overachieving, so they all drag their feet and chill where possible. If it's possible to do x in 5 hours but RON says 6, it'll take them 6.15, 95% of the time.

It doesn’t pay to be efficient at RM.

[R5001]

You can’t make it work like that: by simply adding 20mins to your leaving time, because the whole timing is out. It will calculate that the route will take 4 hours, but that’s only if there are no other road users and you don’t have to circle three times to try and get near somewhere on a one way system, so the actual time the route will take is closer to 5 & a half hours.
So the whole thing needs to be adjusted for humans existing in the real traffic world.

no, it works like that. I've tested it myself by pushing it back 15 mins so I can have a coffee and a piss. The traffic part is not live, it's historic. You might see it mention this when you start navigation form time to time, that "Traffic server" is unavailable. so it honestly has absolutely NO idea what is going on.

with unknown 1 way systems you may be more correct though. but I can be sure traffic isn't really calculated.

even with historic averages, RON still seems to be a year out of date right now, long established (12+months) estates are still not mapped and you get instructions to park in a field half a mile away and walk.

[Smoothbackground]

Not quite what you intend I'm sure, but you can just change your estimated leaving time 20 minutes later (Or whatever is appropriate), you'll be ahead until you take break, then you'll be on time. as much as I hate RM for a lot of things, this one isn't so easy to perfect. Guess we could have a "plan break" button to choose where it is in your time estimates and it'd just take a parcel spot and be a big red "TAKE BREAK" line? don't think that'd be toooo hard.

swift edit: But also, unpaid breaks for the newbies. So why take one unless you're utterly f****d?

Unfortunately newbies (of which I’m one) are required to be present for 8hr 40 mins - 8 hours of working, 40 minutes as an enforced unpaid break. I’d rather forget about my break and just leave after eight hours but sadly it’s not an option.

That might be a bit of local insanity then. At least for now, our newbies have just gone home after their contracted hours are done. If they take the break, their hours are extended the same amount, I.E 30 min break, 6 hours work and 6hrs30 on the clock.

It is really stupid imo. It sucks for the newbies in the present and in the long run, it's just going to mean the new contracts are prioritised for overtime, they simply cost less. which will mean us legacy contracts slowly go "f**k this I'm out" etc blah blah. I'm sure most understand the idea by now, but the 2 tier shite is terrible for everyone.

On the funnier side, it hasn't taken many of them too long to realise they get f**k all for overachieving, so they all drag their feet and chill where possible. If it's possible to do x in 5 hours but RON says 6, it'll take them 6.15, 95% of the time.

Definitely lots of making it up as they go along across the piste!

And yes, agreed, the two-tier workforce is no good for morale either. We have a great many excellent longstanding staff at our place who must be retained as management really couldn’t do it without them — the right “skill mix” is vital.

[SpacePhoenix]

You can still take half your break at the end of shift just not the whole break.

You'll need to physically be in the office to scan out at your official finish time when pay gets linked to SISO otherwise you're going to loose half however long the break last in pay

The dashboard for siso has a meal break toggle, it's accounted for.

He's been told that multiple times now but keeps on quoting the same thing over and over again.

When SISO is linked to pay, it'll be simply based on what time you scan in at and what time you scan out at. The system won't care when breaks were taken at

[R5001]

You can still take half your break at the end of shift just not the whole break.

You'll need to physically be in the office to scan out at your official finish time when pay gets linked to SISO otherwise you're going to loose half however long the break last in pay

The dashboard for siso has a meal break toggle, it's accounted for.

He's been told that multiple times now but keeps on quoting the same thing over and over again.

When SISO is linked to pay, it'll be simply based on what time you scan in at and what time you scan out at. The system won't care when breaks were taken at

You might not be wrong, but you also might not be right. As it stands, SISO has provision for meal breaks "post-shift", and until it's communicated otherwise, I wouldn't worry about it unduly.

[Barnacle]

You can still take half your break at the end of shift just not the whole break.

You'll need to physically be in the office to scan out at your official finish time when pay gets linked to SISO otherwise you're going to loose half however long the break last in pay

The dashboard for siso has a meal break toggle, it's accounted for.

He's been told that multiple times now but keeps on quoting the same thing over and over again.

When SISO is linked to pay, it'll be simply based on what time you scan in at and what time you scan out at. The system won't care when breaks were taken at

You might not be wrong, but you also might not be right. As it stands, SISO has provision for meal breaks "post-shift", and until it's communicated otherwise, I wouldn't worry about it unduly.

It will likely be yet another item that should be across the board, but will actually be subject to local variations. There are four offices in my area of interest and each are enforcing or not enforcing this and that to suit themselves.